Hi Wilmer, I don't have any references at home, would have to find a libr with them. Since it is not my line, nor close to it, I would not have put it in my database. Forgot to mention Cecil O'Dell's book, a cousin on the WARTH line has it, $50 or so, and she sent me a couple of pages with my/our family info. Others have mentioned this reference. If you are interested enough in my relationship to CARTMELL, I could look that up for you. Joyce Franke > I haven't had time to look, but I'm sure that I've seen Nathaniel Cartmell's > name on numerous occasions. If you haven't yet found it, I will look for and > cite the reference. > > >CARTMELL is a name in my family, but I don't have your Nathan in my PAF > >database. I wonder if you have checked other VA resources, like CARTMELL's > >book? And Wayland's book? There are errors, but they tell me everything has > >errors.