This topic, use of horses in the mid to late 1700's has been very fascinating and informative. Everyone brought such different insights and considerations to the topic. A lot of people have asked me about or indicated that Moses's age, terrain of his property, acreage, number of slaves, etc. may also provide clues to his livelihood or need for so many horses. I don't have a lot of those answers but I believe this Moses Sr. was likely the Moses Henry b. abt. 1754 according to a Moses Henry of Shenandoah Co., VA's Rev. War pension file (not yet proven to be one and the same). Moses Henry of the pension file lived at Flint Run when he entered the service in 1776 (abt. Age 21 or 22). At the time he is in the tax list with 8 horses (Apr. 22, 1799 - Shenandoah Co., VA), a Moses Henry owned land in Shenandoah Co. on Gimlet Mtn. (Deed N-220 - doesn't mean he actually lived there but it is a possibility), was probably abt. 45 yrs. old, three yrs. later records indicate the Moses Henry owner of the property on Gimlet Mtn. had a wife named Elizabeth (Deed ref. to her dower rights 2 Nov. 1802 - don't know that they were married in 1799). To my knowledge there were no slaves enumerated in what I believe may have been his household prior to or after 1799. I do not know what the terrain, "lay of the land" was like but am guessing 'Mtn.' may suggest farming could have been difficult - but a possibility (no knowledge of the crops raised there then). I do not know the total number of individuals in his household at that time but the list indicates that 3 were over 16 yrs. Thirteen yrs. later (1810 - Shenandoah Co., VA, pg. 43) there were 11 people in the Moses Henry household that I believe may be his residence (1 male 45 yrs.+, thus b. before 1765). So, possibly - no slaves, Gimlet Mtn., 45 yrs. old, Rev. War soldier, 100a., 3 persons over 16, terrain-? Hope this is helpful. -----Original Message----- From: Wilmer L. Kerns [mailto:wkerns4@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:01 AM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] 8 Horses - Why? Horses were the "horsepower" for the 18th century, not only for farming but for industry (milling, tannery, logging and construction, transportation, etc.). Horses accomplished what machines do today. I consider the number of horses owned as one measure of affluence (any number over four). Eight horses indicates that Moses Henry was an affluent person, whatever his business. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: DRKessinger [mailto:drkessinger@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:43 PM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] 8 Horses - Why? I need some ideas here. 1799 tax records for Moses Henry indicate he had 3 whites over 16 and 8 horses, whereas most of the other individuals I looked at had (avg. of the ones I've reviewed) 1 or 2 per household. The question is this, What occupations would make it necessary for an individual to have 8 horses? Since I doubt there were any horse races going on in those parts in those days, I'm guessing one occupation may require pulling heavy wagons - teamster? I'd like to find out what this individual did for a living. Some of the occupations of the descendants (likely of this Henry family) that relocated to Ohio were gunsmiths, blacksmiths, distillers, tavern keeps, farmers, etc. I'm hoping that occupation information may give me more ideas of where to find data. Any ideas? ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== Our Old Frederick County messages can be reviewed at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/old-frederick-co-va ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== NEW Members are encouraged to post your Old Frederick County genealogy lines at anytime. Give as many facts as you can. Send to:Old-Frederick-Co-Va-L@RootsWeb.com ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Horses were the "horsepower" for the 18th century, not only for farming but for industry (milling, tannery, logging and construction, transportation, etc.). Horses accomplished what machines do today. I consider the number of horses owned as one measure of affluence (any number over four). Eight horses indicates that Moses Henry was an affluent person, whatever his business. Wilmer L. Kerns -----Original Message----- From: DRKessinger [mailto:drkessinger@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:43 PM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] 8 Horses - Why? I need some ideas here. 1799 tax records for Moses Henry indicate he had 3 whites over 16 and 8 horses, whereas most of the other individuals I looked at had (avg. of the ones I've reviewed) 1 or 2 per household. The question is this, What occupations would make it necessary for an individual to have 8 horses? Since I doubt there were any horse races going on in those parts in those days, I'm guessing one occupation may require pulling heavy wagons - teamster? I'd like to find out what this individual did for a living. Some of the occupations of the descendants (likely of this Henry family) that relocated to Ohio were gunsmiths, blacksmiths, distillers, tavern keeps, farmers, etc. I'm hoping that occupation information may give me more ideas of where to find data. Any ideas? ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== Our Old Frederick County messages can be reviewed at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/old-frederick-co-va ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Assignee has nothing to do with binding out, etc.--very roughly, it means the same as "grantee." One person could assign (grant) his right to a piece of property (usually personal property in olden times, but also real estate) to someone else--that person was then his assignee. My genealogy dictionary "A to Zax" (very handy) says this: Assignment: a transfer in writing of the title or interest in any kind of property from one party to another. Assignee: 1) a person to whom an assignment is made, usually used in speaking of personal property; 20 anyone who legally possessed a bounty warrant or donation certificate by purchase or gift; 3) a person who had a warrant, but was not the person to whom it had been issued. From what I have read or found in records, children were bound out for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes they were orphans, sometimes their parents could not support them, and sometimes their parents simply wanted them to learn a trade. I have found a couple of cases where the children of a remarried widow were bound out, possibly to get them out of the house. If it was the Overseer of the Poor doing the binding, however, it was generally orphans or children who were at the public charge for whatever reason--this was a way of providing for them. If you find that website, let us all know! Best wishes, Martha Grenzeback graymatters@alltel.net At 12:35 PM 1/11/2005 -0500, DRKessinger wrote: >In deed verbiage (1700's) what does "assignee" mean, i.e., I've found where >an individual issued his "assignee" a land patent. Is the assignee like an >individual that is in an apprenticeship, a child placed with a guardian, an >individual bound out (another good one - "bind"), an individual brought to >the colonies at another's expense and assigned??? to someone else, what? > >When minute books, etc. state that the "Overseer of the Poor" or another >person of some title was going to bind a child to another adult individual >what does this indicate? Were the parents likely dead or indebted or did >parents do this to their own children? Was it for the purpose of paying >debts, merely teaching a trade, or were these children identified as >unlikely to succeed without intervention - what? > >Someone once gave me a website for definitions of old but I can't seem to >locate it. If you don't know the answers maybe you are familiar with this >site and would be so kind as to point me there. > > > >==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== >OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA LIST ADMINISTRATOR >Old-Frederick-Co-Va-Admin@RootsWeb.com > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

