This afternoon I received a message via this list with an attachment. It came through to me as gibberish; additionally, it was awfully lengthy for a list posting, even if I had been able to read it. It is my understanding that attachments are frowned upon in list postings. Brevity would also be appreciated, at least by myself. Thank you. Adele Corbin corbinae@ucbeh.san.uc.edu

Sorry about attachment. SURNAMES > MCDERMOTT In Shenanadoah Valley from 1700 to 1860 > MARCKEK Berkely Co. Va. > FRACKLEY Elizabeth b. 1807 Va. lived Warren co.d/o John Frackley > mrd Elijah STROSNIDER > FAULEY/FAWLEY/FOLEY Anthony > SNUTTS/SNOOTS/SMOTTZ Catharine > GARMONG/GARMAN Squire lived Warren Co. mrd Louise MITCHELL > STUMP MARY d/o John STUMP mrd William S. LAING Jr. > RIGEDWAY Mary Polly b.Pr Geo Md mrd Luke Harriss LOVELACE > SAGER Anne mrd Joseph FAULEY/FAWLEY > BARB Johann Adam mrd anne POKE/POLK > \RUDOLPH George f/o Hannah RUDOLPH mrd Frederick STRONIDER > Thanks for any help.

> Sorry about attachment. > SURNAMES > MCDERMOTT In Shenanadoah Valley from 1700 to 1860 > MARCKEK Berkely Co. Va. > FRACKLEY Elizabeth b. 1807 Va. lived Warren co.d/o John Frackley > mrd Elijah STROSNIDER > FAULEY/FAWLEY/FOLEY Anthony > SNUTTS/SNOOTS/SMOTTZ Catharine > GARMONG/GARMAN Squire lived Warren Co. mrd Louise MITCHELL > STUMP MARY d/o John STUMP mrd William S. LAING Jr. > RIGEDWAY Mary Polly b.Pr Geo Md mrd Luke Harriss LOVELACE > SAGER Anne mrd Joseph FAULEY/FAWLEY > BARB Johann Adam mrd anne POKE/POLK > \RUDOLPH George f/o Hannah RUDOLPH mrd Frederick STRONIDER > Thanks for any help.

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At 04:03 PM 7/26/97 -0100, you wrote: >Hi-- > >I don't have your original letter in front of me to know the state & county >your ancestors were in in 1850. However, have you checked deeds where they >may have purchased land where you found them? Sometimes a deed will >mention "George Brinker of (name of the county he is moving from)". Also, >don't put your faith in the list of state born. I had an ancestor who say >he was born in TN in one census, and VA in another census!!! Have you >checked him in the census indexes for several states in 1840? The >surrounding state census indexes would be a place to start. > >I don't know where you are writing from, so I don't know what is available >to you. > >Good luck!!!!! >Jeanne >Orange VA >---------- At 07:56 PM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Carol: Then next step is to check the census for the children. 1880 for >instance where it tell where their parents were born. might be a clue. > >Carol > Thanks for the suggestions. I live in northern Wisconsin, and the nearest LDS center is 150 mile drive, only open on Wednesdays and Saturdays, so it's very inconvenient. However, I DO go to Salt Lake City for 2 weeks every fall with my mother. So, this query & your answers are helping me plan what I'll be doing there this year! I have checked the deeds/land records and found nothing. But, I hadn't tried the earlier census records for surrounding states, so that's one thing I will plan to do. (They were in Pickaway Co, OH in 1850). I had not thought to check the later census records for the children, so will put that on my list, too. I really appreciate all of the help I've been getting from this group. You're great! Thanks to all of you! Carol Wilson cjwilson@win.bright.net

Any help on these families would be greatly appricated. Thanks, Esther Clark McDermott

Carol: Then next step is to check the census for the children. 1880 for instance where it tell where their parents were born. might be a clue. Carol

At 09:33 AM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >Carol: Suggest you go on to the 1860 census and see what it says because >sometimes they would give where they used to live as birth place i.e. I am >from Delaware and that is what the census taker put. A different time, and >different census taker might yield different results. Then as a double check >1870 census. Then go backwards again. > >Carol > Carol, Thanks for the suggestion. The problem is they both died in 1856, so the 1850 is the only census I have to go on. I've also checked county histories, etc., but they don't say anything about Delaware. I'm not real good with my history, but think parts of DE and PA were interchangeable back then. I mean, I think the border counties probably changed and the part that they called Delaware might have been in PA a few years later. Anyway, I'm still working on this problem, so I appreciate any ideas anyone might have. Thank you,

Hi-- I don't have your original letter in from of me to know the state & county your ancestors were in in 1850. However, have you checked deeds where they may have purchased land where you found them? Sometimes a deed will mention "George Brinker of (name of the county he is moving from)". Also, don't put your faith in the list of state born. I had an ancestor who say he was born in TN in one census, and VA in another census!!! Have you checked him in the census indexes for several states in 1840? The surrounding state census indexes would be a place to start. I don't know where you are writing from, so I don't know what is available to you. Good luck!!!!! Jeanne Orange VA ---------- > From: carol wilson <cjwilson@win.bright.net> > To: CDean46561@aol.com > Cc: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BRINKER, George b 1786 & MILLER, Catherine b 1768 > Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 4:38 PM > > At 09:33 AM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Carol: Suggest you go on to the 1860 census and see what it says because > >sometimes they would give where they used to live as birth place i.e. I am > >from Delaware and that is what the census taker put. A different time, and > >different census taker might yield different results. Then as a double check > >1870 census. Then go backwards again. > > > >Carol > > > > Carol, > Thanks for the suggestion. The problem is they both died in 1856, so the > 1850 is the only census I have to go on. I've also checked county > histories, etc., but they don't say anything about Delaware. I'm not real > good with my history, but think parts of DE and PA were interchangeable back > then. I mean, I think the border counties probably changed and the part > that they called Delaware might have been in PA a few years later. Anyway, > I'm still working on this problem, so I appreciate any ideas anyone might have. > > Thank you, >

Carol: Suggest you go on to the 1860 census and see what it says because sometimes they would give where they used to live as birth place i.e. I am from Delaware and that is what the census taker put. A different time, and different census taker might yield different results. Then as a double check 1870 census. Then go backwards again. Carol

Hello, Please excuse me for posting this here, but the 1850 census says these people were from "Del", and I cannot find these names in Delaware. :) Need father of George BRINKER, born 4 Jan 1786, in "Del", (according to 1850 Pickaway Co, OH census), but unable to find any trace of this name there. His mother was Catherine MILLER, born 1768, also in "Del", daughter of Frederic MILLER. Was it was Delaware Co, PA? (Not found in Delaware Co, OH, either). A possible father for George is a Hans Conrath BRINKER, from the line of immigrant Andreas. Hans had a son George who married a BITTIG ("my" George married Mary SHOPE/SWOPE), and the birthdate is a little off. If anyone has BRINKER's or MILLER's that might fit, please help! Carol Jones Wilson Rt 1 Box 139 Mason, WI 54856 cjwilson@win.bright.net Don't be like the man whose cat was run over by a train -- Standing there with a long puss...

At 10:42 PM 7/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >(PART SNIPPED) On 30 MAR >1837, he married Eliza Jones, daughter of Thomas Jones. She was born on 29 >OCT 1816. The marriage is recorded in Loudoun Co. VA. records. (MORE SNIPPED) > >If you have any information about Lacey Peyton; Elizabeth Peyton, his >mother; ??? Peyton, his father; Eliza Jones daughter of Thomas Jones; Thomas >Jones and his wife; Nancy Purcell, Lacey's 2nd wife; or Catherine Monroe, >Lacey's 3rd wife; I would be interested in hearing from you. > >Thanks. > >Gene Peyton >Norfolk, Virginia > Gene, I have an ELiza JONES, born 1816. She is the daughter of a Thomas JONES. How can we determine if these are the same? Do you have any further information on the children of Thomas? Gene, In looking through my files, I found a group sheet that shows my Eliza's death in 1820.(I have her birthdate as 1816). Unfortunately, I had neglected to enter this into my PAF database. So, I guess I have sent you a false alarm, unless my information about her date of death is also incorrect. I have no documentation for much of this family, as it came from a family researcher who died in the 1960's who did not give sources for everything. I have a lot of work to do before I can prove much of what I have. I'm VERY sorry if this has caused you any problems. I'm just glad I found that group sheet before I sent you all of my information and really led you on a "wild goose chase". Best of luck in your search,

