Hi Audrey - Hope you are well? - I think we had an armed force of some description in Ireland a few years before The Commonwealth when in the time of Lambert Simnel & Perkin Warbeck of Henry VII vintage who stated; in what seems to be disguised terms, in order to underline an important truth about danger for the English Crown from within the British Isles themselves. that Ireland and Scotland were both trouble spots. This era seems just as troublesome then, as it has been ever since at different times. Like all things it was a mixture of politics and personal gain. The experience of Henry VII's reign is quite well documented in an ex Buckinghamshire County Library book; England under the Tudors. But soldiering did not come to be realised as a profession until Cromwell's time when he formed his Model Army, a well trained and professional force, somewhat similar one supposes, to that of today's fighting force, but of under much differing circumstances and armoury, but of the same temper?? Looking back at Lyn's letter I see that the period was 1800 (Sorry Lyn I didn't look properly!), a time when all manner of differences were being fought for, both here and abroad. Thinking of Lyn's reference to Poor Relief payments, there was the surname of BARKER used in the 10th - 11th centuries and probably further on? - One origin if of Olde French meaning a shepherd but would be indistinguishable (my book says) from meaning a tanner. We then come to a variation Thomas del BARKHOUSE meaning that Thomas was of the Tannery. Logically this could then be pay to the tanner's wife for performing some task which involved some Irish connection? Finally, the entry concedes the name Barker and its variants to be occupational and in this case, a Tanner. Cheers Roy -----Original Message----- From: A Lee [mailto:alee231@btinternet.com] Sent: 12 September 2009 11:05 To: Roy Cox; old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Irish Pay Hello Roy It occurs to me that it may be worth while looking at the constitution of the English army in Ireland at that time. We seem to have more or less kept soldiers in that country ever since Cromwell's time. I think you would know more about military sources than I do but I have a feeling that the War Office have archives. Am I right. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Cox" <roy.cox@btinternet.com> To: <old-english@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Irish Pay > Hi - sorry to be a bit late in replying Lyn - I seem to have "mislaid" > your > email but if I remember rightly, the area is Sussex? > > The thought occurs "Is this word 'Barker'" the name of a person or does it > refer to someone doing something, like a tout advertising wares, a show > etc., in a loud voice to attract custom? - a recruiting Sgt would have > done > so also in those days! > > Maybe the Irish Pay was paid to a recruiting Sgt's wife whilst he was on > service in Ireland, or on his death, being the residue of his pay due? > > As it seems this was a one-off entry, this could be the answer, especially > as the parish concerned was not near Ireland. > > Do we know the date of this entry or any further detail from the records > concerned? > > Cheers > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lyn Boothman > Sent: 12 September 2009 01:58 > To: A Lee; old-english@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OEL] Irish Pay > > Thanks Audrey > I don't have any idea of the regiment - but since I sent the email I've > come > > across a list of the people who were off in the militia at the time, whose > families were being supported, and there's no Barker amongst them ...so > end > > of that idea. > > Lyn B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Lee" <alee231@btinternet.com> > To: "Lyn Boothman" <annys@boothman27.fsnet.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OEL] Irish Pay > > >> >> Do you know the name of the Militia, i.e. is it a local militia or is it >> a > >> regiment? Who funds the militia? Presumably it's the parish? If you know >> the name of the regiment then you should be able to trace its activities >> at this time. I have to admit that I have no knowledge of military >> history > >> but we do seem to have had troupes in Ireland for a long time over a >> number of centuries, e.g. Oliver Cromwell's men were there and, much >> later, the Black and Tans - all detested by the Irish. Even Lloyd George >> had to try to solve the "Irish Problem". >> >> Audrey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lyn Boothman" <annys@boothman27.fsnet.co.uk> >> To: <OLD-ENGLISH@rootsw> Sent: Thursday, September 10, eb.com> > 2009 10:38 PM >> Subject: [OEL] Irish Pay >> >> >>> Can anyone help? >>> >>> I am working my way through some poor relief payments from 1800 and it's >>> a bit of a scrawl but all very straightforward, just like loads of >>> others, until I got to >>> >>> 'To 5 weeks Irish pay to Barker's wife, 8d a week' 3s 4d >>> >>> This is the first time I've come across the term 'Irish pay'. I tried >>> Google but of course you get Irish pay rises, the Irish pay for this and >>> that and the other etc ... >>> >>> The Overseers are regularly paying for to support the families of men in >>> the Militia, so could Barker be in Ireland in the militia? Or is there >>> some other meaning of 'Irish pay' that someone knows about. >>> It's very clear on the page so I don't think it's a misreading. >>> >>> Lyn B >>> >>> >>> ==================================== >>> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >>> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: >>> 24/10/2005 >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 24/10/2005 > >