In July 1827 James LOVEGROVE married Hester BAUGHEN in Bushey, Herts. On Christmas Day 1825 (!) their daughter had been baptised in Aylesbury, Bucks: Elizabeth Lovegrove BOFFIN. By the way, I have frequently seen "dafter" for daughter in 17th century Berkshire wills. I can only presume this is how it was pronounced, i.e. with an intrusive "F" after a long vowel. Historically oif course the "gh" was a guttural consonant similar to the "ch" in Scottish "loch" cf. the Dutch word for daughter: "dochter". SANDRA LOVEGROVE Researching LOVEGROVEs in all places and at all times. Please do visit the LOVEGROVE Information Centre on http://www.lovegrove.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Joyce" <Jenny.Joyce@Sun.COM> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 March 2004 00:19 Subject: Re: [OEL] Was there an abreviation of "ugh" > I have also seen daughter written "dafter" and I assumed it to be a > phonetic spelling, indicating that the pronunication of the word by the > writer was not the same as our modern one. English is such a weird > language with a mish-mash of pronunications - just look at plough and > rough - with no rules as to which local dialect version won out and > became the "standard" > > Eve McLaughlin wrote: > > > > > > >I am trying to get it right. When transcribing parish registers for 1500/1600s I > > >have come across the word "daughter" looking like the word "dafter". > > That is so - quite common. You might think that some people were being a > > mite too clever, assuming a pronunciation from reading, because other > > aught words were pronounced f. (draught for one and Woughton in Bucks is > > pronounced Wuffton (though nearby Loughton is pronounced Low (like cow) > > ton) But this does seem a little far fetched. The name must simply have > > been pronounced 'aft' at one time, since the surname Dafter occurs. > > Strange, isn't it? The sort of similar sound 'dahter or darter' is also > > found in speech. > > > > -- > > Eve McLaughlin > > > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society > > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > > To contact the list administrator: > > OLD-ENGLISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ______________________________