Hi Lee, and List , first I was in a hurry when I sent out my last letter on White and got side tracted whith White and Smith and don't know why I listed Elizabeth Smith with the White family. As for Hugh Harrel I have him listed in my deed books for Frederick CO VA and I have 7 of them for 1743-1789 and will abtracts for Frederick CO VA 1745 -1780s that I copied from my local library. We have months to work on all of these families so I will see what I can chart on Herell/Harold since I find them in Rowan CO NC 1760s and if I remmember right for Randolph CO NC 1790. I also have /Herrell / Hearld in Russell CO VA 1790 where the Copes' lived and in Breathitt CO KY where my Copes' lived. David