>From the book COLONIAL CLERGY OF MARYLAND, DELAWARE, AND GEORGIA: Elisha Thomas, born Caermarthen, Wales, 1674; arrived in America September 8, 1701; settled Pencader Hundred, Delaware, Welsh Tract Church, July 25 1725-1730; Baptist; died Welsh Tract, Delaware, November 7, 1730. Owen Thomas, born Gwrdodllys, Cilmanllwyd, Pembroke, Wales, 1692; came to America 1707; settled Pencader Hundred, Delaware, Welsh Tract Church, 1740-May 27, 1748; Newlin, PA, Hephzibah Church, 1748-1759; Yellow Springs, Maryland, 1748-1760; Vincent, PA 1748-1760; Baptist, died Vincent, PA November 12, 1760, aged 68. I have a line of Eatons who belonged to this group of Welsh Baptists, so if you come across any of them please let me know. charla in nj Charla Marchione marchpubs@juno.com On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:32:39 -0600 "Andrei Z. and Karen L. Austin" <austinaz@wt.net> writes: >Does anyone have any information on Owen THOMAS, b. ca. 1730 possibly >New >Castle Co, Delaware, married Mary ___ probably in Frederick/Augusta >Co, VA, >and died 1769 Orange Co, NC? One source says his father was probably >a >Lewis THOMAS b. ca. 1705 who lived on Back Creek in Old Frederick Co, >VA. >Owen had a brother named James THOMAS, and may have also had a brother >named John Giles THOMAS. Any help on this line would be very much >appreciated. > >Karen Austin > >---------------- >Andrei Z. Austin and Karen L. Austin >Email: austinaz@wt.net >URL: http://web.wt.net/~austinaz/ > > >

Looking for information on John COURTNEY m. Sareh RICE 1794 Frederick Co. Va.. Thanks, Jim jcourtne@mail.coin.missouri.edu

I am looking for information about AMOS FISHER who married LUCINDA SUPINGER in 1831 in Shenandoah County, Virginia. Later moved to Fredricks Co., Virginia and married Sara Oran in 1845. Eventually moved to the Cumberland area of Maryland till his death in the 1890's. I have the list of some of his children from his second marriage as I a direct decentant of his son Cyrus Henry FISHER. Amos was a gun-smith by trade. Any additional information if welcomed.

Looking for parents of Simeon (b:1815) and Christina (b:abt 1811) COMER both born in Page Co, VA. I have both of their down-lines but currently have them with the wrong parents - John & Mary Jane (MITCHELL) COMER. John & Mary weren't married until 1824 - so you see my problem. I also have S & C's partial upline beginning with Christopher(Keiner) COMER (KOMER/KOOMER - thanks to Tom Neal in Maryland) and his son Michael who married Catherine (?) and they had Michael(b: 1755, VA), Augustus(+)(b:23 Jul 1757, Rapidan River, VA), Phillip(m: Elizabeth WISE)), Elizabeth, Julia/Judith(m: James Parks, 1781, VA), Christopher, John(b: 1765, VA), Catherine, Daniel (m: Elizabeth PENCE, 28 Feb 1786, VA), and Samuel. + Augustus died 23 Jul 1824, Monroe Co, VA, m:Catherine RUSH on 23 Apr 1782, Shenandoah Co, VA. They had 6 sons/4 dau. Anything someone can do to help shed light on this will be greatly appreciated. I have Simeon (my line) & Christina's (Evilsizer) down-lines to the present (probably about +/- 95%). Amy more than willing to share. God Bless - Barry.

