I just read the posting by Tom Atkinson on January 20. Like Tom, I have a lengthy will from 1612 that I simply can't read. I've looked at the detailed tutorials on various websites, but I don't even have the patience to do a crossword puzzle. Can anyone recommend a "translator" who would be able to translate this will, and one other shorter document, for me for a fee? I've done a Google search as well, but didn't come up with anyone. Please contact me via the list, or directly at craig@hmdp.com. The documents are scanned so they would be easy to send via e-mail. Thanks! Craig Walsh Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Hello, According to 'A Dictionary of English Place Names' by A.D. Mills, Brisley is of Norfolk origin. Bruselecea c. 1105, meaning 'Woodland clearing infested with Gadflies', Old English, briosa + leah. Zed Malunat, Tasmania

An indenture dated 1712 has a few instances of an abbreviation that looks like a "w" with a taller final tail. One instance is in what I assume means "Sealed and delivered" - the last word is written "deli(w)ed" - is this an abbreviation for "ver"? Thank you, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass. **************You can't always choose whom you love, but you can choose how to find them. Start with AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000002)

Hi Richard, Re the field name Bearshill: John Field in his diictionary of English Field Names has Bear Close/Croft/Field/Furlong/Hay & Lands, and Piece. Meaning: "land on which hard barley was grown". These names are spread across various counties - Oxfordshire, Cheshire, Berkshire, Shropshire. He says "see also Barcroft [OE bere]. The Barcroft entry with the same meaning as above, [from OE bere] includes Bare Acre, Bare Bottoms, Bare Field, Bare Flar, Bare Hill. Counties mentioned are Gloucestershire, Cheshire, Lancs, Leics, Shropshire, Derbyshire. Hard barley is the four or six row variety only grown in the north of England and in Scotland. The more common variety has only two longitudinal rows of fertile spikelets. So perhaps this gives an origin for Bearshill No idea re Brisley, however. Cheers, Liz in Melbourne

<<John Field in his diictionary of English Field Names has Bear Close/Croft/Field/Furlong/Hay & Lands, and Piece. Meaning: "land on which hard barley was grown". These names are spread across various counties - Oxfordshire, Cheshire, Berkshire, Shropshire. He says "see also Barcroft [OE bere]. The Barcroft entry with the same meaning as above, [from OE bere] includes Bare Acre, Bare Bottoms, Bare Field, Bare Flar, Bare Hill. Counties mentioned are Gloucestershire, Cheshire, Lancs, Leics, Shropshire, Derbyshire.>> The difficulty with bere/barley is that it did not create names with -s- and should have produced Bearhill, not Bearshill. The -s- might possibly have been intrusive, ie added at a later date, but to know whether that was the case one would need early forms of the name without it. There are a number of other OE words which could be the origin of a name in which the first element is Bear-, including bearu/grove, beorg/hill (though that would be rather tautologous), bar/boar, baer/pasture, bera/bear, beofor/beaver, or even berern/barn, beorc/birch, beger/berry (or even the Celtic word bar, meaning hill). However for many of them the same objection must be made - that they had no declined form ending in -s, and therefore are unlikely to have given rise to the form Bearshill. For bearu/grove it is possible, however - the genitive singular of bearu was bearwes. The plural of beorg/hill was beorgas, but Hillshill seems improbable. Margaret Gelling in 'The Landscape of Place-names' (p192) says 'when hyll is the generic in a compound name, masculine personal names are the most frequent qualifiers', and perhaps the most likely explanation for the medial -s- is that the hill was named for an individual - in names formed from an individual's name plus a generic element the personal name usually appears with a genetival -s. The name might have been Bera or Beora or Bara, or something more complicated which has been elided over the centuries. Interestingly, Maragert explains Burshill in East Yorkshire as deriving from byrst/landslip, which could also explain Bearshill. So there aris a range of possible explanations, but without early forms of the name it's difficult to choose between them. Matt

<<A road name in the village of Penkhull, Stoke-on-Trent goes under the name of 'Brisley Hill' which name could go back to mediaeval times. Would anyone know the origins of the name. The ancient name of the field names nearby used to go under the name of 'Bearshill' until the early 19th century. Wonder of there is any connection with the two as in Grisley Bear?>> Hello Richard, It's difficult to determine the original meaning of place-names from the modern form only - one needs the earliest known forms of the name, ideally Anglo-Saxon or at least medieval, and preferably quite a few examples. Even with these the best that can often be produced is an educated guess. As Roy has said, there is a village in Norfolk called Brisley, which probably means Gadfly-ley, and that might possibly be the explanation here, but there are other possibilities (including something as mundane as ownership by a man or family called Brisley). Without early forms there really isn't much point in speculating. The nearby fields called Bearshill are interesting. The two names are just close enough to make you wonder whether one could be a corruption of the other, but dissimilar enough to cast doubt on a connection. It's unlikely that Bearshill has anything to do with bears, though - 'bear' is an extremely rare element in English place-names. Matt

Hi Richard - Brisley is a parish in Mitford district, Norfolk. Whether this has a link with your road name I can't say, but Oxford Dictionary of English places names says that through various references back to c.1105 when it was spelt 'Bruselea' obtained from the Charters & Rolls in the British museum - OE is 'Briosa' meaning a Gad-fly. So do we have a Gad-fly Hill? Can't comment on Bears - too furry for me! Cheers Roy -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Talbot Sent: 17 February 2009 19:17 To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] origins of a name A road name in the village of Penkhull, Stoke-on-Trent goes under the name of 'Brisley Hill' which name could go back to mediaeval times. Would anyone know the origins of the name. The ancient name of the field names nearby used to go under the name of 'Bearshill' until the early 19th century. Wonder of there is any connection with the two as in Grisley Bear? Richard ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A road name in the village of Penkhull, Stoke-on-Trent goes under the name of 'Brisley Hill' which name could go back to mediaeval times. Would anyone know the origins of the name. The ancient name of the field names nearby used to go under the name of 'Bearshill' until the early 19th century. Wonder of there is any connection with the two as in Grisley Bear? Richard

Dear Everyone: This list is comprised of a lot of truly wonderful people! I believe I've thanked the many individuals who responded to my question about the surname 'Denny' in the will of George Barnfather - if I've missed anyone, please accept my sincere apologies. I am confident that the response given by almost everyone, that the name derives from Dionyse/Dennis, etc., is correct. Thanks to all! Lee Cognetta

My mother always tested any iron, including an electric one, by a wet finger. It's perfectly safe if you're used to it. You soon learn not to leave the finger on the iron. One brief stab is quite enough. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Cox" <roy.cox@btinternet.com> To: <old-english-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... > You reminded this old man that at times when I used the flat iron as some > were called, I rubbed it off on the door mat first and then on an old > thick > cloth before ironing my trousers!!! > > Finger testing OUCH! Spit on it for it to spit back - not so Ouch!.... > > Cheers > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ros > Sent: 07 February 2009 11:27 > To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, > Somerset - Pa... > > I learned to iron on an old flat iron using a gas stove - you had to have > two wet cloths, one soaped to wash the soot off the iron and the other to > rinse the soap off before you put the iron on the clothes. We tested > the > heat of the iron by wetting a finger and touching the ironing surface and > gauging heat from how it spit at you!! > > I used these from age around 7/8 - what would the health and safety people > think now? > > Ros > > -----Original Message----- > From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Cox > Sent: 06 February 2009 10:43 > To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse > ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... > > Hi Debbie - > > You are right about the iron, my grandparents had some - she was a > seamstress - I still have three of the olde irons and a stand. They were > classed in sizes according to the garment to be ironed; which as a matter > of > interest, was at first only a method of drying clothes. > > I have sizes two of No. 2 and one of No. 5 - No.1 would probably have been > the styling iron for delicate work and frills etc., - the iron was heated > either on a stand attached to the fire grate or over a flame from the open > range or when gas arrived, on the gas ring. A No. 5 iron was used by my > grandfather for his starched collars, he would use a piece of candle to > test > the heat, if it ran slowly then it was about right!! > > I have used these before the advent of affordable electric irons! > > Cheers > Roy (Ex-Somerset - not far from Brushford - as the Crow flies!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com > Sent: 06 February 2009 10:06 > To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, > Somerset - Pa... > > John > > We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some > time > ago now. > > The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems > to > be particularly prevalent in the West Country: > > The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the > word > " > steel": > > 7. dial. To iron (clothes). > 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. > > The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced from > the Somerset Word Book.: > Steel: > 8.v. To iron clothes. > w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back > o' > a > zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. Tha > hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. 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There was a knack to it - not sure I'd try it now!! I still have the family flat irons - they hold my inside house doors open. Ros -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Cox Sent: 07 February 2009 15:54 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... You reminded this old man that at times when I used the flat iron as some were called, I rubbed it off on the door mat first and then on an old thick cloth before ironing my trousers!!! Finger testing OUCH! Spit on it for it to spit back - not so Ouch!.... Cheers Roy -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ros Sent: 07 February 2009 11:27 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, Somerset - Pa... I learned to iron on an old flat iron using a gas stove - you had to have two wet cloths, one soaped to wash the soot off the iron and the other to rinse the soap off before you put the iron on the clothes. We tested the heat of the iron by wetting a finger and touching the ironing surface and gauging heat from how it spit at you!! I used these from age around 7/8 - what would the health and safety people think now? Ros -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Cox Sent: 06 February 2009 10:43 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... Hi Debbie - You are right about the iron, my grandparents had some - she was a seamstress - I still have three of the olde irons and a stand. They were classed in sizes according to the garment to be ironed; which as a matter of interest, was at first only a method of drying clothes. I have sizes two of No. 2 and one of No. 5 - No.1 would probably have been the styling iron for delicate work and frills etc., - the iron was heated either on a stand attached to the fire grate or over a flame from the open range or when gas arrived, on the gas ring. A No. 5 iron was used by my grandfather for his starched collars, he would use a piece of candle to test the heat, if it ran slowly then it was about right!! I have used these before the advent of affordable electric irons! Cheers Roy (Ex-Somerset - not far from Brushford - as the Crow flies!) -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2009 10:06 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, Somerset - Pa... John We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some time ago now. The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems to be particularly prevalent in the West Country: The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the word " steel": 7. dial. To iron (clothes). 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced from the Somerset Word Book.: Steel: 8.v. To iron clothes. w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back o' a zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. Tha hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. Hence Stiling-iron, an iron. Debbie ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is interesting Eve because I thought Denis & Denise would be roughly equal in use; my reference says its male. My reference also list the name (Denise (French) and the Latin as you say) separately as the female of Dionysius, but it then states that Lyford 1655 gives DENIS as a girl's name!!! Yet a another example of just how much names can change over the years! Cheers Roy -----Original Message----- From: eve@varneys.org.uk [mailto:eve@varneys.org.uk] Sent: 07 February 2009 12:19 To: Roy Cox Subject: Re: [OEL] Given name DENNY > It is a variation of Denis or in Latin it is "Dionysius"- Dennis was far more often used as a female name thasn a male one until the C19 (an exception being the Hampson gentry family_. Its Latin form is Dionysia, but Dennis is the standard form. In Ireland, the name was also used more commonly for males than females. But then, in Ireland, 'Florence' was a male name first and foremost, rather than female.

You reminded this old man that at times when I used the flat iron as some were called, I rubbed it off on the door mat first and then on an old thick cloth before ironing my trousers!!! Finger testing OUCH! Spit on it for it to spit back - not so Ouch!.... Cheers Roy -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ros Sent: 07 February 2009 11:27 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, Somerset - Pa... I learned to iron on an old flat iron using a gas stove - you had to have two wet cloths, one soaped to wash the soot off the iron and the other to rinse the soap off before you put the iron on the clothes. We tested the heat of the iron by wetting a finger and touching the ironing surface and gauging heat from how it spit at you!! I used these from age around 7/8 - what would the health and safety people think now? Ros -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Cox Sent: 06 February 2009 10:43 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... Hi Debbie - You are right about the iron, my grandparents had some - she was a seamstress - I still have three of the olde irons and a stand. They were classed in sizes according to the garment to be ironed; which as a matter of interest, was at first only a method of drying clothes. I have sizes two of No. 2 and one of No. 5 - No.1 would probably have been the styling iron for delicate work and frills etc., - the iron was heated either on a stand attached to the fire grate or over a flame from the open range or when gas arrived, on the gas ring. A No. 5 iron was used by my grandfather for his starched collars, he would use a piece of candle to test the heat, if it ran slowly then it was about right!! I have used these before the advent of affordable electric irons! Cheers Roy (Ex-Somerset - not far from Brushford - as the Crow flies!) -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2009 10:06 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, Somerset - Pa... John We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some time ago now. The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems to be particularly prevalent in the West Country: The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the word " steel": 7. dial. To iron (clothes). 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced from the Somerset Word Book.: Steel: 8.v. To iron clothes. w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back o' a zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. Tha hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. Hence Stiling-iron, an iron. Debbie ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learned to iron on an old flat iron using a gas stove - you had to have two wet cloths, one soaped to wash the soot off the iron and the other to rinse the soap off before you put the iron on the clothes. We tested the heat of the iron by wetting a finger and touching the ironing surface and gauging heat from how it spit at you!! I used these from age around 7/8 - what would the health and safety people think now? Ros -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Cox Sent: 06 February 2009 10:43 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... Hi Debbie - You are right about the iron, my grandparents had some - she was a seamstress - I still have three of the olde irons and a stand. They were classed in sizes according to the garment to be ironed; which as a matter of interest, was at first only a method of drying clothes. I have sizes two of No. 2 and one of No. 5 - No.1 would probably have been the styling iron for delicate work and frills etc., - the iron was heated either on a stand attached to the fire grate or over a flame from the open range or when gas arrived, on the gas ring. A No. 5 iron was used by my grandfather for his starched collars, he would use a piece of candle to test the heat, if it ran slowly then it was about right!! I have used these before the advent of affordable electric irons! Cheers Roy (Ex-Somerset - not far from Brushford - as the Crow flies!) -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com Sent: 06 February 2009 10:06 To: old-english-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford, Somerset - Pa... John We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some time ago now. The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems to be particularly prevalent in the West Country: The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the word " steel": 7. dial. To iron (clothes). 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced from the Somerset Word Book.: Steel: 8.v. To iron clothes. w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back o' a zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. Tha hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. Hence Stiling-iron, an iron. Debbie ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oops! Apologies to all. I find I actually contributed to the Oct. 2007 discussion, and had forgotten. This happened through going straight to the rootsweb site from the latest post, and assuming that the facsimile and notes below were the final state for his will, with the lacunae still unsolved. I agree that the last line is 'Sum tot'[al], not 'Sund[ry]. Looking at line 5, however, I'd still guess 'It' 2 fybbs', not gybbs. The first letter is nothing like the 'g' in 'standing' of line 1. It seems curious to lump together in an inventory unrelated items as one item, unless perhaps these are all hollow containers - fybb [?], vat, tub, pails. Apologies again, John Barton ----- Original Message ----- From: "mjcl" <mjcl111@googlemail.com> To: "Debbie Kennett" <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com>; "OEL" <OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Unsolved - 1674 Inventory of Alice Cruse ofBrushford,Somerset - Pa... >I remember now! - Oct 2007 according to the archive! > > Martyn > > > On 06/02/2009, DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> wrote: >> >> John >> >> We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some >> time >> ago now. >> >> The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems >> to >> be particularly prevalent in the West Country: >> >> The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the >> word " >> steel": >> >> 7. dial. To iron (clothes). >> 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. >> >> The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced >> from >> the Somerset Word Book.: >> Steel: >> 8.v. To iron clothes. >> w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back >> o' >> a >> zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. >> Tha >> hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. Hence Stiling-iron, an iron. >> >> Debbie >> >> >> >> >> ==================================== >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 3832 (20090206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Hi Lee - It is a variation of Denis or in Latin it is "Dionysius"- The name of the Areopagite converted by St Paul at Athens, and of several Saints, notably the apostle of the Gauls who was martyred near Paris in 272BC, and as St Denys became the patron Saint of France. There are several other variations including 'Tennyson' - in Ireland it has been used as a substitute for "Donnchadh" - Cheers for now (QED!) Roy -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lee Bridge Cognetta Sent: 06 February 2009 18:37 To: OEL Subject: [OEL] Given name DENNY Dear Everyone: I've not posted to the list before, but I've been impressed by the help that is given here, so I hope that someone can give me some ideas. I have a will written in 1704. It is pretty straightforward, except for the deceased's wife's name. It appears to be, 'Denny,' and I'm pretty certain that it is some sort of 'pet name' or 'nickname.' Does anyone have any idea what the actual name would be for a person called, 'Denny?' If you'd like to see how it it is written, you can view this segment of the will here: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~daycogs/id12.html I would really appreciate any suggestions. I've yet to be able to find a marriage record for this couple and she seems to have disappeared after his death - I have no idea who she was! Best regards, Lee Cognetta ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lee: I think it would either be a common forename beginning with D - but I can't think of anything likely - or one containing the letters "den". Perhaps Prudence? Another possibility is that a will in 1704 referring to an adult woman might imply someone christened in the frenzy half a century earlier, so she could have an unusual (and embarrassing) Puritan name that she'd really want to shorten. Perhaps "Denial"? But that's a long shot. Best wishes Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Bridge Cognetta" <daycogs@earthlink.net> To: "OEL" <OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [OEL] Given name DENNY > Dear Everyone: > > I've not posted to the list before, but I've been impressed by the help > that is given here, so I hope that someone can give me some ideas. > > I have a will written in 1704. It is pretty straightforward, except for > the deceased's wife's name. It appears to be, 'Denny,' and I'm pretty > certain that it is some sort of 'pet name' or 'nickname.' Does anyone > have any idea what the actual name would be for a person called, 'Denny?' > > If you'd like to see how it it is written, you can view this segment of > the will here: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~daycogs/id12.html > > I would really appreciate any suggestions. I've yet to be able to find > a marriage record for this couple and she seems to have disappeared > after his death - I have no idea who she was! > > Best regards, > Lee Cognetta > > > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John On checking back through the transcription I have on file I note that at the time we did in fact read the ?ybbs word in line 5 on page 2 as jybbs: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oel/unsolved46.html We thought it might mean a gib or gibb, which is an obsolete word for an iron hook or a pot hook. The initial letter does also look a bit like an F or an S. If the word was fybbs what do you think it might mean? Debbie

