Found the following posting: Does anyone recognize this Marry E. Robinson, w/o J L [Robinson]? This stuck out as a possible relation to my Joseph L. Robinson, brother of RICHARD J. Robinson whose son, John W. Robinson was b. 1843, Harrison Co., VA (WV). >From "HARRISON COUNTY, WEST VIRGINIA, DEATH RECORDS 1853-1903": (1864) ROBINSON, Mary E 33y b MD d/o E & E WATTERS; wf/o J L d 12 May Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Listers, I have some new if to share and research on my Robinson line. I have just received the Civil War Military record of my, gg-father John W. Robinson, stating that he was born in Harrison Co., VA. John W. was born Jan. 28, 1843. His parents were Richard J. Robinson, b. abt 1812, VA and Rebecca Hook, b. abt 1820, VA. They may have married in Harrison or moved to Harrison Co. from Hampshire Co. sometime prior to the birth of John W., and, I suppose they could have been traveling with Hook relatives also. Richard Js father may have been John T. Robinson, b. 1780, VA, and he may have been traveling with them also. Richard also reportedly had at least one brother, Charles L. Robinson. I am not sure how long the family stayed in this area, but they moved to Noble County, Ohio abt 1854. I have a growing history of the family in Ohio. I have reason to believe that John T. Robinson passed away prior to this move to Ohio, so he may be burried in Harrison (possibly with unknown wife). Also know nothing more of Charles L. Robinsons family, but a history has him in Ohio later. I am looking for any Robinson/Hook relations or any info on this family or sources to search. I also have lots to share. Please get in touch. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Linda, our prayers are with you and Christopher. I am also forwarding this to all my other lists. Heavenly Father, we come to you today to ask for your intervention in this young life. Please breathe your healing breath into Christopher and guide the doctors, giving them the insight and wisdom to help him. We humbly pray, Amen Robert Palmdale, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Acord To: appalachian family ; Carol & Bill Wolfe ; Joe Morrison ; Joyce ; Stella Cagle ; Tressa Myers Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 2:56 AM Subject: [appalachianfamily] Fw: Prayers Linda Acord ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Acord" <lincor58@hotmail.com> To: <lincord@msn.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: Prayers > Hello to all, > I am writing to ask that you send up prayers for my 7 month old grandson Christopher Hilbert. He was taken to Childrens Hospital on Friday to check out a swelling near his eye. They did a MRI and found a large tumor. The tumor extends from the back of his eye to the back of his brain. He was taken to surgery today (Sat.) for a biopsy. They also did a spinal tap, placed a catheter in his cartiod artery thru his heart to give him his meds and to do blood draws, they took bone marrow samples from both of his legs, they put in a gastric feeding tube for feedings. He only weighs 10 pounds at this time. He has been diagnosed with a rare fast spreading cancer called ocular rhabdomyosarcoma. Due to the size of the tumor the doctors said that it is inoperable at this time. They are starting Christopher on chemotherapy and radiation on Tuesday. They hope to shrink the tumor so they can operate and remove as much of it as it as possible. I know that prayer can bring about miracles!!!!! I am also asking that you send this email on to everyone that you know so that we can get a prayer network going for Christopher. I will keep you all informed as to his condition. Thank you all so much!!!!! > > Linda Acord > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: appalachianfamily-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 5/19/2003

Listers, I have located all pages for my family Surnames from an index that was forwarded to my for the history book: History of Noble County, Ohio, 1854-1886. The Surnames that I am familiar with in this area are: ROBINSON DILLEY/DILLE TEENER HOOK I have quit a few Robinsons listed, again, ONLY from Noble Co., Ohio, in the Civil War Regiments. I did not find any of my other surnames. My gg-father was John W. Robinson, Cmp. E, 88th OVI. John Ws father was Richard J. Robinson. John also had an uncle (probably older brother of Richard J.): JOSEPH L. Robinson. I do not have any other info on the family of Joseph or other possible siblings. It is my hope, that by sharing the sharing the information I have, I might be able to identify a relation and share additional info on the family. Please contact me if you have any ROBINSON relatives from NOBLE Co., OHIO that you believe may have fought in the Civil War. Also, I will share any info that I have copied from the book on the above surnames. John W. also had four sisters which I would like to trace if they married. None of them were directly listed in the history. These sisters again were: Theopois (born VA), Frances, Margaret, and Ellen all born OH. I have listed this info before but will be happy to share it again. Please contact me to share info or obtain more info. Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Listers, Looking for any info on the following Robinson and Hook lines: John T. Robinson, b. 1780, VA, father of Richard J. Robinson, b. 1812, Hampshire Co., VA (now WV), d. Sept. 2, 1886, Sarahsville, Noble Co., Ohio. Also, father of Joseph L. Robinson, no info but probably a couple of years older than Richard. Richard J. Robinson m. Nancy Hook (daughter of Thomas Hook), b. May 11, 1820 in Hampshire Co., WV, d. July 10, 1894, Sharahsville, Noble Co., Ohio. Richard J. and Nancy had four children John W. Robinson, b. Jan. 28, 1843, Hampshire Co., WV, Theopolis also born in Hampshire Co., WV, and Frances, Margaret, and Ellen all born in Sarahsville, Noble Co., WV after the family moved from Hampshire Co., WV in 1854. Interested in any info on these Robinson and Hook lines, also, parents or wife of John T. Robinson and any info on marriages and what became daughters of John W. Robinson. Thanks, Chris _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I am looking to connect my Elizabeth Highly/Highley with her proper parents and ancestors. Elizabeth was born in VA in 1816 and she married William Dillon in 1843 in Monroe County, Ohio. In the 1820 census for Frederick County VA on page 28 is shown John Highly. He could be the father of my Elizabeth. Does anyone have information on this family or my Elizabeth? Thank you for your help. Perry Adams San Carlos,California

Rinnah, Sorry, I am not familiar with this Robinson line and have not done any will research in this area. You might be able to request this document from Noble Co. Probate Court. My gg-father was John W. Robinson, b. 1843, Hampshire Co., VA. He moved to Sarahsville, Noble Co., Ohio abt 1854 with his father Richard J. Robinson, b. 1812, VA. Also sister Theopolis, b. abt 1841, VA. Other siblings were later born in Ohio: Frances, b. abt 1847, Margaret, b. abt 1849, and Ellen b. abt 1857. I have a growing history on John W., but nothing yet on his sisters. Their mother was Nancy Hook, b . abt 1812?, VA, but curiously, she is not found in the the 1860 and 1870 census of the family (may have been off visiting family back home). She is found in the 1880 Census with husband, Richard, and daughter, Frances, and I believe is buried with Richard J. in Old Sarahsville Cemetery. Richard had a brother, Joseph L. Robinson, who also moved to Ohio from VA. Their father was probably John T. Robinson, b. 1770, VA. This is abt all the info I have so far. Don't know of Joseph L's children or when he move to Ohio, but my Robinson line that I am familiar with probably do not appear in Noble Co., Ohio until abt 1854. Do you know when your Elizabet was born? Married? What twp was she from? Who were her parents? Below is the researcher I metioned. Believe his fee for Pension files is abt $15, but not sure if this is for complete file. This would be cheaper than NARA and probably much faster. If a Pension file exists for your John Ogle it may include the the parents of wife, Elizabeth Robinson, please let me know what you find. Also, go to Genweb site: www.genweb.com ? click through state, then Noble Co. This site lists local volunteer sources and one of these has book for Cemetery records if you want to locate your Elizabeth. NathJ@aol.com Norman Peters P.O. Box 21117 Washington DC 20009 USA Good luck, Chris >From: "Dale and Rinnah" <dburns60@neo.rr.com> >To: <pangeaao@hotmail.com> >Subject: Elizabeth Robinson >Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:53:07 -0400 > >Hello Chris, > >Thank you for the information. Oliver's father Francis died November 1877. >Francis had a will drawn up on March 7, 1877. His will is in Book II page >81 of the Noble County Will Index. How could I get a copy of this? > >Also, my husband's 3rd Great-grandparents were John Ogle b. March 3, 1818 >and he married Elizabeth Robinson. > Their son was John Sylvester Ogle who married Adeline "Addie" Josephine >Sanford and Adeline's father was Oliver P. Sanford. `> >Do you know of this Elizabeth Robinson of Noble County who married John >Ogle? I am very interested in the Robinson Family of Noble County. > >I would be interested in the e-mail of the researcher-- you want to send >me. > >Thank you, >Rinnah Burns >dburns60@neo.rr.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