Dear Carol, I hope you do not mind that I am also sending this response to the entire Old Frederick list, but I thought something might be of interest to others. A quick check of the index of marriage records of Pickaway Co., OH shows the following: Stumpf, Jacob S. m. Brinker, Sarah 3/24/1849 Also of possible interest are these other entries for Stump and Brinker: Stump, Jacob m. Bailey, Elizabeth 1/23/18434 Stump, Jacob m. Howard, Elizabeth 3/16/1841 Stump, James m. Renick, Cynthia 1/27/1835 Stump, William m. Reichelderfer, Elizabeth 9/13/1819 Stumpf, O. m. Steel, Elizabeth 12/18/1856 Stumpff, Alfred m. Glasscock, Margaret 2/5/1861 Stumpff, J. m. McCarty, Matilda 2/27/1862 Brinker, Catharine E. m. McBride, C.B. 6/29/1856 Brinker, Elizabeth m. Compton, Jonathan 3/17/1850 Brinker, Frances m. Ashbrooke, Absalom 9/12/1858 Brinker, Lavina m. Warren, Nelson 8/15/1849 Brinker, Mary m. Schoonover, John 11/28/1840 Brinker, Susannah m. Messmore, David 11/18/1845 A will recap done by the DAR shows: Vol. 3/228 Stump, Jacob 12/4/1858 Mentions son Solomon and daughters Lydia Celoph, widow, Susannah, wife of George Hoy, Mary, wife of Andrew Greenawalt, Elizabeth, wife of Andrew Hoy, Magdalene, wife of David Maul, Sarah, wife of Daniel Zuck, Christine, wife of Joseph Weaver, Anna Hock, a widow and Catherine, wife of Isaac Weaver and their daughter Maria Weaver . Hope this is helpful. Joe McNemar pumpkin_head@msn.com Circleville, OH / They that wait upon the Lord shall \\\' ' / // renew their strength; They shall \\\// _/ // mount up with wings as eagles; they \_-//' / //<' shall run, and not be weary; and \ /// <//' they shall walk, and not faint. / >> \\\' Isa. 40:31 /,)-^>> _\ (/ \\ / \\\ // //\\\ ((' Original message: Hello, Thank you for the offer on Pickaway Co. Right now, I'm looking for information on a Jacob STUMP, probably born around 1815-1820. He married (where?) Sarah BRINKER who was born in Pickaway Co on 13 Mar 1827, a daughter of George BRINKER and Mary SHOPE/SWOPE. I may have something in the future that I need help with. I have a couple of "dead ends" in your county. Carol Jones Wilson Rt 1 Box 139 Mason, WI 54856 cjwilson@win.bright.net

Am looking for George Renner and Barbary Renner (husband and wife) est. dob before 1750 who supposedly came from Frederick CO. VA. I trace from their son Barnet b. 1781, died 1866 in Greene Co. PA. Other children were: John dob 1773, Mary, Peter, Margaret, Adam, George, Catherine, Isaac, Barbary, Madelina and Abraham. Could you check your sources. Thank you very much. Rebecca Snyder Bromley

Attempting to trace the John J. Cooper family. John J. COOPER, born 1813 in VA, possibly Shenandoah Co., married Mary HINKINS from the Mulberry Run area in Shenandoah Co., in 1833. Unable to locate family until 1848 in the Personal Property Tax List for Monongalia County, VA(WV). If you have any info or suggestions for finding these families, please contact me. Thanks, Edith Cooper Shaver ecshaver@westco.net Also searching for BUCKLEW, MESSENGER, SISLER AND MCGINNIS in Preston County, WV. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

