You are here talking about the guild system where several boys would often live with the master who was in charge of their apprenticeship and this is a very different thing to the pauper apprentices scheme. These apprentices would travel up the guild system becoming masters themselves eventually. Styal was quite a small apprentice house compared with Mellor for instance and only a few miles away but both in rural settings. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] low pay, 1812 > In message <000001c41b55$26e79da0$5ae04d51@lynhome>, Lyn Boothman > <annys@boothman27.fsnet.co.uk> writes > >Audrey > >I'm not so sure about pauper apprentices and 'apprentice houses'. I've > >never heard of an apprentice house, is it an urban thing > > It is just a Styal mill etc thing, for a special use of papuer children. > Greg of Styal housed his lads decently, fed, clothed, saw to their moral > welfare and even a biot of education. Some of the others shovelled the > boys into a shed with straw for bedding and turfed them out when the > recession came. Normally, there were no ' > houses' for apprentices since they didn't come in bulk > > The parish > >apprenticeships I have seen involve the parish paying the master to feed > >and support the apprentice, albeit at a very low rate. > > One requirement was that he had to supply regular clothing - and you > know how boys grow between 14 and 21 - and at the end of the > apprenticeship 'double apparel' meaning a work suit and a Sunday one. > > -- > Eve McLaughlin > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > SEARCHABLE archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >

In message <003b01c41bae$87c1c8e0$17cdfc3e@oemcomputer>, "norman.lee1" <norman.lee1@virgin.net> writes >You are here talking about the guild system where several boys would often >live with the master who was in charge of their apprenticeship and this is a >very different thing to the pauper apprentices scheme. Not outside Lancashire, it isn't -the textile trades were largely outside the normal systems of apprenticeship and the lads were cheap labour rather than proper trade apprentices. 'Houses' are not normal elsewhere. And the 'guild system' is a mediaeval concept. Pauper apprentices were governed by exactly the same rules as ordinary apprentices, living in with the master, taught the skills and subject to intervention by the magistrates if things went extraordinarily wrong. The only major difference was that a boy whose father paid a large premium would get a bedroom and first go at the interesting jobs and the pauper lad would sleep under the trade counter. Both would have to work through all the processes - just the better off boy would get to them sooner, and also be tolerably sure that when he was fully trained, Daddy might stump up the money to set him up as a master. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society