The two copies of an earlier version of my book "Historical Records of Old Frederick and Hampshire Counties, Virginia" were sold immediately. Twenty-some people requested a copy. Several requested information on what surnames are in the book, which leads me to provide this URL for a complete index: http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Ewvmorgan/kerns/openpage.htm The ordering information on that page is obsolete. You may order directly from me. My updated email address is wkerns4@comcast.net. Please respond to me privately if your have further questions. Wilmer L. Kerns 4715 North 38th Place Arlington, VA 22207-2914 It appears that some of the genealogy publishing companies are consolidating or going out of business. I tried to order a book from Iberian Publishing Co. in Athens, GA, but just learned from their website that they are no longer in business. I have also discovered that Heritage Books, Inc. in Bowie, MD has been sold to Craig R. Scott of Westminster, MD, who is the owner of Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications. The following URL shows him as "President and CEO of Heritage Books." This is definitely the company that I would want to publish my next book. http://willowbend.net/aboutus.asp Wilmer L. Kerns

Mabel, Look forward to hearing from you and hope there is a relation. Just a little more info: I believe the father of my ggg-father, Richard J Robinson was John T. Robinson, b. abt 1780, VA. Also, believe Richard had at least one brother Joseph L. Robinson, b. VA? and moved to Middleburg , Ohio prbably abt. same time as Richard (1854). Also forgot one of Richard J's daughters: Thepolis,b. abt 1841 VA. Again, John W. was also, born in Hampshire, Co., VA (now WV) in 1843. The other sisters: Frances, Margaret and Ellen were all born in Ohio. Don't know where Warren Co. is in relation to Hampshire Co., but Hampshire in near Winchester, VA (Frederick Co.). Thanks again, Chris >From: w.meetre@att.net >To: "Christopher Robinson" <pangeaao@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [ROBINSON] Re: James William Robinson (4-29-1915 to 3-17-1977) >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:10:25 +0000 > >Hi Chris, > >I am not sure if there is any relation or not. So far I have not come >across >any of the names you listed but Warren County (Front Royal,VA) is so close >to >WV it is possible. And with my name I know it was a family name andall the >research we (my sister&I have)everyone stuck with the same names. She has >the >paperwork but i will check to see if any of the names are on there. I will >be >in touch. Thank you so much > >God Bless, >Mabel > > My father is James W. Robinson, b. Louisville, KY 1928 and still living. > > His father was John Dilley Robinson, b. Indianapolois, abt. 1871, d. > > Louisville, KY abt. 1931. John Dilley had three siblings that survuved >to > > adulthood: brother Charles L. and sisters Madge and Mabel. Their >father, my > > gg-father, was John W. Robinson, b. Hampshire Co., VA (now WV) Jan. 28, > > 1843, married, Olive B. Dilley, b. Center Twp, Guernsey Co. (now Noble >Co.), > > Ohio. They were married on Dec. 24, 1867. John W's parents were >Richard J. > > Robinson, b. Hampshire, Co., VA (now WV) and Nancy Hook (daughter of >Thomas > > Hook), b. abt 1812?, Hampshire Co., VA (now WV). Richard and Nancy and >John > > W. moved to Sarahsville, Noble Co., Ohio in 1854. They had other >children, > > all daughters on which I have no further info, besides names and ages at > > cenuses: Frances, Margaret, Ellen and ?. > > > > Let me know if you have any relation to this family. It may just be a > > > coincidence, but your name is the same as my fathers aunt, Mabel. > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > > > > >From: w.meetre@att.net > > >To: ROBINSON-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [ROBINSON] Re: James William Robinson (4-29-1915 to 3-17-1977) > > >Date: 14 May 2003 17:12:45 -0600 > > > > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > > >Classification: Query > > > > > >Message Board URL: > > > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3cDBAIB/6395.1 > > > > > >Message Board Post: > > > > > >Where are your ROBINSON family from? I have a couple JAMES W. ROBINSON >from > > >Virginia > > > > > >Thank you, > > >Mabel Robinson > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

