Hey, my son is John BARTON! Ruth At 9:40 AM +1200 7/18/04, Hez Lander wrote: >I missed earlier mail on this, but an interesting case is the Montagu arms; >argent, three fusils in fesse. A fesse is slightly fatter (more >rhombus-shaped) than a lozenge. Even then, in fesse (a conjoined row) they >are usually termed lozenges; but the Montagu arms are an exception. >My wife's 2gtgrandfather, Rev. Octavius Freire Owen, born 1816, had a >bookplate with the Owen arms quartered with Travers impaled per pale with >those of his wife, Emily Montague. (Montagu quartered with Stephens). Maybe >this entitles us to patent the sandwich or lay claim to the Sandwich isles >(Hawaii), since they derive from Lord John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich! >Does anyone know how heraldically valid such victorian bookplates are likely >to be? Were they occasionally fudged a bit? > >John Barton -- Ruth Barton mrgjb@sover.net Dummerston, VT