I need some ideas here. 1799 tax records for Moses Henry indicate he had 3 whites over 16 and 8 horses, whereas most of the other individuals I looked at had (avg. of the ones I've reviewed) 1 or 2 per household. The question is this, What occupations would make it necessary for an individual to have 8 horses? Since I doubt there were any horse races going on in those parts in those days, I'm guessing one occupation may require pulling heavy wagons - teamster? I'd like to find out what this individual did for a living. Some of the occupations of the descendants (likely of this Henry family) that relocated to Ohio were gunsmiths, blacksmiths, distillers, tavern keeps, farmers, etc. I'm hoping that occupation information may give me more ideas of where to find data. Any ideas?

Waggoner, teamster, livery stable, stage stop owner.... -----Original Message----- From: DRKessinger [mailto:drkessinger@alltel.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:43 PM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] 8 Horses - Why? I need some ideas here. 1799 tax records for Moses Henry indicate he had 3 whites over 16 and 8 horses, whereas most of the other individuals I looked at had (avg. of the ones I've reviewed) 1 or 2 per household. The question is this, What occupations would make it necessary for an individual to have 8 horses? Since I doubt there were any horse races going on in those parts in those days, I'm guessing one occupation may require pulling heavy wagons - teamster? I'd like to find out what this individual did for a living. Some of the occupations of the descendants (likely of this Henry family) that relocated to Ohio were gunsmiths, blacksmiths, distillers, tavern keeps, farmers, etc. I'm hoping that occupation information may give me more ideas of where to find data. Any ideas? ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== Our Old Frederick County messages can be reviewed at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/old-frederick-co-va ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I am looking for a person that lived in Brucetown, VA around the 1850's. Would this be the right list to look for them on? EM ----- Original Message ----- From: <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-D Digest V05 #3

Does anyone know the location of JORDON SPRINGS near the city of Winchester in Frederick County?

In deed verbiage (1700's) what does "assignee" mean, i.e., I've found where an individual issued his "assignee" a land patent. Is the assignee like an individual that is in an apprenticeship, a child placed with a guardian, an individual bound out (another good one - "bind"), an individual brought to the colonies at another's expense and assigned??? to someone else, what? When minute books, etc. state that the "Overseer of the Poor" or another person of some title was going to bind a child to another adult individual what does this indicate? Were the parents likely dead or indebted or did parents do this to their own children? Was it for the purpose of paying debts, merely teaching a trade, or were these children identified as unlikely to succeed without intervention - what? Someone once gave me a website for definitions of old but I can't seem to locate it. If you don't know the answers maybe you are familiar with this site and would be so kind as to point me there.

ENE of Winchester near where Hiatt Run and Lick Run meet or where Woods Mill Road and Jordan Springs Rd meet. Just west of Opequon Creek -----Original Message----- From: Pam2570@aol.com [mailto:Pam2570@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:01 AM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] Another Location, Please: JORDON SPRINGS Does anyone know the location of JORDON SPRINGS near the city of Winchester in Frederick County? ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS Old-Frederick-Co-Va-L-request@RootsWeb.com UNSUBSCRIBE (in message) Old-Frederick-Co-Va-D-request@RootsWeb.com UNSUBSCRIBE (in message) Make sure your signature files have been removed while you do this!! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

According to Grant H-717, made Oct. 22, 1756 Morgan Henry lived adjacent to Frederick Hall whose property also adjoined Joseph Car and Benjamin Machall on the Elk Branch. This is the only information I have to describe the land. Does anyone know where the Elk branch is located?

I might be interested in the Hampshire County book. Does it cover the time that it was part of Old Frederick County, VA (pre-civil war)? Is there an index and if yes can you tell me if there are any Albins or Snapps/Scheppes in there? Thanks, Connie Surnames: Snapp/Albin/Kidwell

I am interested in not only a "secretary" of George Washington who was said to be a Read, but the relatives of George or Martha Washington who were members of the Read Family. Also, in a rare newspaper story from Nashville, TN in 1814, there is mention of "Messrs. Read and Washington, army contractors," who lost an office and warehouse in the fire which consumed half the town. Any connection? I welcome anyone who can point me in a direction to research these Reads associated with Washingtons.

I may be moving next year and have done all of the genealogical research that I plan to do. Therefore, I would like to sell the following books. They are all in perfect condition: Allegaheny Passage by Emmerit F. Bittinger (856 pages--indexed) Most of the people mentioned in the book lived in VA and what is now West Virginia The Bicentennial History of Bath County, Virginia (400 pages) Hampshire County, West Virginia 1774-2004 Edited by Wilmer Kerns and Roberta Munske published 2004 261 pages. I will sell you any or all of the above books. First come first serve. Cost per book $20.00 each but the first one on the list is $25.00

