Hello Matt, Very many thanks, once again. It;s exciting to think that some of my forebears could very well have been at Agincourt and would have seen Henry V. I'll try to see a copy of Anne Curry's book. Regared, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> To: "OLD ENGLISH MESSAGE" <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] MEDIEVAL SOLDIERS > <<I am intrigued to see that three Judsons are listed as archers in 1417 > in the French expedition under the command of Humphrey, Duke of > Gloucester. Judsons were my maternal ancesters whom I've traced in > Cheshire back to the 16th century. Was Cheshire known for providing > archers in the 15th. century?>> > > Yes, it certainly was! Most books on English archers, or armies > generally, during the Hundred Years War will comment on it, but most will > give their source as P. Morgan, 'War and Society in Medieval Cheshire, > 1277-1403' (Manchester, 1987). > > <<Is there a possibility that these archers would have been at Agincourt > in 1415?>> > > It must be possible, as the duke of Gloucester was present at the battle. > The indenture listing the men under his command at the start of the > campaign is in the PRO, reference E 101/45/13, but I believe there's a > printed version of it in a list of all the men-at-arms and archers in the > entire army in an appendix to Anne Curry's 'Agincourt: a New History' (the > 2005 hardback edition, not the 2006 paperback). > > Matt Tompkins > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> To: "OLD ENGLISH MESSAGE" <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] MEDIEVAL SOLDIERS > <<I am intrigued to see that three Judsons are listed as archers in 1417 > in the French expedition under the command of Humphrey, Duke of > Gloucester. Judsons were my maternal ancesters whom I've traced in > Cheshire back to the 16th century. Was Cheshire known for providing > archers in the 15th. century?>> > > Yes, it certainly was! Most books on English archers, or armies > generally, during the Hundred Years War will comment on it, but most will > give their source as P. Morgan, 'War and Society in Medieval Cheshire, > 1277-1403' (Manchester, 1987). > > <<Is there a possibility that these archers would have been at Agincourt > in 1415?>> > > It must be possible, as the duke of Gloucester was present at the battle. > The indenture listing the men under his command at the start of the > campaign is in the PRO, reference E 101/45/13, but I believe there's a > printed version of it in a list of all the men-at-arms and archers in the > entire army in an appendix to Anne Curry's 'Agincourt: a New History' (the > 2005 hardback edition, not the 2006 paperback). > > Matt Tompkins > >

Courtesy of Ian Goddard on another list I've just discovered that the PRO now offer digital images of this series of documents on-line (presumably a spin-off from the Medieval Soldiers project). If you go to: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=5590499&SearchInit=4&CATREF=E+101%2F45%2F13 it seems to offer that facility. If you do purchase an image I'd be delighted to help transcribe and translate it, though if it does mention the three Judson's they will probably just be names in a long list of names, though perhaps with a period of service or sum due in respect of pay next to each one. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Don Tomkinson [mailto:don.tomkinson@lineone.net] Sent: 29 July 2009 16:53 To: Tompkins, M.L.L.; OLD ENGLISH MESSAGE Subject: Re: [OEL] MEDIEVAL SOLDIERS Hello Matt, Very many thanks, once again. It;s exciting to think that some of my forebears could very well have been at Agincourt and would have seen Henry V. I'll try to see a copy of Anne Curry's book. Regared, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> To: "OLD ENGLISH MESSAGE" <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] MEDIEVAL SOLDIERS > <<I am intrigued to see that three Judsons are listed as archers in 1417 > in the French expedition under the command of Humphrey, Duke of > Gloucester. Judsons were my maternal ancesters whom I've traced in > Cheshire back to the 16th century. Was Cheshire known for providing > archers in the 15th. century?>> > > Yes, it certainly was! Most books on English archers, or armies > generally, during the Hundred Years War will comment on it, but most will > give their source as P. Morgan, 'War and Society in Medieval Cheshire, > 1277-1403' (Manchester, 1987). > > <<Is there a possibility that these archers would have been at Agincourt > in 1415?>> > > It must be possible, as the duke of Gloucester was present at the battle. > The indenture listing the men under his command at the start of the > campaign is in the PRO, reference E 101/45/13, but I believe there's a > printed version of it in a list of all the men-at-arms and archers in the > entire army in an appendix to Anne Curry's 'Agincourt: a New History' (the > 2005 hardback edition, not the 2006 paperback). > > Matt Tompkins > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> To: "OLD ENGLISH MESSAGE" <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] MEDIEVAL SOLDIERS > <<I am intrigued to see that three Judsons are listed as archers in 1417 > in the French expedition under the command of Humphrey, Duke of > Gloucester. Judsons were my maternal ancesters whom I've traced in > Cheshire back to the 16th century. Was Cheshire known for providing > archers in the 15th. century?>> > > Yes, it certainly was! Most books on English archers, or armies > generally, during the Hundred Years War will comment on it, but most will > give their source as P. Morgan, 'War and Society in Medieval Cheshire, > 1277-1403' (Manchester, 1987). > > <<Is there a possibility that these archers would have been at Agincourt > in 1415?>> > > It must be possible, as the duke of Gloucester was present at the battle. > The indenture listing the men under his command at the start of the > campaign is in the PRO, reference E 101/45/13, but I believe there's a > printed version of it in a list of all the men-at-arms and archers in the > entire army in an appendix to Anne Curry's 'Agincourt: a New History' (the > 2005 hardback edition, not the 2006 paperback). > > Matt Tompkins > >