Hm strange reply all, thought I'd posted this to all but I was wrong, here it is again:- I know of three race courses in Manchester, actually two of them were in Salford, Kersal vale and a later that was lost to the extension of Manchester docks around 1900 though technically in Salford. A third in Kirkmanshulme that was never actually in Manchester. None could be described as being even remotely close to Manchester Cathedral, or even the Manchester parish church. John. > >That sounds a good idea. Of course, you do have also to look at topography. >As Barbara says, there are also those that appear to buck the trend, such as >Ely. Incidentally, we did also go to Ely. We just couldn't do cathedrals and >miss that glorious building out. Perhaps there was a race course there at >some time that has sunk beneath the mud? As I've just written to Barbara and >forgot to post to list (sorry), there was once a race course in the middle >of Manchester but Manchester Cathedral would still have been only a >collegiate church at that time, only having been comparatively recently >elevated to the status of cathedral. I also think that Barbara's idea of the >PhD might be a runner? > >As for me, I'm going to York Races soon and may or may not visit the >minster, having done this before. However, we did miss out the race course >on our tour as there wasn't a meeting on at that time. We did make an >overall win, using only minimum bets, that provided us with a good evening >meal before we arrived back home. I really could recommend the idea. > >Audrey > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> >To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:31 PM >Subject: Re: [OEL] Racecourses and cathedrals > > >> <<My question then and now is why do so many cathedrals have race courses >> nearby and the converse, why have so many race courses established >> themselves close to cathedrals? Can anyone help with this puzzle of >> mine?>> >> >> My guess would be (and it's just a guess) that race courses were usually >> set up in county towns and other similar places, because those were places >> where people, especially the horse-owning and -racing classes, tended to >> gather (for all sorts of reasons, administrative, legal, commercial, >> social) - and most cathedral cities were exactly that kind of place. >> >> Matt Tompkins >> >> >> ==================================== >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: - Release Date: <unknown> >> >> > > > > > >==================================== >WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Protect your PC with 50% off Norton Security - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc _______________________________________________________________________

I got both of these so think you did. Audrey I have feeling that soon Judith will put a stop to this string of communications because it's not much to do with Old English as such. It was partly because of an interest of mine and partly because no-one appeared to be communicating. So, sorry in advance Judith and hope you will forgive the slight diversification. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <john.holden3@lineone.net> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Racecourses and cathedrals > > Hm strange reply all, thought I'd posted this to all but I was wrong, > here it is again:- > > I know of three race courses in Manchester, actually two of them were > in Salford, Kersal vale and a later that was lost to the extension of > Manchester docks around 1900 though technically in Salford. > A third in Kirkmanshulme that was never actually in Manchester. > None could be described as being even remotely close to Manchester > Cathedral, or even the Manchester parish church. > > John. > >> >>That sounds a good idea. Of course, you do have also to look at > topography. >>As Barbara says, there are also those that appear to buck the trend, > such as >>Ely. Incidentally, we did also go to Ely. We just couldn't do > cathedrals and >>miss that glorious building out. Perhaps there was a race course > there at >>some time that has sunk beneath the mud? As I've just written to > Barbara and >>forgot to post to list (sorry), there was once a race course in the > middle >>of Manchester but Manchester Cathedral would still have been only a >>collegiate church at that time, only having been comparatively > recently >>elevated to the status of cathedral. I also think that Barbara's idea > of the >>PhD might be a runner? >> >>As for me, I'm going to York Races soon and may or may not visit the >>minster, having done this before. However, we did miss out the race > course >>on our tour as there wasn't a meeting on at that time. We did make > an >>overall win, using only minimum bets, that provided us with a good > evening >>meal before we arrived back home. I really could recommend the idea. >> >>Audrey >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> >>To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 1:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [OEL] Racecourses and cathedrals >> >> >>> <<My question then and now is why do so many cathedrals have race > courses >>> nearby and the converse, why have so many race courses established >>> themselves close to cathedrals? Can anyone help with this puzzle > of >>> mine?>> >>> >>> My guess would be (and it's just a guess) that race courses were > usually >>> set up in county towns and other similar places, because those were > places >>> where people, especially the horse-owning and -racing classes, > tended to >>> gather (for all sorts of reasons, administrative, legal, > commercial, >>> social) - and most cathedral cities were exactly that kind of > place. >>> >>> Matt Tompkins >>> >>> >>> ==================================== >>> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >>> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: - Release Date: <unknown> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>==================================== >>WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >>ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > Protect your PC with 50% off Norton Security - > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/securepc > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: - Release Date: <unknown> > >