Hello to the Old Frederick County, Virginia Rootsweb list, If anyone is doing any look-ups in the book, "PIONEERS OF OLD FREDERICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA," may I request one, as well? I am interested in any additional information on my paternal 5th great grandfather, (Major) Samuel EARLE, III, who was born in Abt. 1692 in Westmoreland County, Virginia and lived for awhile in Old Frederick County, Virginia where he was elected the 1st Member of the House of Burgesses from Frederick County holding the seat that would later be held by future (President) George WASHINGTON whose father, Augustine WASHINGTON owned land that was adjoining land owned by Samuel EARLE, I who was the paternal grandfather of the aforementioned (Major) Samuel EARLE, III. And this same Samuel EARLE, I was, also, the land grant partner of (Major) John STITH who married Mrs. Jane MOSBY GREGORY PARSONS, (whom I had previously researched but then that lineage appears to possibly have been incorrect; however, recent information about my being descended from HARDAWAY lineage that is, also, descended from them through their son, Drury STITH, and his wife, Susanna(h) BATHURST, now sends me down some new branches with them.) Also, I am looking for more information on the mother of (Major) Samuel EARLE, III who was Phillis/Phyllis BENNETT who married Samuel EARLE, II. Phillis BENNETT is believed to have been the daughter of the John BENNETT who married as the 3rd husband of a woman named Mat(t)ilda ALLERTON, (have seen some call her Melinda,) who 1st married the aforementioned Samuel EARLE, I after the death of his 1st wife, Bridget HA(Y)LE(S,) (mother of the aformentioned Samuel EARLE, II,) (whom some people show as Bridget BAYLES/aka BAYLIS,) (my 7th great grandmother.) After the death of Samuel EARLE, his 2nd wife, Mat(t)ilda ALLERTON, married as the 2nd wife of her 2nd husband, William RUST/RUSH, and then after his death, Mat(t)ilda ALLERTON married 3rd husband, John BENNETT. I am, also, looking for the names of the parents of Bridget HA(Y)LE(S)/BAYLES/BAYLIS. Her father is thought, by some, to have been the Thomas HA(Y)LE(S) who settled Yeocomico Plantation in Northumberland County in or about 1649 after he and (Sir) John EARLE, immigrant arriving in 1649 from England, acquired the land from the Indians there. (Sir) John EARLE was the husband of 1st wife and my 8th great grandmother, Mary SYM(M)ON(D)S, born: Abt. 1618 in Gloucestershire, England, who immigrated in 1652 with 3 of their 4 children, Samuel EARLE, I, John EARLE, and Mary EARLE, with their 4th son, William EARLE, staying in England to finish his education. He then immigrated later and Mary EARLE, after the death of her mother and her subsequent marriage to family attorney, Martin COLE, (after the death of his 1st wife,) moved back to England. I am looking to find more information about Mary SYM(M)ON(D)S' family/parents/etc., some of whom are believed to have been living in America, probably in the St. Mary's County, Maryland area for about 10 years prior to her immigration. She is believed to have been closely related to the man named Francis SYM(M)ON(D)S who immigrated in 1649 along with (Sir) John EARLE. And, in addition, I am, also, looking for more information on the 2nd wife of (Sir) John EARLE, Mary SYM(M)ON(D)S, in 1659 at "Spring Neck," on Earle's Creek, Yeocomico Plantation, Northumberland County, Virginia, and the name of that 2nd wife of (Sir) John EARLE was Elizabeth ?/CAUSEY/CAWSEY either by maiden name or married name who had previously been married to a man named ? HOWELL and then just a few months after the death of Mary SYM(M)ON(D)S, this Mrs. Elizabeth ?/CAUSEY? ?/CAUSEY? HOWELL married (Sir) John EARLE and then after John's death just a few months later in September 1660 at the age of 48 years old, Elizabeth married a 3rd/4th husband, William CLEMENT. And looking to find out more about the parents/siblings of the other women mentioned above: Phillis BENNETT, Bridget HA(Y)LE(S)/BAYLES/BAYLIS, Mary SYM(M)ON(D)S, Mat(t)ilda ALLERTON, and Elizabeth ?/CAUSEY? ?/CAUSEY? HOWELL as well as any information on the men, John BENNETT, William CLEMENT, and Francis SYM(M)ON(D)S as well as the earliest mentioned (Major) Samuel EARLE, III and any more information on his time spent in Frederick County, Virginia. In advance, I thank you. Sincerely, Bellinda Myrick-Barnett << Does anyone have the book Pioneers of Old Frederick County, Virginia by Cecil O'Dell. I would like to know if there is any information on Henry's in there besides the reference to John Henry's sale of land in 1755. If anyone can do a look-up for me it would be Great.>>

Would this book give information about the members of Col Washington's militia of 1756-1758? My ancestor was listed in a courts martial out of Winchester at that time, but I have no other information about him. Gerry Parchman

Does anyone have the book Pioneers of Old Frederick County, Virginia by Cecil O'Dell. I would like to know if there is any information on Henry's in there besides the reference to John Henry's sale of land in 1755. If anyone can do a look-up for me it would be Great.

