Can you tell me about the word "disasseised"? I find this expression, along with its opposite "asseised" in indentures and other documents passing land between one person and another. It all seems to be quite legal with no suggestion of forcibly depriving anyone of their property. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pott" <davpott@hotmail.com> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] DISSIEZED > Disseisin- wrongfully depriving someone of seisein. > > From Bristow also Hey. > > David Pott > > KFHS 8776 > The Beaver Inn, Ashford, Kent. > > The Elmsted site http://members.lycos.co.uk/elmsted/index.html > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > THREADED archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >

In message <004601c4792f$a2cd3dc0$d5ccfc3e@oemcomputer>, "norman.lee1" <norman.lee1@virgin.net> writes >Can you tell me about the word "disasseised"? I find this expression, along >with its opposite "asseised" in indentures and other documents passing land >between one person and another. It all seems to be quite legal with no >suggestion of forcibly depriving anyone of their property. just disseised is normal. And a charge of nouvel disseisin kept the lawyers happy for ages. It did then mean illegal deprivation -as by thieves or bad barons, BUT the same thing was later done by agreement, to cover a sale which had been arranged. You were not supposed to sell land without permission, and paying fees, so the fiction was agreed of a common recovery. X sold property ABC to Y, and the money was held by S and T. Y then claimed that his ancestor really owned ABC all along and X/s ancestor had pinched it. X said what a load of ... rubbish and he could prove his rights, with evidence from two men, John Doe and Richard Roe. Y said wheel them on. So a while later, X and Y went to court and called for JD and RR to appear - which of course, they did not, being fictitious. Judge then said Y had proved his case, and ABC was his. S and T then handed over the money to X, received a small fee, and everyone was happy. In land transfer, you tend to get that prop[erty was owned by Joe Bloggs who died seised of (description) and his heirs was Fred Bloggs > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Thanks Eve I'd forgotten about the fiction that went with entry and exit fines, especially daft when you consider that these had to be paid upon inheritance of a tenancy or leasehold. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> To: "norman.lee1" <norman.lee1@virgin.net> Cc: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] DISSIEZED > In message <004601c4792f$a2cd3dc0$d5ccfc3e@oemcomputer>, "norman.lee1" > <norman.lee1@virgin.net> writes > >Can you tell me about the word "disasseised"? I find this expression, along > >with its opposite "asseised" in indentures and other documents passing land > >between one person and another. It all seems to be quite legal with no > >suggestion of forcibly depriving anyone of their property. > just disseised is normal. And a charge of nouvel disseisin kept the > lawyers happy for ages. It did then mean illegal deprivation -as by > thieves or bad barons, BUT the same thing was later done by agreement, > to cover a sale which had been arranged. You were not supposed to sell > land without permission, and paying fees, so the fiction was agreed of a > common recovery. X sold property ABC to Y, and the money was held by S > and T. Y then claimed that his ancestor really owned ABC all along and > X/s ancestor had pinched it. X said what a load of ... rubbish and he > could prove his rights, with evidence from two men, John Doe and Richard > Roe. Y said wheel them on. So a while later, X and Y went to court and > called for JD and RR to appear - which of course, they did not, being > fictitious. Judge then said Y had proved his case, and ABC was his. S > and T then handed over the money to X, received a small fee, and > everyone was happy. > In land transfer, you tend to get that prop[erty was owned by Joe > Bloggs who died seised of (description) and his heirs was Fred Bloggs > > > > -- > Eve McLaughlin > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society