Hello Lee, In addition to what Roy cox wrote (he was correct), but I thought you might like to see in print that Denny was a familiar version of the name: _http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oel/givennames.html#D_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~oel/givennames.html#D) best wishes, GAY Gay J Oliver, Stalybridge, Cheshire gayandmike.co.uk tamesidefamilyhistory.co.uk ashtongrammar.co.uk www.tamesidehistoryforum.org.uk www.fhsc.org.uk click on Groups then Dukinfield

I remember now! - Oct 2007 according to the archive! Martyn On 06/02/2009, DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com <DEBBIEKENNETT@aol.com> wrote: > > John > > We did in fact have an extensive discussion about this inventory some time > ago now. > > The stiling iron was I think used for ironing clothes. This usage seems to > be particularly prevalent in the West Country: > > The Oxford English Dictionary includes the following definition of the > word " > steel": > > 7. dial. To iron (clothes). > 1746 Exmoor Scolding 273 Tha hasn't tha Sense to stile thy own Dressing. > > The English Dialect Dictionary also has a similar definition sourced from > the Somerset Word Book.: > Steel: > 8.v. To iron clothes. > w.Cy. To stile linen, A Provincial Glossary. Grose (1790) Dev. The back o' > a > zittle is a choice thing to steel clothes 'pon. 46, ed Palmer. n.Dev. Tha > hasn't the sense etc....Exm. Scold. 1746. Hence Stiling-iron, an iron. > > Debbie > > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message