In a message dated 5/13/03 9:02:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: To answer the request re "should I get the pension file" for my Civil War Ancestor? Yes, you should and then you get the military file and any other files you can in the process. One of my mother's great uncles was in the Civil War. He was supposed to have been a prisoner at Andersonville. He also had a strange middle name which was only initials and no one seemed to know what the two initials stood for. Okay, I ordered his pension file. He wasn't at Andersonville but he was a prisoner of war in a camp in Tennessee. He was at the Battle of Vicksburg in an Illinois Regiment. The pension file gave me a lot of information. However, I also ordered the military file. That one did tell me some things I hadn't found on the pension file, but it gave me a wonderful gift. It gave me his full name. With that information, I was able to find where the family had lived in Kentucky. I had been looking for them for seven years. Their name was so common that it appeared in almost every single county in Kentucky and I had long since given up hope of ever finding them or where they came from in Virginia. With the information I had, I not only found the county in Kentucky, found the marriage of my second great-grandparents, and the exact county where her (my 2nd great grandmother's mother was born in Virginia and later, the exact county where her father was born in Maryland.) A few years later, with more information, I found where my 2nd greatfather was born in Virginia and was able to find his parents and grandparents. All of this because of a clue on a military file. Yes, you should order both. Annie > Tue, 13 May 2003 19:30:48 -0400 > From: "Christopher Robinson" <pangeaao@hotmail.com> > To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <Law8-F41NhskstDAFQS00016446@hotmail.com> > Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] RE: National Archives Records > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Listers, > > I recently received Forms 85 and 86 to request Military and Pension records > from the National Archives. Also, some form of land record associated with > the military records. I was very excited to identify my gg-father's Civil > War regiment, but am a little discouraged by the price of ordering this > info. I would like to accumulate as much info as available, but I am not > sure what info is in these records. Is anyone familiar with these > documents > and the ordering process. Should I order both the Pension and Military > records, or is this info redundant? What kind of info is in these Civil > War > records? Do I need to order the complete pension file at abt. $37 or is > the > general pension info sufficient at abt. $18? Also, what are these land > records? > > Thanks, > Christopher L. Robinson > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >

My father is James W. Robinson, b. Louisville, KY 1928 and still living. His father was John Dilley Robinson, b. Indianapolois, abt. 1871, d. Louisville, KY abt. 1931. John Dilley had three siblings that survuved to adulthood: brother Charles L. and sisters Madge and Mabel. Their father, my gg-father, was John W. Robinson, b. Hampshire Co., VA (now WV) Jan. 28, 1843, married, Olive B. Dilley, b. Center Twp, Guernsey Co. (now Noble Co.), Ohio. They were married on Dec. 24, 1867. John W's parents were Richard J. Robinson, b. Hampshire, Co., VA (now WV) and Nancy Hook (daughter of Thomas Hook), b. abt 1812?, Hampshire Co., VA (now WV). Richard and Nancy and John W. moved to Sarahsville, Noble Co., Ohio in 1854. They had other children, all daughters on which I have no further info, besides names and ages at cenuses: Frances, Margaret, Ellen and ?. Let me know if you have any relation to this family. It may just be a coincidence, but your name is the same as my fathers aunt, Mabel. Thanks, Chris >From: w.meetre@att.net >To: ROBINSON-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [ROBINSON] Re: James William Robinson (4-29-1915 to 3-17-1977) >Date: 14 May 2003 17:12:45 -0600 > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3cDBAIB/6395.1 > >Message Board Post: > >Where are your ROBINSON family from? I have a couple JAMES W. ROBINSON from >Virginia > >Thank you, >Mabel Robinson > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Listers, I have sent for both the military and pension records. There is a world of information in them, and the cost is insignificant considering the amount of history you will learn. Here are some things to keep in mind when ordering your records. This is quoted from the book "Tracing Your Civil War Ancestor" by Bertram Hawthorne Groene: "What may not be quite so clear to the beginning researcher is that the record of a man's military service in any one organization is wholly separate from the record of his service in any other organization. This means that if your ancestor joined the Sixteenth New York and later transferred to the Twenty-eighth, your NATF Form request will get you his service in only the one unit you requested, the Sixteenth New York. It will take another NATF form set to get his service record with the Twenty-eighth New York. You will be billed for each form answered." "If you have reason to believe from the rank and position of responsibility of your soldier that there may be more than ten pages, the best approach is to write across the top of your NATF form, "Send All Military Records." "This is not the end of the use of NATF Form 80. If you either suspect, or the pension or military records show, that your soldier was sick, wounded, or disabled in any way, reach for yet another NATF Form, fill it out, and write across the top, "Please Send Complete Medical Records." You must do this because, as in the case of court-martial records, medical records are not included in the military records, and researchers in the archives will not tell you that they exist unless you specifically request them." This book is a small paperback and was VERY helpful to me, and packed full of information. Anyone interested in finding their Civil War Ancestors this is a MUST read book for you. I hope this was of some help to ALL. EM -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Robinson <pangeaao@hotmail.com> To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] RE: National Archives Records >Listers, > >I recently received Forms 85 and 86 to request Military and Pension records >from the National Archives. Also, some form of land record associated with >the military records. I was very excited to identify my gg-father's Civil >War regiment, but am a little discouraged by the price of ordering this >info. I would like to accumulate as much info as available, but I am not >sure what info is in these records. Is anyone familiar with these documents >and the ordering process. Should I order both the Pension and Military >records, or is this info redundant? What kind of info is in these Civil War >records? Do I need to order the complete pension file at abt. $37 or is the >general pension info sufficient at abt. $18? Also, what are these land >records? > >Thanks, >Christopher L. Robinson > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >

Listers, I recently received Forms 85 and 86 to request Military and Pension records from the National Archives. Also, some form of land record associated with the military records. I was very excited to identify my gg-father's Civil War regiment, but am a little discouraged by the price of ordering this info. I would like to accumulate as much info as available, but I am not sure what info is in these records. Is anyone familiar with these documents and the ordering process. Should I order both the Pension and Military records, or is this info redundant? What kind of info is in these Civil War records? Do I need to order the complete pension file at abt. $37 or is the general pension info sufficient at abt. $18? Also, what are these land records? Thanks, Christopher L. Robinson _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I have two copies of "Historical Records of Old Frederick and Hampshire Counties, Virginia" that I will sell for less than half price of the current version. This was the 1991 printing, which was later revised. If you are researching the Stump family, don't buy this version. The book is 350 pages, softcover, published by Heritage Books in Maryland. The first two people who contact me will get the book for $20 postpaid ($16.50 + 3.50 shipping). The current version from the publisher is $37 + $3 shipping = $40. Please respond to me privately at wkerns4@comcast.net Wilmer L. Kerns

No problem, Mike. And your right. The Message Boards are for research purposes only. This is the last posting I will make regarding the CBS issue. Please accept my apologies for stepping up and speaking out.............. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Benson To: WVHAMPSH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [WVHAMPSH-L] CBS announcement of August 2002 - New Show Plans Would you please stop posting this to the genealogy boards. It is wasting bandwidth and storage space. Thank you. Regards, Mike Benson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have just located the email address of the Head Cheese at CBS, Leslie Monves You can send him your comments (and please do so) at: leslie.moonves@tvc.cbs.com You can also send email to CBS Audience Services at : audsvcs@cbs.com Also, I did a search and found these other related links concerning this issue. I know we probably have better things to do and some would accuse me of not having a life, but stepping up is what it's about. http://miller.senate.gov/speeches/022503-CBS-Hillbilly.html http://www.ruralstrategies.org/index.html http://www.geeklife.com/article.aspx?articleid=536&CommentCount=45 http://www.tvguidelive.com/newsgossip-archives/02-aug/08-29-02.html http://after-words.org/mr/mtarchives/2002/08/Aug281152.shtml http://leadershipforchange.org/program/press/docs/OpEd-Roll.php http://www.conservativemonitor.com/opinion03/33.shtml http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=116650 http://www.recorder.ca/cp/Entertainment/030306/e030603A.html http://www.wpni.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A9235-2002Aug28 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2801179.stm --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Read the announcement posted by CBS back in August 2002 http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?27826 There was also another article written by Duncan Campbell, Investigative Jouranlist and TV Producer for The Guardian, a UK based outfit. This story is at http://media.guardian.co.uk/realitytv/story/0,7521,893924,00.html I think I opened up a can of worms. Thanks for the support everyone. I am going to run with this until I hear that CBS has squashed any and all ideas of such a spectacle. Robert M Brady Palmdale, CA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

To All Appalachians (past & present), Please accept my apologies for using the List as a soapbox for bringing the "CBS Reality TV" issue to you in this method. I know the List was not intended for exercising our Freedom of Speech Rights, but I felt this was the quickest way to inform others that cared about the stereotyping of our ancestors, past and present. And thanks to all of you who responded. I received over a hundred emails yesterday regarding this issue and 99.9% of you felt exactly the same disgust at CBS's outrageous plans. (The other .01% just complained about my complaining) BTW - Does anyone have any THRASH / THRUSH connections to the Hampshire / Mineral County areas? My dad and I are extensively researching this lineage and are trying to establish with certainty the parentage of John Thrash / Thrush (b. abt 1768 in PA) who married Margaret Miller (from Philadelphia) then migrated to WV (in 1807) thru VA (Rockingham County?). We have raised some issues concerning the timeline of some reported lineages located at other sources and websites. For more info, go to: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bradytrilogy/download/Thrash-Origins.htm Again, please accept my apologies (I promise I won't do it again!) Robert M Brady rmbrady@earthlink.net Palmdale, CA Proud Grandson of a 'Born n Bred' "WV Hillbilly Country Preacher" --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Thanks everyone, for your feedback on this issue and I have graciously forwarded of your responses to the CBS staff. I have also copied the article to my website if you didn't have a chance to read it. http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bradytrilogy/reality-tv.htm In case some didn't get a chance to use the CBS Feedback form, here is the link again. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml Below are the comments I received after posting the NY Times article "Tall Tales of the Appalachias" by John O'Brien. To the CBS Programming Staff, An article in today's NY Times "Tall Tales of the Appalachias" have alerted us that you are perhaps pursuing a "Beverly Hillbilly-like" Reality TV Show by taking a "poor family" and transplanting them into a Beverly Hills mansion, then exploiting them by broadcasting their reactions in this "zoo-like" environment. What a waste! An hour ago I forwarded the article to mailing lists that are targeted to that area of the country (i.e., WV, VA, Ohio, etc.). Here are some of the responses I have received concerning this issue, from people all over the United States. And I have no doubt there will be further responses. **As a descendent of pioneer farmers from the mountains of Virginia and West Virginia, I agree with you and have sent an email of complaint to CBS. Thank you for alerting us to this stereotyping. J. Denis Glover **Good for John O'Brien!!!! He wrote a wonderful article, Tales of Appalachia, in the New York Times which should have a wider audience. **My ancestors have been here since before 1650 on several sides. Some came through New Amsterdam, others through New England and others