Good Morning - Sounds like gold or silver to me - [Fourteen thousand and twenty eight o??nces] ounces? I think this may be TROY weight used for these minerals, but 'tazi' doesn't make sense. Grains are used in this measure and that of Apothecaries. Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher M Richards Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [OEL] 1861 will problems This is the will of Benjamin Ingham, made in Palermo in 1861 and proved there but then proved again in London in 1871. This is from the London copy. The extract reads: Article 6 I give and bequeath to Don Frederico Ascenso e Spadafora Duke of Santa Rosalia another son of my said Wife by her first husband and to the said Don Gar??olo and Don Domenico Ascenso e Spadafora the sun of Fourteen thousand and twenty eight o??nces ten tazi and ten grains (?) in the proportion between them as hereinafter stated and with right of ------ ------ between them in case that any one cannot or will not accept the present legacy and with the positive prohibition of not being susceptible of ?????? not assignment nor even of being ?????ed. to wit ??? first ??? Duke of Santa Rosalia the sum of four thousand /Ounces/ in usufruct only to be enjoyed for the whole term of his natural life the Ownership in reversion I give and bequeath to his daughter Donna Francesca Ascenso Duchess of ______ wife of Don The extract is posted at: http://www.cmr1chards.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/transcription.htm My main question is what the currency is? By 1861 The Bourbon Kingdom of the Two Sicilies had been defeated by Garibaldi but the will states that it was the will of Benjamin Ingham resident of Palermo in the Kingdom of the two Sicilies so he is probably still using the curency of the that Kingdom. Google hasn't helped so far with this. Christopher Richards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 27/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 27/10/2006
I had a further thought - translated Ounce into Italian "Oncia" and then found this via Google: The Kingdom of Two Sicilies was formed by the merger of the Kingdom of Sicily and the Kingdom of Naples on December 8, 1816. Before 1800, Sicily had used the Oncia (XITO) as their unit of account from the 1500s until occupation by France in 1806. The Oncia was divisible into 2.5 Scudi, 5 Fiorini, 30 Tari, 60 Carlini, 450 Ponti, 600 Grani or 3600 Piccioli. Naples had relied on the Ducato (XITD) as its unit of account from the 1500s until the 1800s. The Ducato was divisible into 5 Tarini, 10 Carlini, 40 Cinquini, 100 Grani, 200 Tornesi, 300 Quatrini, 600 Piccioli or 1200 Denari So what I thought was tazi is actually tari. Unlike oncia and grani it doesn't have an English equivalent so it wasn't translated. Christopher Roy wrote: > Good Morning - > > Sounds like gold or silver to me - [Fourteen thousand and twenty eight > o??nces] ounces? > > I think this may be TROY weight used for these minerals, but 'tazi' doesn't > make sense. > > Grains are used in this measure and that of Apothecaries. > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and > www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher M > Richards > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] 1861 will problems > > This is the will of Benjamin Ingham, made in Palermo in 1861 and proved > there but then proved again in London in 1871. This is from the London copy. > The extract reads: > > Article 6 > > I give and bequeath to Don Frederico Ascenso e Spadafora Duke of Santa > Rosalia another son of my said Wife by her first husband and to the said Don > Gar??olo and Don Domenico Ascenso e Spadafora the sun of Fourteen thousand > and twenty eight o??nces ten tazi and ten grains (?) in the proportion > between them as hereinafter stated and with right of ------ > ------ between them in case that any one cannot or will not accept the > present legacy and with the positive prohibition of not being susceptible of > ?????? not assignment nor even of being ?????ed. to wit ??? first ??? Duke > of Santa Rosalia the sum of four thousand /Ounces/ in usufruct only to be > enjoyed for the whole term of his natural life the Ownership in reversion I > give and bequeath to his daughter Donna Francesca Ascenso Duchess of ______ > wife of Don > > The extract is posted at: > http://www.cmr1chards.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/transcription.htm > > My main question is what the currency is? By 1861 The Bourbon Kingdom of > the Two Sicilies had been defeated by Garibaldi but the will states that it > was the will of Benjamin Ingham resident of Palermo in the Kingdom of the > two Sicilies so he is probably still using the curency of the that Kingdom. > Google hasn't helped so far with this. > > Christopher Richards > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 27/10/2006 > > >
That’s excellent - Had the - "Denari" - the same value I wonder as we sometimes see in early English wills? Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher M Richards Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OEL] 1861 will problems I had a further thought - translated Ounce into Italian "Oncia" and then found this via Google: The Kingdom of Two Sicilies was formed by the merger of the Kingdom of Sicily and the Kingdom of Naples on December 8, 1816. Before 1800, Sicily had used the Oncia (XITO) as their unit of account from the 1500s until occupation by France in 1806. The Oncia was divisible into 2.5 Scudi, 5 Fiorini, 30 Tari, 60 Carlini, 450 Ponti, 600 Grani or 3600 Piccioli. Naples had relied on the Ducato (XITD) as its unit of account from the 1500s until the 1800s. The Ducato was divisible into 5 Tarini, 10 Carlini, 40 Cinquini, 100 Grani, 200 Tornesi, 300 Quatrini, 600 Piccioli or 1200 Denari So what I thought was tazi is actually tari. Unlike oncia and grani it doesn't have an English equivalent so it wasn't translated. Christopher Roy wrote: > Good Morning - > > Sounds like gold or silver to me - [Fourteen thousand and twenty > eight o??nces] ounces? > > I think this may be TROY weight used for these minerals, but 'tazi' > doesn't make sense. > > Grains are used in this measure and that of Apothecaries. > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and > www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original > Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher M > Richards > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 11:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] 1861 will problems > > This is the will of Benjamin Ingham, made in Palermo in 1861 and > proved there but then proved again in London in 1871. This is from the London copy. > The extract reads: > > Article 6 > > I give and bequeath to Don Frederico Ascenso e Spadafora Duke of Santa > Rosalia another son of my said Wife by her first husband and to the > said Don Gar??olo and Don Domenico Ascenso e Spadafora the sun of > Fourteen thousand and twenty eight o??nces ten tazi and ten grains (?) > in the proportion between them as hereinafter stated and with right of > ------ > ------ between them in case that any one cannot or will not accept the > present legacy and with the positive prohibition of not being > susceptible of ?????? not assignment nor even of being ?????ed. to wit > ??? first ??? Duke of Santa Rosalia the sum of four thousand /Ounces/ > in usufruct only to be enjoyed for the whole term of his natural life > the Ownership in reversion I give and bequeath to his daughter Donna > Francesca Ascenso Duchess of ______ wife of Don > > The extract is posted at: > http://www.cmr1chards.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/transcription.htm > > My main question is what the currency is? By 1861 The Bourbon Kingdom > of the Two Sicilies had been defeated by Garibaldi but the will states > that it was the will of Benjamin Ingham resident of Palermo in the > Kingdom of the two Sicilies so he is probably still using the curency of the that Kingdom. > Google hasn't helped so far with this. > > Christopher Richards > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: > 27/10/2006 > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 27/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 27/10/2006