In message <016701c40fb7$53eadff0$c201a8c0@Carlasp4>, 1carla <cbodette@wi.rr.com> writes >Since the discussion has turned to "farmer" and his leasees/lease holders. >Perhaps I could ask about the terms cottar cottar is a very early mediaeval term for a serf on a manor holding a relatively small amount of land (provided by the lord in return for work services. He had less than a villein and probably more than a bordar (who could increase his by breaking new land in the waste). The land at that stage would have been returned to the lord on death, for reallocation. After a time, the custom became to let the son take over what his father had worked, but this was a privilege, not a right. a crofter, largely a Scottish term. held a small piece of tenanted land enclosed from the moors, often broken by himself, in the early days, and the small homestead was usually central to the patch. Crofters paid rent and the great complaint was that they were not compensated for imporvements or given security of tenure. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

What 's the difference between a cottar and a cottager? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] tenants rights > In message <016701c40fb7$53eadff0$c201a8c0@Carlasp4>, 1carla > <cbodette@wi.rr.com> writes > >Since the discussion has turned to "farmer" and his leasees/lease holders. > >Perhaps I could ask about the terms cottar > cottar is a very early mediaeval term for a serf on a manor holding a > relatively small amount of land (provided by the lord in return for work > services. He had less than a villein and probably more than a bordar > (who could increase his by breaking new land in the waste). The land at > that stage would have been returned to the lord on death, for > reallocation. After a time, the custom became to let the son take over > what his father had worked, but this was a privilege, not a right. > > a crofter, largely a Scottish term. held a small piece of tenanted land > enclosed from the moors, often broken by himself, in the early days, and > the small homestead was usually central to the patch. Crofters paid > rent and the great complaint was that they were not compensated for > imporvements or given security of tenure. > > -- > Eve McLaughlin > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > SEARCHABLE archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >

In message <006601c41043$b8808460$ebcefc3e@oemcomputer>, "norman.lee1" <norman.lee1@virgin.net> writes >What 's the difference between a cottar and a cottager? about 500-=700 years - the term cottager is rarely used before the C19, when it referred to someone owning (or occasionally renting long term) a cottage with a large garden, enough room to grow produce or keep-say- chickens -enough to support his family and from time to time sell the surplus, but not big enough to count as a market gardener or husbandman. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

What about squatters in relation to the waste? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] tenants rights > In message <006601c41043$b8808460$ebcefc3e@oemcomputer>, "norman.lee1" > <norman.lee1@virgin.net> writes > >What 's the difference between a cottar and a cottager? > about 500-=700 years - the term cottager is rarely used before the C19, > when it referred to someone owning (or occasionally renting long term) a > cottage with a large garden, enough room to grow produce or keep-say- > chickens -enough to support his family and from time to time sell the > surplus, but not big enough to count as a market gardener or husbandman. > > -- > Eve McLaughlin > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > THREADED archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >