Sorry List if this has appeared twice - first time I tried it was returned? Kind Regards June & Roy http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Roy [mailto:roy.cox@btinternet.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:30 PM To: 'OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [OEL] The Living? Good Evening Ann - Ah! Godney, not too far from my home at Burnham! What a lively summing up of that ancient place. LIVING: Is an age old term used by the Church of England for BENEFICE. BENEFICE: This is an endowed church office, yielding an income to its holder. In other words, the Vicar's salary At first the incumbent gained his payment for his principle services to the church by what "The Living" of the parish had to give. This was usually by way of the tithe, although he did get extra payments for services rendered, such as approving transcripts of the registers for onward transmission to the Bishop [Hence Bishop's Transcripts], and performing ceremonies outside the normal church services, as it is today of course. Tithes were in two classes - Great and Lesser - The great or Rectorial were tithes of produce, from such things as grow out of the earth, such as corn; and the small [lesser] or Vicarial were tithes of produce from such things as are nourished on the earth, such as cattle, sheep, pigs, eggs, fruit Etc. There is a lot of interesting information on this subject contained in an 1888 book on English Church History [if you can find one!] by Rev. C. Arthur Lane - Kind Regards June & Roy http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Ann Riley [mailto:ariley@mars.ark.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:29 AM To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] The Living? Hello List Being from Canada I find I am not familiar with this term "The Living" I have seen it referred to in other statements. Could someone explain please. E.g.: in this paragraph "GODNEY, a hamlet in the parish of Meare, hundred of Glaston- Twelve- Hides, county Somerset, 5 miles N.W. of Glastonbury, its post town. It is situated on the river Brue. The manor, which consists of above 3,000 acres, was part of the demesne of Glastonbury Abbey. The living is a perpetual curacy in the diocese of Bath and Wells, value £55. The church, dedicated to the Holy Trinity, was erected in 1838 upon the site of a more ancient edifice." From The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868) Transcribed by Colin Hinson © 2003 Thanks, Ann ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== Going away for a while? Don't forget to UNSUBSCRIBE! OLD-ENGLISH-L-request@rootsweb.com

The vicar also had a small sum from each communicant over the age of sixteen. Everyone living in the parish was reckoned to be a communicant so at 6d. each (which the vicar of the parish of Glossop received in the mid 1600s) was quite considerable. Added to this was smoke penny, haypenny as well as every seventh hive (bees), besides those mentioned by Roy below. These 'small' tithes were also called the Easter Tithes as they were due in the parish church every Easter. The rector, in this case, was a lay rector and also lord of the manor. They were Catholics and the major baronetcy in the country, the Dukes of Norfolk (Howard is the family name). They received the great tithes of corn and hay. Of course, these tithes were very quickly commuted to cash payments. You can imagine the size of the farm necessary for the vicar if he were to receive, say, every seventh lamb borne that year, and year in year out, let alone all the other cattle and produce. Just what he would have done with smoke is demonstrated by its name, i.e. commuted from its inception. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <roy.cox@btinternet.com> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: FW: [OEL] The Living? > Sorry List if this has appeared twice - first time I tried it was returned? > > > Kind Regards > > June & Roy > http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy [mailto:roy.cox@btinternet.com] > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:30 PM > To: 'OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com' > Subject: RE: [OEL] The Living? > > Good Evening Ann - > > Ah! Godney, not too far from my home at Burnham! > What a lively summing up of that ancient place. > > LIVING: > Is an age old term used by the Church of England for BENEFICE. > > BENEFICE: > This is an endowed church office, yielding an income to its holder. > > In other words, the Vicar's salary > > At first the incumbent gained his payment for his principle services to the > church by what "The Living" of the parish had to give. This was usually by > way of the tithe, although he did get extra payments for services rendered, > such as approving transcripts of the registers for onward transmission to > the Bishop [Hence Bishop's Transcripts], and performing ceremonies outside > the normal church services, as it is today of course. > > Tithes were in two classes - Great and Lesser - The great or Rectorial were > tithes of produce, from such things as grow out of the earth, such as corn; > and the small [lesser] or Vicarial were tithes of produce from such things > as are nourished on the earth, such as cattle, sheep, pigs, eggs, fruit Etc. > > There is a lot of interesting information on this subject contained in an > 1888 book on English Church History [if you can find one!] by Rev. C. Arthur > Lane - > > > Kind Regards > > June & Roy > http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Riley [mailto:ariley@mars.ark.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:29 AM > To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OEL] The Living? > > Hello List > Being from Canada I find I am not familiar with this term "The Living" I > have seen it referred to in other statements. Could someone explain please. > > E.g.: in this paragraph > "GODNEY, a hamlet in the parish of Meare, hundred of Glaston- Twelve- Hides, > county Somerset, 5 miles N.W. of Glastonbury, its post town. It is situated > on the river Brue. The manor, which consists of above 3,000 acres, was part > of the demesne of Glastonbury Abbey. The living is a perpetual curacy in the > diocese of Bath and Wells, value £55. The church, dedicated to the Holy > Trinity, was erected in 1838 upon the site of a more ancient edifice." From > The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868) Transcribed by > Colin Hinson © 2003 > > Thanks, Ann > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > Going away for a while? > Don't forget to UNSUBSCRIBE! > OLD-ENGLISH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > OLD-ENGLISH Web Page > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > >