Thanks for this Judith - The origin of the Irish (and maybe the Scots?) seems to be shrouded in mystery somewhat, but a Google search on Scotti was a little revealing, part of which I copied for the group. The subject has been researched by several and I may have given the wrong impression as to the use of SCOTTI which according to this web site - http://www.postroman.info/scotti.html - is: - "Classical writers used the term Scotti to describe Gaelic speakers from Ireland and western Scotland." Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: Judith Werner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:11 PM To: ROY COX Subject: Re: [OEL] origin of saint's name It's okay on line, Roy. The original query was a little off-topic but the discussion has wandered in the right direction. Judith Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH | | As far as the name ELPHIN is concerned, the time scale was in St Patrick's era whereas the earliest instance of Scott I have is c.1124 with Uchtred filius Scot in Selkirk. | | Perhaps we might carry on this discussion outside of the group as it seems to be a little of topic now? or is it?