Hi, Martyn --- Thank you! I've posted the document and your transcription at: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&medialinkID=1462 I confess to being at a loss as to who this Mary might be. She died in 1595, and her will indicates her husband was William and her son was Thomas. "Our" William --- with the 1614 will y'all so kindly helped me translate last week --- was married, at least at the time of his death, to Edith: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0840&tree=Walsh And Edith's "lawful and natural son" was John, born (we believe) between 1590 and 1610. So if Edith was married to "our" William in this period, Mary couldn't have been married to him (her death was 1595). William's father, Thomas, had other children who's first names we don't know: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0888&tree=Walsh Perhaps another William? Seems strange and unlikely. A project for the near future is to try to find the parish records for this period, if they still exist, and try to decipher how these people connected to one another. Please let me know if you have corrections, changes, etc., to the transcription now posted on the website. Yes, this is a great list with incredibly helpful folks. Thanks again. Kind regards, Craig Craig W Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY ***************************************************************** t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 In the United States: 888-880-1531 See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net ***************************************************************** From: mjcl [mailto:mjcl111@googlemail.com] Sent: 28 February 2009 15:37 To: Craig Walsh Subject: Re: [OEL] The Crumpler Wills Hi Craig, I have attached my first attempt ..... Mary Crumplehere's will of July 1595. You probably saw my comments to Liz Agar. So she should be posting her own efforts as I suggested. I'm not going to bulldoze through this one and will do alternate documents as I suggested to her. I would ask that you post my effort for all to see as you did Eusebeia's. That way other learn and I get my errors corrected!!. By now you have found out what a great bunch are on this list! And I'm sure that Judith Werner, who looks after the list. will be over the moon as this was the objective of the list when set up! All the best, Martyn Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Hi Craig, I checked the LDS library catalog for records and found the info below. Your county records office probably has a copy, also, assuming that is where the parish records are archived now. The parish records were not listed so you may have to make do with the Bishop's Transcript. Hope this helps. Bob Newton Los Angeles, Cal. ****************************************************** Title: Bishop's transcripts for Winterborne-Kingston., 1580-1880 Authors: Church of England. Parish Church of Winterborne-Kingston (Dorsetshire). (Main Author) Notes: Microfilm of original at Wiltshire County Record Office, Trowbridge. High reduction film (42X); use high magnification reader. Subjects: England, Dorset, Winterborne-Kingston - Church records Format: Manuscript (On Film) Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1986 Physical: on 2 microfilm reels ; 16 mm. Film Notes: Note - Location [Film] Bundles 1-4: baptisms and burials 1580-1846, marriages 1580-1836. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1239259 Items 18-21 ] Bundle 5: baptisms and burials 1847-1880. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1239260 Item 1 ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Walsh" <craig@hmdp.com> To: "mjcl" <mjcl111@googlemail.com> Cc: <davidmichael_uk@yahoo.co.uk>; <old-english@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] The Crumpler Wills > Hi, Martyn --- > > Thank you! > > I've posted the document and your transcription at: > > http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&medialinkID=1462 > > I confess to being at a loss as to who this Mary might be. She died in > 1595, and her will indicates her husband was William and her son was > Thomas. > > "Our" William --- with the 1614 will y'all so kindly helped me translate > last week --- was married, at least at the time of his death, to Edith: > > http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0840&tree=Walsh > > And Edith's "lawful and natural son" was John, born (we believe) between > 1590 and 1610. So if Edith was married to "our" William in this period, > Mary couldn't have been married to him (her death was 1595). > > William's father, Thomas, had other children who's first names we don't > know: > > http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0888&tree=Walsh > > Perhaps another William? Seems strange and unlikely. > > A project for the near future is to try to find the parish records for > this period, if they still exist, and try to decipher how these people > connected to one another. > > Please let me know if you have corrections, changes, etc., to the > transcription now posted on the website. > > Yes, this is a great list with incredibly helpful folks. Thanks again. > > Kind regards, > > Craig > > Craig W Walsh > Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY > ***************************************************************** > t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 > In the United States: 888-880-1531 > See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch > Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net > ***************************************************************** > > From: mjcl [mailto:mjcl111@googlemail.com] > Sent: 28 February 2009 15:37 > To: Craig Walsh > Subject: Re: [OEL] The Crumpler Wills > > Hi Craig, > > I have attached my first attempt ..... Mary Crumplehere's will of July > 1595. You probably saw my comments to Liz Agar. So