I was lucky enough to find a few deeds from the 1840's where my relative John R. Nelson was buying property in Winchester. The first he bought as a "trustee" for Mary Catherine Nelson - there was no relationship stated. Later on property is sold to a Robert Deshaw Trust. When I read the document, I began wondering about trusts established in the 1840's. Robert Deshaw was purchasing a property for the benefit of his "infant" son's use. I am supposing that "infant" in this instance means "minor". Can someone explain the legalese of this? John R. Nelson named a daughter Mary and it might well have been Mary Catherine born about 1835. I'd sure like to think I'd found his mother's name rather than some legal maneuver to get out of paying a property tax or? Any ideas? Karen Nelson Hangsleben

HOORAY FOR TONTO!! Genealogy is a hobby, not a competition. Carole

This is to apologize for a e-mail sent last Wednesday to this and other lists sent by my niece but written by me and I never intended it to be sent. Once written, my anger was released and I thought better. However, my niece can go from Lady to the word use for female dog in 4.2 seconds. I did not realize she had sent the message until the next morning. That being say, some good things came form the e-mail. 1. After a discussion with AOL, I now get it for $7.00 less. 2. Many e mails were sent in agreement. 3. The lady who ripped me off has now listed my research as hers on her web site, with the a Mulatto slave as the great grandfather of her husband. She said she did the research herself. 4. She sent to me updated information about her family with birthdays and maiden names of living people. Smart enough to ripped me off, dumb enough to send that information to a total stranger. On the downside after doing genealogical research for thirty-three years and having two articles published in The American Genealogist, I will now quit genealogy. I will leave it to the new breed of Internet Genealogists that have no sense of right or wrong. So no need to unsubscribe me for an apology, I will do that soon myself. Thank You Tonto Bernstein

It started with Family Tree Maker. After one puts in 100 names, the software ask for one to send the data to them. Most smart people ignore the request but not all. The brother of the person I helped with my data, hit the send button and therefore giving my data that took years and years to collect to this corporation. Now, people are sourcing World Family Tree with data collected by my cousin and myself. My Family.com, Ancestry.com, Ancestery.com, Family Tree Maker.com, Rootsweb.web, genealogy.com are all .coms owned by My Family.com, Inc at Provo,UT e-mail pr@myfamilyinc.com. In case, you agree with me and would like to let them know what you think. The monopoly is so great that one cannot go any where on Internet without have one of these getting send to one of these website. Another person recently, wanted to be correct about there direct line. They promised to credit my cousin and I with research if I would supply the data. They did not keep their promised, it was easier to plagiarize. Well, Rootsweb does allow for post-em to be place on these website. At least, these people won't get away with the plagiarism. I agree with the last elected President of this country who had the nickname Give'm Hell Harry, when he said I don't give anyone hell, I tell the truth and they think it is hell

Found 5 items of interest to me regarding John R. NELSON circa 1840. Might a fellow researcher have any of these documents that involve one of these sales? The names of the parties were: Honara Grimshaw, George McCord, George Forney, L.T. Moore and Robert Deshaw. This information was taken from an Index to Deeds No. 1 - Winchester, VA filmed by LDS and available from the FHC. Thanks, Karen Nelson Hangsleben

In February of 2004 the Berkeley County Historical Society's Archives and Research Center opened at 136 East Race Street in Martinsburg (next to the Belle Boyd House). This opened up part of the Belle Boyd House for additions to the museum - so there are now new displays for you to see, including a World War II museum and Native American museum. An excellent time to visit would be Saturday May 14 during the Belle Boyd Birthday celebration (10 a.m. to 4 p.m.) when there will be live musical entertainment and you can meet General Stonewall Jackson, his wife Anna, his aide Sandy Pendleton and Belle Boyd herself (all portrayed by living historians of course), as well as take a tour of the Belle Boyd House and museum. The price of admission is just right - its all free. I am a board member of the Berkeley County Historical Society - and the Archives/Research Center is worth the trip - more materials, and easier to find with someone there to assist you - or to leave you alone - while you research. We have many recently added books, and, of course, microfilm for your research. Regular hours of both the museum and the archives/research center are Monday - Tuesday, Thursday - Saturday, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Don Silvius Berkeley County resident Don Silvius Co-coordinator Shenandoah County, Virginia GenWeb Project <http://www.rootsweb.com/~vashenan/vashenan.html>

I would check with the Historical Society in Martinsburg. I was there in 2002 (wish I lived closer) and they helped me so much. They are on Race Street in the Belle Boyd House. I don't know the address but I'm sure there's someone on this list that can help you with that. Good luck. Annie > G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> > To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <001401c54f45$9221e600$b74418d8@GLeeTwo> > > > To All: > I am hoping to contact someone who is researching the part of Frederick co. > which became Burkley Co. VA=WVA for Harrolds, Harrell, Herrell etc. > Specifically, I am interested in Hugh Harroll etc. who died in old Frederick > Co. in 1743 and his orphans, Hugh and Jane Harroll etc. were placed in the > custody of William Davis. > I understand that William Davis died in Berkley co. in 1772. Will share what > I have, which isn't much! > Also, would like to know the general location of census precinct of George > Noble, census taker for the area. > All Information, Clues and Discussion Appreciated! > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > > >

To All: I am hoping to contact someone who is researching the part of Frederick co. which became Burkley Co. VA=WVA for Harrolds, Harrell, Herrell etc. Specifically, I am interested in Hugh Harroll etc. who died in old Frederick Co. in 1743 and his orphans, Hugh and Jane Harroll etc. were placed in the custody of William Davis. I understand that William Davis died in Berkley co. in 1772. Will share what I have, which isn't much! Also, would like to know the general location of census precinct of George Noble, census taker for the area. All Information, Clues and Discussion Appreciated! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Please change my email address to the following: kgnmj@sbcglobal.net thanks, Norma

What is the difference between the Old-Frederick Co VA list and the other Frederick Co, VA list. My Porter family, Philip Porter was in VA till about 1806......so I am not sure which list I need to be writing to. Thanks in advance Dottie Porter Himes Dottie Himes Lewisport, KY 42351 djhimes@bellsouth.net I love my Family, Genealogy is Addictive but Fun: SURNAMES: Heim, Himes, Ahlers, Shroyer, Swadener /Burch, Clements, Hagan, Hutchins, Porter /Hayden, Mulligan,Young, and many more.

I am searching for any information on the following surnames -- HARRELL/HAROLD/HERROL, PAGET/PADGET/PADGETT and CALFEE. I am specifically interested in the 1750 to 1800 time period. I have found several deeds in Frederick Co. between Reuben PAGET and his wife, Elizabeth and Jacob HARRELL. Land adjoined John CALFEE. I know that these families intermarried and I am trying to get back another generation to the parents of Reuben HARRELL b. 1750 Shenandoah Co. I have reason to believe that Jacob HARRELL was his father but can't prove it yet. It is thought that Jacob HARRELL might have been married to Martha PAGET a sister of Reuben PAGET. Reuben PAGET was married to Elizabeth CALFEE. There were also a lot of HURST in the same area and they are also married into the above mentioned families. ANY connection to these lines would be wonderful and if you have data or suggestions of where to look for more information on these people I would appreciate hearing from you. Melinda Larson 5g granddaughter of Reuben HARRELL and Rebecca SMITH

I spent quite a lot of time a couple of years ago looking up the VA land grants with these names. Trying to see if Dobson was possibly the father of my Richard Dotson (born 1752 in Shenandoah County; died 1847 in Doddridge Co. Served several terms in the Rev. War as an Indian Spy in West Pa, and (West) Virgina. "Returned" to Hampshire Co for a few years after the Rev. War.) Haven't been able to prove a link to William Dobson. I couldn't find a deed or will abstract where William mentioned a son Richard. I thought it would be helpful if there would be a way to lay out the lands described in the patents onto maps to see where these 3 names were neighbors. Cresap we know was a land speculator. He is on MANY deeds. I don't know how to make plat maps using land descriptions, so just gave up on the project. Sandra Paser sandijay@mindspring.com

Is anyone researching Michael Cresap Jr., William Dobson, or John Walker in Hampshire Co. Va in 1789 where the north and south branch of the Potomac met?

I am looking for anyone who can give me additional information on my William Wright. I don't know where he was born, nor do I know who his parents and siblings were. I do know he was given a land grant in 1754 in Frederick County, Virginia. He sold his land and settled in Berkeley County, Virginia when that county branched off from Frederick. He lived near the Potomac River in Shepherdstown until he moved to Bourbon County, Kentucky where he subsequently died between 1803-1806. I know my William's wife's name was Martha, but I know nothing else about her. It is "supposed" my William Wright was of the Scot/Irish Presbyterian persuasion, but that is not at all for sure. I am also looking for the early church records that would show names of members, etc., for the following churches: 1) Bullskin Presbyterian Church ca. 1736 to 1768 (old congregation) 2) Shepherdstown Presbyterian Church ca. beg. ? to 1768 (bef. Bullskin splitup) & 1768 to 1795 (aft. Bullskin splitup) 3) Elk Branch Presbyterian Church ca. 1768 to 1795 (new Congregation) Can anyone help me with my William Wright? Judy Harvey harveyj@zoomnet.net

I have found information on Henry Richards Jr. He was born in 1753 in Frederick County, and was buried on a farm, in 1847, near Mountain Falls, Frederick County, VA. His wife Catherine was still alive in 1847, and allegedly buried in the Richards graveyard. Henry Richards Sr. died in 1793, in Frederick County. His wife was named Jean. Their children were: 1. Henry Richards Jr. (1753-1847) married Catherine Kackley. Eight children were listed in Henry's Will: Jacob Richards, Joseph Richards (inherited the homeplace), Isaac Richards, Henry Richards III, Elijah Richards, John Richards, Sarah Fry, and step-daughter Rachel Kerns. 2. Hannah Richards married Frederick Cooper (1764-1815) 3. John Richards (1769-1860), married Jean _______. Wilmer L. Kerns

Does anyone have anything more on the  Peter Wolf mentioned in this e-mail. Thinking this could be my gggggrandfather? THANKS!                                             Joy "Fairfax Land Suit" By Hunter Branson McKay 1951 Index WOLFE (Woolf): Peter 57, 68, 69, 89, 108, 113 Page 57 --------------Patents granted---------part of the Orders of Council granted Isaac & John Vanmetre 17 June 1730. -----------------------------To: PETER WOOLF; 600 acres; October 3, 1734--------------- Page 68 PETER WOLF is mentioned as a part of the list of settlements in a deposition by others in the claim of Joshua Job. Page 69 PETER WOLF again mentioned as a par to the list of settlements in a deposition by others in the claim of Barnaby Eagen. Page 89 See previous message concerning Morgan Morgan for PETER WOLF's assocation in this claim. Page 108 BY VIRTUE of Dedimus from the Hounourable the General Court to us Directed to examine and take the Deposition of PETER WOLF-PETER WOLF being sworn on the Holy Evangelist of Almight God, Deposeth as followeth, The he is nos in the fify fourth year of his age that he came into this Colony from the Jerseys some time in the year 1733, and that he settled upon a tract of Land which was supposed to belong to JOIST HITE and as this Deponent believes the same was in Dispute That some time in the year of our Lord 1736 this Deponent was sent for by the LORD FAIRFAX who was then at SAMUEL TIMMANDS'S to Pilot him up to JOSIT HITE'S which accordingly he did That amon other Discourse which then passed between the said LORD FAIRFAX and the said JOIST HITE and other deponent understood that a Caveat was entered by his Lordship to prevent the Granting of Patents for the same Land And that he heard his Lordship tell and encourage JOIST HITE and others (for a that time the Country was thinly settled) to seattle the said lands and that they should only Change their Landlord by paying their dues to him instead of the Crown in Case the Dispute then depending Between his Lordship and the Crown for the said Lands should be determined in his favour. And he further saith that he understood by his Lordship's Discourse concerning their Dues which were to be paid that they was to be of no other Nature that what should be paid to the Crown in Case the suit should be determined against his Lordship by which Encouragement this Deponent verily believes many persons were prevailed upon to settle and Cultivate the lands aforesaid And further saith not-- PETER WOLF Taken beore us the 6th March 1754 ISAAC PARKINS GER'M KEYS THOMAS-------(?) Page 113 The list of patents repeated. PETER WOLF; 600 Acres; October 3, 1734. "Shenandoah Valley Pioneers and Their Descendants-A History of Frederick County, Virginia" by T. K. Cartmell Page 23 PETER WOOLF is mentioned as a member of the first Jury in the April 1744 Court and as a member of the first Grand Jury in the May term 1744. Page 102 "Morgan and His Men" List of killed, wounded and prisoners of Capt. DANIEL MORGAN's Company of Rifleman at Quebec, Canada, 1775-76. Killed:---------------------------------PETER WOLF http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/cgi-bin/GetLONN.pl?first=317&last=&g_p=P15& collection=LO Patent Woolf, Peter. 3 October 1734. Location: Orange County.   Description: 600 acres on the western side of Sherrando River adjoining land belonging to the Honble Robert Carter dec., and Benjamin Burdin