through North Carolina and the Virginias and the rest through Pennsylvania and Ohio and I have been chasing these families for almost 50 years. I have not only been searching people but their life styles and this topic really hit home. I just wrote a very long discourse to the station about their insensitivity to a group of people who have a long and proud ancestry. I find the area beautiful and believe me living in that area would be better than the city rat race as far as I am concerned. People in that area are of good strong stock and I believe that a lot of us have to stand up for our ancestors who came here to give us a good life. Instead we are being bombarded by people in the media whose ancestry usually doesn't run as deep as so many of us and they can't understand or don't want to understand what our ancestors went through so we could have freedom. I thank God every day for the freedoms we have in the country and despair of those who are trying to create a world that our ancestors gave up for to give their children and descendants a better life. Let's take back our country. Jerilyn **Wow, what an eye opener! Thanks for sharing......Nancy **Wow. Thanks for the article. I will forward that info to LOTS of family, near and far. I grew up in Bridgeport, WV, (Harrison Co.), which is about as unhillbilly as it gets. I'm proud of my mountain heritage and have learned that the shame and embarrassment I felt at being from WV once I left is completely unjustified. There is a world of difference between being poorly educated or "unsophisticated" and being willfully ignorant. I have experienced more attitudes of tolerance, compassion and allowing diversity among the West Virginians I have encountered on visits "back home" over the years than I have in many other places in the country. WVians seem to embody a more "live and let live" philosophy than a lot of Americans. In addition, I am very proud of all the WVians who have contributed to the arts, humanities, science, etc. and who have "done us proud", most of whom are not regarded as hillbillies. I live in Western Massachusetts and work in New York City, splitting my week between the two. It never fails to amaze me what misperceptions people generally have about WV. Ironically, my yoga teacher in Mass. grew up in WV. I can find 'em everywhere! I had heard that the so-called reality show about Appalachians was a possibility, but I had hoped CBS would wise up to the offensiveness of such a show. (As if reality programs aren't enough of an insult to intelligence already!) Thanks again for sending the article. All the best (and thanks for letting me vent!) Lindel Gum --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Here is the URL to the CBS Feedback page http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/feedback/fb_news_form.shtml -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NY TIMES May 10, 2003 Tall Tales of Appalachiaa By JOHN O'BRIEN GREEN BANK, W.Va. CBS is developing a reality TV series modeled after "The Beverly Hillbillies," the 60's sitcom. A poor family from a remote corner of southern Appalachia will be transported to a California mansion, the ensuing comic antics shown to America. Well, as a West Virginia farmer might say, that's a load of fertilizer. Having spent virtually my entire life in West Virginia, I can say with some authority that the strange, woebegone place called Appalachia and the hillbillies who inhabit it are a myth - one devised a century ago to justify outsiders' condescension and exploitation. In the 1870's, there was no "Appalachia." At that time, this mountainous stretch of the country from West Virginia to northern Georgia was one of the most prosperous agricultural areas in America. The people here drew upon their English, German and Scotch-Irish roots to create a variety of vibrant, peaceful cultures. But in the 1880's that started to change. Outsiders came, ones who didn't care about the thriving farms. They wanted raw materials for their factories, and the mountains had them. Our mountains were covered with the largest and oldest hardwood forest that people had ever seen. The coal deposits were the richest in the world. Industrialization came here like a cyclone roaring through the mountains. People like my ancestors were bullied, threatened and cheated out of their land. By 1920, timber companies had cut the entire forest. Most of the profits left the state along with the timber and coal. As the mountains were denuded, the industrialists portrayed the families they were robbing as "backward people" and themselves as the prophets of progress. The missionaries who often accepted large donations