At 09:56 PM 7/22/97 EDT, you wrote: >Would your book show people migrating also into Guernsey, Noble and/or >Monroe counties around that period? James Robinson and wife, Mary >Cavender migrated out of VA into PA for a short time and ended in s.e. >Ohio mid to late 1820s > >Thanks > >Cathy Robinson Wilmot-- > Hi. From the book "Highland Pioneer Sketches & Family Genealogies" by Elsie Johnson Ayres. Found the following on ROBINSON, no info on CAVENDER: Page 252-253 ROBINSONS-VETERANS OF THE REVOLUTION Thomas and Louis Robinson arrived in America from Ireland in time to fight for Liberty during the Revolution. Louis lived in the Mowrystown area and at the time of his death was interred in the local cemetery. No trace of a monument could be found for his wife. Thomas, born in 1754, died in Highland County at the age of ninety-eight years. He was buried in the Baptist Cemetery in New Market. In 1800, he and his wife Nancy McMillan, brought their family to New Market. They settled on land granted him for his services in the Revolution. It was located on 400 acres two miles northwest of the village, on the trace leading to Hillsboro. Thomas Robinson was twice married. He was the father of Susan; George; Elizabeth; Jane; William; Sidney; Adams; Robert; Nancy; Sally; and Polly Robinson. William Robinson of Madison Twp. was a brother of Thomas and Lewis Robinson. It was from William Robinson that the eminent Dr. William Robinson Smith of Hillsboro received his name. The family were from Pennsylvania and Virginia. A beautifully scrolled, gold stem-wind watch, inscribed with William Robinson's name, now nearly two hundred years old, is in the possession of the author. It belonged to William Robinson, grandfather of the numerous sons who settled in our area. Thomas Robinson served as a captain during the War of 1812. His sons, George and William, also served in the same conflict. George, born in PA in 1790, married Margaret Hunter, daughter of another soldier of the Revolution. He died in 1860 and his wife, Margaret, born in 1783, died Apr 10, 1849. Their children were George, Jr., 1814-1892, married Jane, daughter of Alexander and Elizabeth Morrow. They were the parents of seven children. The other children of George and Margaret (Hunter) Robinson were Thomas; Robert; John; Nancy; and Margaret Robinson. After the death of his parents, George Robinson took over the family farm which remained in the Robinson name for over a century. Lines, son of George Jr. and Jane Robinson, born in 1841, was one of the first men to enlist in the Union Army. He was a member of Co. H, 1st Reg., O.V.I. Page 274 Hannah, a sister of James Washburn, Sr., married William Robinson. He was a brother of Lewis and Thomas Robinson, veterans of the Revolution. William and Hannah (Washburn) Robinson were the parents of Joseph, 1789; Charles, 1792; Jacob, 1794; Ann, 1796; Henry, 1798; Christian, 1801; Margaret, 1803; William, Jr., 1806; and Mary Robinson, born in 1808. Page 631 David Pulliam...His wife was Isabelle Surber...Their son, George W. Pulliam, born in 1849, married Lucy, daughter of Henry Robinson. The Robinsons lived near Alum Cliffs in Ross Co. and were related to William Robinson of Madison Twp. and to Lewis and Thomas Robinson, who were all soldiers of the Revolution. Page 702 In 1840, Abner and Nicholas Robinson started clearing land on Hayes Survey No. 2,377. Page 810-811 Joseph Robinson of Kent Co., Del., died Aug 20, 1798. In his will he mentioned his wife, Elizabeth, and sons, George; John; William; and daughters, Deborah; Rebecca; Martha; and Margaret (Foreacres). William Robinson, Feb 6, 1765-Feb 23, 1825, his wife, Hannah, and their nine children, John and Henry Fouracres and their families, emigrated to Brush Creek Twp. at an early date. The old Robinson farm contains the burial ground of several members of the families of William Robinson and John and Margit (Robinson) Fourakers. William Robinson settled on land granted for his services in the Revolution. The private burial ground contains the graves of William and Hannah Robinson and their nine children-Joseph, born Feb 20, 1789; Charles, Mar 30, 1792; Jacob, June 3, 1794. Charles and Jacob were bound out when very young to Moleston Curry for six years; Ann, Nov 25, 1796; Henry, Dec 28, 1798; Christian, Jan 31, 1801; Margit (old spelling of the name Margaret), Nov 11, 1803; William, Jr., Mar 10, 1806; and Mary Ann Robinson, Jan 26, 1808. Hope this helps. Bobbi estle@fuse.net