Does anyone have anything more on the  Peter Wolf mentioned in this e-mail. Thinking this could be my gggggrandfather? THANKS!                                             Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Chocybrown@aol.com> To: <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: [OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA] ANDERSON/BOACHT > Peter ANDERSON married Hannah BOACHT on 27 May 1801; Bondsman: John BOND in > Frederick County, Virginia. > > There is a PETER ANDERSON listed as an 1815 landowner in the Independent City > of Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia. Also, a Jacob and a Nathan who > lives on North Road in the the City of Winchester. > > A PETER ANDERSON is listed as a Blacksmith in the City of Winchester. > > JOHN GILL owned property on South Loudoun Street in Winchester. No date > given. > > The Lord Fairfax Lawsuit lists JAMES GILL among the settlers in the forks of > the Shenandoah and the several branches. An affidavit by PETER WOLF states he > saw 49 settlements on the grant of MacKAY and HITE in the the Fork of the > Shenandoah and that the same, named in the list (one of which was JA GILL), are > improving. The list of names was taken by Justice MORGAN MORGAN. Certified by > MORGAN MORGAN who view'd the settlement partly with GEO. HOBSON and partly with > PETER WOLF---26 Jan 1735 (produced in council Sept. 1836). > > > > > > > ==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== > ADDRESS ALL YOUR LIST MESSAGES TO: > Old-Frederick-Co-Va-L@RootsWeb.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.0 - Release Date: 3/31/05 > >