from the industrialists exaggerated the "otherness" of these strange people. "Local color" writers made brief visits to the mountains, then wrote fanciful books about the queer, violent mountain folk. As realistic as Harlequin romances, local-color books like Mary Murfree's "In the `Stranger People's' Country" were read and reviewed as journalistic accounts. College professors began to use them as textbooks in sociology classes. The news media took its part with the infamous Hatfield-McCoy feud in the 1880's and 1890's - a conflict that as Altina L. Waller wrote in her book "Feud," was not really a family feud, but a war between coal mining interests and local interests. Corrupt politicians took isolated incidents and described them as a hillbilly feud. Reporters from the big cities wrote about "white savages" and "West Virginia barbarians." (The New York Times, for example, said of people in eastern Kentucky: "They are remarkably good shots and effective assassins," adding that they "are so accustomed to murder that they do not look upon it with the horror with which it is regarded in civilized communities.") Then, in 1897, the president of Berea College in Kentucky, William Goodell Frost, desperately trying to raise money for his failing institution, created a fund-raising campaign based on the idea of saving the people in the Appalachians from themselves. In an Atlantic Monthly article, Frost described the southern Appalachians as our "contemporary ancestors" waking up from a Rip van Winkle-type sleep and in need of help in joining modern America. Frost's article made mythic Appalachia and its backward hillbillies a permanent fixture in America's imaginary landscape. Many in the southern Appalachians are certainly poor, but the poverty grew out of the vagaries of the coal market and outsiders' control of resources. Industrialists and others, however, blamed the people for their own poverty, and this myth continues because it is entertaining to the Americans beyond the mountains. Some of the region's middle-class writers continue to churn out Gothic hillbilly tales, the descendants of local-color stories. This mythology has even been accepted by the people living here. Not long ago, one of the student counselors at West Virginia University told me that the most persistent problem she encounters is a lack of self-esteem. Bright, capable, young men and women do not think they belong in college because they are hillbillies. I have taught at a small private college in West Virginia. Ninety percent of the students were from out of state. The few West Virginians on campus huddled together in their own corner of the student union. They had become marginal people in their own state. My own father spent his life backing up, apologizing for the space he took up in the world. He took the hillbilly stereotype to heart and all of his life believed that he was backward and inferior - a despair I, too, have been trying to escape all of my life. The reality show that CBS is considering not only exploits my part of the world, it also separates struggling Appalachians from the rest of the American poor. If a television network proposed a "real life" show treating poor African-Americans, Latinos, American Indians, Asians or Jews as curiosities, they, and all Americans of good will, would be justifiably outraged. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

The 1787 William McCredy (?), William Cawley taxes paid by William Holliday could relate to my William McCAULEY who I already show on the 1787 list in his own name. He resided in Winchester/Opequon Cr area in late 1700s and ca 1800 to Jefferson Co, KY. What is your interest? Hal McCawley of San Francisco > > ---------- > From: <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D-request@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 04:01:41 -0600 > To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D Digest V03 #35 > > From: Chocybrown@aol.com > Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:49:29 EDT > To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] 1789 WINCHESTER PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX > > Does anyone recognize these 1789 taxpayers? > > April 1, 1789 > William Holliday chargeable with the tax for William Holliday, Adam > Douglass, > and Robert Sinclair. > > James Holliday chargeable with tax for James Holliday and William Holliday > > Joseph Holmes chargeable with tax for David Holmes and Alex' King. > > John Grim chargeable with tax for John Grim, William More, Robert Pierce, > Adam Tebo, and Jacob Lavender. > > 1787 > > William McCredy (?), William Cawley taxes paid by William Holliday. >