We publish (as yet unpublished) original or obscure, hard-to-find records from the counties, from various sources - things we hope WILL help someone find a hard-to-find ancestor. Also, compiled genealogies, if well-documented. This particular issue (the largest yet) has 46 pages of just index - it has a LOT of names due to the unusual number of long lists it contains this year. Below is this issue's Table of Contents. Back issue TOC's (and indexes) can be found on the web site (www.novagenealogy.com). Most back issues are still available for purchase. However, the "extra" Genius of Liberty book that comes with this year's magazine will NOT be available to anyone but subscribers for the current year. - Nancy Upshaw (TOC) Review "Seventeenth Century Virginia County Court Headright Certificates" The Virginia Genealogist Merrill Hill Mosher, CG 1274 Fairfax County Construction Expenses of Pohick Church Margaret Amundsen, CG 1275 Ellzey vs. Beckwith, Dulin, et al, 1819 Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1283 Analysis of John Simpson's Bible Robert Niebling 1285 Fauquier County John K. Gott, Obituary John Toler 1287 Upperville Baptist Church Minutes John K. Gott 1289 Will of John Shumate, 1814 Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1332 Frederick County Chancery Causes 1745-1750 Victor S. Dunn, CGRS 1334 John T. & Louisa (Smoot) Dunn Bible Victor S. Dunn, CGRS 1340 Dunn Apprenticeship Contract, 1835 Victor S. Dunn, CGRS 1342 Hampshire County (WV) Company K As It Left Romney, 1861 Jane Ailes 1344 Loudoun County St. James Baptisms, 1830-1904 Patricia B. Duncan 1348 Superior Court Deed Book A, 1809-1844 Patricia B. Duncan 1389 Death, Capt. William B. Lynch, 1909 1400 Lovettsville Area Militia List, 1795 Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1402 Rental Agreement, Michael & Shover, 1823 Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1403 Hillsboro Black Cemetery Wynne Saffer 1404 Triplet v. Morrow & Carrico, 1826 1405 List of Loudoun's Loyal Citizens, 1890 1407 Prince William County Will of Catherine Applebie, 1857 1410 Will of Mary Ann Cave, 1813 1411 Will of Elizabeth Chancellor, 1858 1413 Will of Ann P. Leachman, 1855 1415 Will of Louisa Tyler, 1853 1416 Distribution of Sarah Trone's Estate, 1857 1417 Order Book Abstracts, 1782 Continued from Vol. 8:1252 Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1418 Regional Deaths, Daily National Intelligencer, 1855-1870 Wesley Pippenger 1450 Leases Issued by Thomas, 6th Lord Fairfax Marty Hiatt, CGRS 1465 James Wright, Oldest Inhabitant 1468 Book Reviews 1469 -----Original Message----- From: MYcocogogo@aol.com [mailto:MYcocogogo@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:41 PM To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: subscription What kind of information is found in this magazine. Will it help in researching hard to find relatives. Thanks, Vickey ______________________________

I would like to identify the churches and locations of such that the following ministers were associated with and would appreciate it if anyone could tell me how or where I may be able to locate this info. Please keep in mind that I'm in another state. Any ideas would be Great. Thanks. These ministers performed marriages in Frederick county during the following time frame - 1788 to 1800. 1788 Alexander Balmain 1798 William Williamson 1800 James Ireland

According to Pioneers of Old Frederick County, Virginia by Cecil O'Dell pg. 49...in 1755, Nicholas Mercer..."bought 290 acres from John Henrey"...this land is located north of Martinsbury on Dry Run. (From Joyner, Northern Neck Warrants and Surveys, Frederick County, pg. 106). Knowing little about Frederick, Shenandoah, Warren, and Page counties but now knowing a 'little' about the area around Gimlet Mtn., Gooney Manor, Browntown, etc. I would like to know where the above land "north of Martinsbury on Dry Run" is in comparison to the Gooney Manor area, i.e., is it north, south, east, or west and is it a short distance (within a few miles) or a long distance, and if far about how far? Can anyone help me with this one? And, by the way, does anyone know anything about this John Henrey?

What kind of information is found in this magazine. Will it help in researching hard to find relatives. Thanks, Vickey