I am seeking to find out any birth or family information on Lawson Goens who was born abt. 1806 in Virginia. any help would be appreciated. Some background info below. Some census link the families as white and others they are mulatto/colored/black. Shelley Goen, Goens, Goins, Goings Family Lawson Goens was born in 1807 in Virginia. He was married about 1830 to Sarah Hart who was also born April 1, 1810 in Virginia. They were in the Jefferson County Federal census for the years of 1850, 60 and 1870. They were in the Kabletown area of Jefferson County. VA, and as of 1863 West Virginia. 11 Children born to Lawson Goens and Sarah (Hart) Goens: o Martha Elizabeth born June 16, 1831, died 1834. o John Francis, born August 4, 1832. He and his wife lived on Mt. Gilliam in a log cabin and he built caskets. o William Alexander born March 4, 1834. Married about 1857 to Martha Johnson, daughter of Kitty. Children born if any are unknown at this time. o Stephen, born Feb 28, 1838. He lived with his brother John and later moved to Pittsburg PA. He died April 4, 1890. H lived with his brother John Francis supposedly on Mt. Gilliam. He died April 4, 1890. o Frances Virginia “Fannie,” born December 28, 1837, she married James Douglas Roper. Children are: Mary Virginia b. 11/7/1860, George William b. 5/13/1864, Martha E. b. 11/10, 1875 and Nancy Clara b. about 1880. o Mary Catherine born April 18, 1840. Married George Marsh. Children are: Nancy Ardella b. 1864, Sarah born in OH- (married Henry Davis), Cora born in Manistee Co. Mi, Frank, Warren, Jesse, Clara (married Henry Davis), Hattie, John and Matthew, George. (This is my great great grandmother) o Charles Henry born March 16, 1844, married Louisa Victoria Roper about 1867: children: James Douglas, Rosie, Fanny, Mabel, Florence, Alice Sophy, Eliza, Annie E. Charles and Neva Elrita. o Josiah (Joseph) born August 17, 1846, married Lucy Sims, 1869 daughter of Eliza Sims. Children; Arwilda M b. 1871 (married Howard Hart), Lawson 1873, Charles Austin b. 1875, and Lucy b. 1878. o Nancy Elizabeth born March 24, 1848. She married Emanuel Johnson around 1868. Children: Eugene b. 1868, Margaret b. 1870, Mary b. 1872, Henry b. 1875, John b. 1878 o Sarah Ann “Sally” born August 9, 1849, married William Henry Roper July 17, 1873. Children: Lethea b. 1875, Huston b. 1877, Leonard b. 1879, and Gladys b. 1882. o Richard Peyton b. April 28, 1852. Lawson Goens worked as a ferryman for 30 years in Jefferson Co. at the historic Shannondale Springs Resort. He died on July 12, 1874. We do not know where he died or where he is buried. Sarah (Hart) died in 1886, we do not know what County she died in, but she is buried in Jefferson County West Virginia. After Lawson died Sarah moved in with her daughter Nancy Johnson. We have Sarah (Hart) Goens bible, and there is no S on the Surname, it is written as Goen. Know your Roots, they are Long and Strong.. http://hometown.aol.com/__121b_cBXgAm48zBsVKCIn8GCRHRae/fnQDiYYjZOJc4sG+/U=

Peter ANDERSON married Hannah BOACHT on 27 May 1801; Bondsman: John BOND in Frederick County, Virginia. There is a PETER ANDERSON listed as an 1815 landowner in the Independent City of Winchester, Frederick County, Virginia. Also, a Jacob and a Nathan who lives on North Road in the the City of Winchester. A PETER ANDERSON is listed as a Blacksmith in the City of Winchester. JOHN GILL owned property on South Loudoun Street in Winchester. No date given. The Lord Fairfax Lawsuit lists JAMES GILL among the settlers in the forks of the Shenandoah and the several branches. An affidavit by PETER WOLF states he saw 49 settlements on the grant of MacKAY and HITE in the the Fork of the Shenandoah and that the same, named in the list (one of which was JA GILL), are improving. The list of names was taken by Justice MORGAN MORGAN. Certified by MORGAN MORGAN who view'd the settlement partly with GEO. HOBSON and partly with PETER WOLF---26 Jan 1735 (produced in council Sept. 1836).

Looking for a GILL researcher with a Winchester, VA connection to the family of Peter and Hannah Boacht ANDERSON of that place circa 1800. Wish to find a list of the children of this ANDERSON couple. I understand one of their daughters from this typically large family had wed a GILL. Maybe learning about the GILL connection will help me locate my own connection to this ANDERSON family. Their daughter Hannah Anderson wed John Richard Nelson circa 1832. I have yet to find out where this marriage took place. Perhaps knowing more about the GILL connection will help me break through this brick wall? Thanks for all replies - Karen Nelson Hangsleben