she should be posting > her own efforts as I suggested. I'm not going to bulldoze through this one > and will do alternate documents as I suggested to her. > I would ask that you post my effort for all to see as you did Eusebeia's. > That way other learn and I get my errors corrected!!. > By now you have found out what a great bunch are on this list! And I'm > sure that Judith Werner, who looks after the list. will be over the moon > as this was the objective of the list when set up! > > All the best, > > Martyn > > > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice > This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or > organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and > confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you > must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you > have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible > and delete it and any attached files from your system. > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Robert --- Thanks for the information about the location of the Winterborne Kingston parish records. It's under 90 miles to Trowbridge from our farm in sunny Worcestershire. And it's not far from Bath --- I love the Pump Room there. So a trip to Trowbridge will be put in the diary, and hopefully these records can help me to unravel the various Crumpler strands. Kind regards, Craig Craig W Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY ***************************************************************** t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 In the United States: 888-880-1531 See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net ***************************************************************** Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

This is Mary, wife of Richard Crumplehere, whose 1594/5 will we transcribed last weekend. I think she didn't say her husband is William Crumplehere - rather she gave him her husband's best coat (the sentence is 'I geve to W[illia]m Crumplehere my husband_ beste coate' and I think the strong tail at the end of 'husband', though it definitely doesn't loop, nevertheless indicates a gentival 'es', making it 'I give to William Crumplehere my husband's best coat.' The probate entry says (translated): The 19th day of the month of November AD 1595 was granted and [sic] administration of all and singular the goods rights and credits of Mary Crumplehere deceased late while she lived parishioner of Winterborne Kingeston in the peculiar jurisdiction of the Dean of Sarum 'ab intestas deceden' to Richard Michell Thomas Strangwayes Hubert Galton and John Galton overseers and guardians of Thomas Crumplehere during his minority in the person of John Symons, sworn well and faithfully to administer and to pay the debts and also to exhibit an inventory and to render an account etc Saving the right of anybody I'm still baffled by the phrase " ab intestas deceden' ". I think the 'et' in the second line was intended to be followed (as in the probate endorsement of the same date on her husband's original will) by 'littere tutele' Matt ________________________________________ From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Walsh [craig@hmdp.com] Sent: 28 February 2009 16:31 To: mjcl Cc: davidmichael_uk@yahoo.co.uk; old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] The Crumpler Wills Hi, Martyn --- Thank you! I've posted the document and your transcription at: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&medialinkID=1462 I confess to being at a loss as to who this Mary might be. She died in 1595, and her will indicates her husband was William and her son was Thomas. "Our" William --- with the 1614 will y'all so kindly helped me translate last week --- was married, at least at the time of his death, to Edith: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0840&tree=Walsh And Edith's "lawful and natural son" was John, born (we believe) between 1590 and 1610. So if Edith was married to "our" William in this period, Mary couldn't have been married to him (her death was 1595). William's father, Thomas, had other children who's first names we don't know: http://www.lordoflucies.com/tng/getperson.php?personID=I0888&tree=Walsh Perhaps another William? Seems strange and unlikely. A project for the near future is to try to find the parish records for this period, if they still exist, and try to decipher how these people connected to one another. Please let me know if you have corrections, changes, etc., to the transcription now posted on the website. Yes, this is a great list with incredibly helpful folks. Thanks again. Kind regards, Craig Craig W Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY ***************************************************************** t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 In the United States: 888-880-1531 See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net ***************************************************************** From: mjcl [mailto:mjcl111@googlemail.com] Sent: 28 February 2009 15:37 To: Craig Walsh Subject: Re: [OEL] The Crumpler Wills Hi Craig, I have attached my first attempt ..... Mary Crumplehere's will of July 1595. You probably saw my comments to Liz Agar. So she should be posting her own efforts as I suggested. I'm not going to bulldoze through this one and will do alternate documents as I suggested to her. I would ask that you post my effort for all to see as you did Eusebeia's. That way other learn and I get my errors corrected!!. By now you have found out what a great bunch are on this list! And I'm sure that Judith Werner, who looks after the list. will be over the moon as this was the objective of the list when set up! All the best, Martyn Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system. ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message