Hi, Martyn --- I believe these corrections are for: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?&mediaID=749&medialinkID=&albumlinkID=37&page=8 The lines weren't numbered so it took a bit of detective work. I've now numbered the lines, and I hope I've made the corrections correctly... If I haven't, or if there are other changes, etc., please let me know. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ From: mjcl <mjcl111@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 07:14:09 -0400 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com>, Old English List <old-english@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [OEL] (no subject) Hi Craig, Thanks for that. Matt has answered your query re the document. I have just a couple of typos of mine to be corrected - 4 Crumpelher 7 p[ar]sonage 12 himselfe 16 next hidginge All the best, Martyn ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Hi, Martyn --- Page 14 of Crumpler2.pdf (your e-mail of 4 March) is now the middle 1/3 of a single, bigger page. I have just finished adding your transcription to the www.lordoflucies.com website. I finished Liz' transcription of page 13 (the upper 1/3) earlier today. The image of the page (all three parts --- formerly pages 13, 14 and 15 from Crumpler2.pdf) is located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=750 It's the eighth document in the William Crumpler "album" located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 I believe Liz is doing page 15 when she has a chance --- the final 1/3 of the page. As always, please let me know about any corrections, changes, etc., and I will be glad to implement them. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ From: mjcl <mjcl111@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:42:04 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> Subject: p.14 Crumpler2 Craig, I'm not sure that I submitted this. My intentions were to do so and I'm sure that I transcribed it. However, I am not at home. Therefore I have re-transcribed it during my lunch break and attach it. Liz Agar said she had not seen it so here it is! All the best, Martyn ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Hi Craig, Thanks for that. Matt has answered your query re the document. I have just a couple of typos of mine to be corrected - 4 Crumpelher 7 p[ar]sonage 12 himselfe 16 next hidginge All the best, Martyn 2009/3/8 Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> > Hi, Martyn --- > > Sorry for the slight delay in posting this. > > I have posted this page into the album --- located at: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=8 > > The page itself (page 18 in the Crumpler2.pdf file) is located as the > eighth page in the album. The direct link to this page is: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=749&albumlinkID=37 > > I have simply called this “Damaged Document – Crumpler” because I don’t > know what the document really is. Can you give me a more > accurate/descriptive title for the document? > > As always, if there are any changes/updates/corrections, please let me know > and I will make them right away. > > I have also updated my earlier message to Liz with the various page > references to show the addition of page 18. The modified version of my > Rosetta stone is copied below. > > Kind regards > > Craig > * > > Craig W. Walsh > Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY > ******************************************************* > 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 > ******************************************************* > **Sent from my MacBook > * > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *mjcl <mjcl111@googlemail.com> > *Date: *Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:33:51 -0500 > *To: *Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> > *Subject: *Re: [OEL] (no subject) > > > Craig, > > Herewith p.18 from the .pdf > > All the best, > > Martyn > > > On 05/03/2009, *Craig Walsh* <craig@hmdp.com> wrote: > > Hi, Liz --- > > Thank you for your message. You wrote, "Could you do me a big favour > please. It would be extremely helpful if you could provide in one message a > summary of each of the original page numbers from the pdf document with the > URLs where the transcriptions have been placed." > > My pleasure. > > The PDF file that has caused some confusion --- as I've tweaked the > location of the various pages --- is the second PDF file. For reference, > this PDF file is located at: > > http://www.crumpler-family.com/Crumpler2.pdf > > This e-mail replaces a similar message sent by me to the list on 3 March > (at 00:32). > > Here are the locations of the transcriptions/translations: > > Page 1: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=716&medialinkID=1454 > > Page 2 > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=717 > > Page 3 - 4 - 5 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=742 > > Page 6: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&albumlinkID=32 > > Page 7 - 8 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=730&albumlinkID=27 > > Page 9: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=731&albumlinkID=28 > > Page 10: > > Essentially a blank page -- not put on website. > > Page 11: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=732&albumlinkID=29 > > Page 12: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=735&medialinkID=1480 > > Pages 13 - 14 - 15: > > Not done. This is the will of William Crumpler, and I believe this was > done as part of the first Crumpler PDF. The album containing the William > Crumpler will is located at: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 > > NOTE: I received page 14 from Martyn this afternoon. Haven't had a chance > to update it and post it to the website. Once done, I will update this > e-mail with the link. > > Pages 16 - 17: > > The top and bottom of the same document. I've re-combined the two pieces > into a single document in Photoshop. The document, and the transcription, > are posted here: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=737&albumlinkID=30 > > Pages 18 - 19: > > Heavily damaged, and page 19 is essentially blank. > > The transcription of page 18 is: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=749&albumlinkID=37 > > If the descriptions of any of the documents are inaccurate, or could be > expanded in any way to make them easier to understand, please let me know > and I'll update the website. Also, if you find any corrections or > amendments, please advise. > > Liz, I do have your e-mail from yesterday with the various corrections, and > haven't yet auctioned it. My apologies. I was away from my desk today in > Torquay. I'm at the Crufts dog show all day tomorrow, so it might not be > until Friday or Saturday before I'm able to finalise these changes. > > Thank you all for your assistance with this project. > > Kind regards, > > Craig > > > ------------------------------ > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice > This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or > organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and > confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must > not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have > received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and > delete it and any attached files from your system. >

Joining in without having looked at any origins of names books, I have a suggestion to make. Could it possibly be approached through the occupation route? That is, could there be an industry or craft called crumpling and workers called crumplers? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros" <harbro.town@ntlworld.com> To: <old-english@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: [OEL] FW: Crumplehere the surname > > > This doesn't seem to have made it so I am resending - I think I sent from > the wrong address > > I have several dictionaries/books on surnames and none include this one. > > The nearest is Crump - listed in both Patronymica Brittannia - by Mark > Lower > and published in 1860 - (which also lists Crum and says for the latter see > Croom). > > Lower defines Crump Belgic crom, uncus. Crooked, in relation to personal > deformity. "Crumpt or Crookkt." Nomenclator, p 44 Halliwell > > The other book is vol 1, Surnames of the United Kingdom, a concise > etymological dictionary by Henry Harrison, published 1912 > > He lists > Crump - crooked [M.E. crump(e, O.E. crump, crumb] Richard le Crumpe - > Hund. Rolls cp. Crimp and Cramp > Crumplen (Celt) Bel. to 1 Crumlin > Crumplin (Monmouth) = the crooked lake [Welsh crwm, crooked + llvn, a > lake] > 2 crumlin (Ireland) = the crooked glen [Ir (four masters) Cruim-ghlinn - > ghlinn, asp. Form of Ir gleann, a glen, valley] > > > Ros > > > -----Original Message----- > From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tompkins, M.L.L. > Sent: 05 March 2009 07:16 > To: old-english@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OEL] Crumplehere the surname > > Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, > originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney > and > Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. > > The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the > first > element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either > the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', > 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second > part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled > hair' > or 'tangled hair'. > > Matt > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1989 - Release Date: 03/07/09 18:43:00

Hi, Martyn --- Sorry for the slight delay in posting this. I have posted this page into the album --- located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=8 The page itself (page 18 in the Crumpler2.pdf file) is located as the eighth page in the album. The direct link to this page is: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=749&albumlinkID=37 I have simply called this "Damaged Document - Crumpler" because I don't know what the document really is. Can you give me a more accurate/descriptive title for the document? As always, if there are any changes/updates/corrections, please let me know and I will make them right away. I have also updated my earlier message to Liz with the various page references to show the addition of page 18. The modified version of my Rosetta stone is copied below. Kind regards Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ From: mjcl <mjcl111@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 05:33:51 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> Subject: Re: [OEL] (no subject) Craig, Herewith p.18 from the .pdf All the best, Martyn On 05/03/2009, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> wrote: Hi, Liz --- Thank you for your message. You wrote, "Could you do me a big favour please. It would be extremely helpful if you could provide in one message a summary of each of the original page numbers from the pdf document with the URLs where the transcriptions have been placed." My pleasure. The PDF file that has caused some confusion --- as I've tweaked the location of the various pages --- is the second PDF file. For reference, this PDF file is located at: http://www.crumpler-family.com/Crumpler2.pdf This e-mail replaces a similar message sent by me to the list on 3 March (at 00:32). Here are the locations of the transcriptions/translations: Page 1: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=716&medialinkID=1454 Page 2 http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=717 Page 3 - 4 - 5 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=742 Page 6: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&albumlinkID=32 Page 7 - 8 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=730&albumlinkID=27 Page 9: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=731&albumlinkID=28 Page 10: Essentially a blank page -- not put on website. Page 11: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=732&albumlinkID=29 Page 12: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=735&medialinkID=1480 Pages 13 - 14 - 15: Not done. This is the will of William Crumpler, and I believe this was done as part of the first Crumpler PDF. The album containing the William Crumpler will is located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 NOTE: I received page 14 from Martyn this afternoon. Haven't had a chance to update it and post it to the website. Once done, I will update this e-mail with the link. Pages 16 - 17: The top and bottom of the same document. I've re-combined the two pieces into a single document in Photoshop. The document, and the transcription, are posted here: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=737&albumlinkID=30 Pages 18 - 19: Heavily damaged, and page 19 is essentially blank. The transcription of page 18 is: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=749&albumlinkID=37 If the descriptions of any of the documents are inaccurate, or could be expanded in any way to make them easier to understand, please let me know and I'll update the website. Also, if you find any corrections or amendments, please advise. Liz, I do have your e-mail from yesterday with the various corrections, and haven't yet auctioned it. My apologies. I was away from my desk today in Torquay. I'm at the Crufts dog show all day tomorrow, so it might not be until Friday or Saturday before I'm able to finalise these changes. Thank you all for your assistance with this project. Kind regards, Craig ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

This doesn't seem to have made it so I am resending - I think I sent from the wrong address I have several dictionaries/books on surnames and none include this one. The nearest is Crump - listed in both Patronymica Brittannia - by Mark Lower and published in 1860 - (which also lists Crum and says for the latter see Croom). Lower defines Crump Belgic crom, uncus. Crooked, in relation to personal deformity. "Crumpt or Crookkt." Nomenclator, p 44 Halliwell The other book is vol 1, Surnames of the United Kingdom, a concise etymological dictionary by Henry Harrison, published 1912 He lists Crump - crooked [M.E. crump(e, O.E. crump, crumb] Richard le Crumpe - Hund. Rolls cp. Crimp and Cramp Crumplen (Celt) Bel. to 1 Crumlin Crumplin (Monmouth) = the crooked lake [Welsh crwm, crooked + llvn, a lake] 2 crumlin (Ireland) = the crooked glen [Ir (four masters) Cruim-ghlinn - ghlinn, asp. Form of Ir gleann, a glen, valley] Ros -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tompkins, M.L.L. Sent: 05 March 2009 07:16 To: old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Crumplehere the surname Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the first element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled hair' or 'tangled hair'. Matt ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wasn't expecting anything back --- so I'm good to go. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to get the £10. It will probably cost the Council £100 to refund my £10. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:04:00 -0500 To: mjcl <mjcl111@googlemail.com>, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> Cc: <old-english@rootsweb.com> Subject: RE: FW: History Web Site Feedback I agree with Martyn, entirely. (Sorry for the late reply - it's been a long and busy day.) Matt ________________________________ From: mjcl [mjcl111@googlemail.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 16:41 To: Craig Walsh Cc: Tompkins, M.L.L.; old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FW: History Web Site Feedback Hi Craig. I think that she has been very fair. There were really never any issues with the first two listed documents. Unless you can actually see the documents themselves there is always a risk of possible duplication as in the case of Edith. John was never in dispute and all the documents, as described, are there. As far as the other two go, she has admitted their mistake and has offered to refund your omney. I am surpised that they used a "pick list" and one does wonder as to the level of expertise of the staff doing the cataloguing! Hopefully you will get a credit on your card which should be a relatively simple process. At least the end result has been satisfactory. All the best, Martyn On 05/03/2009, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> wrote: Hi Matt and Martyn --- As suggested, I raised the point with the Wiltshire & Swindon Archives that some of the documents I purchased were not as described. Copied, below, is the reply from Claire Skinner, the Principal Archivist. I am afraid this is all a bit over my head. Does Claire's suggested refund make sense? I wasn't expecting anything back, so seems to be fine to me. I am interested to see how long it takes the Council to issue a £10 refund --- either by cheque, or back to my credit card. That should be interesting.... Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ------ Forwarded Message From: "Skinner, Claire" <claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk <http://claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk/> > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:53:40 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com <http://craig@hmdp.com/> > Subject: RE: History Web Site Feedback Dear Mr Walsh P5/1633/13 and P5/1752/8 BOTH actually match the catalogue descriptions so we certainly do not need to do any refunds for these. I am not clear which of these you have an issue with so I can't tackle this any further, but certainly the images I've seen correctly match the descriptions. P5/6Reg/111B and C are more complex - your scholars are correct that these are strictly speaking grants of administration rather than bonds. My colleague has explained that when he catalogued the register, he used a standard 'picklist' of terms which is why this error occurred. I have asked him to go through and amend the catalogue so it is more accurate. We could argue that the fact that these are registered copies of wills is obvious from the catalogue - the word REG is incorporated in the reference. We do indicate on the homepage of the website that registered copies are duplicates, and so in a sense, you should have been forewarned that the information would duplicate what you already had, however, as we made the error in putting bond rather than grant, we will refund your £10 as you request. This is the first time I have been asked for a refund on the on-line payment system so I am not sure whether the web master can easily add the money back onto your credit card, or if the Council will have to generate a cheque, but rest assured that one way or another we will see you get your money back. I do apologize for any inconvenience caused, Yours sincerely, Claire Skinner Principal Archivist ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system. ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. 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Hi, Matt --- I also found this on the internet (so, of course, it must be true): "The surname of CRUMPLER was a baptismal name 'the son of Crumpe' an ancient although now forgotten personal name. The name is also spelt CRUMPE and CRUMP. After the Crusades in Europe, in the 11th 12th and 13th century people began, perhaps unconsciously, to feel the need of a family name, or at least a name in addition to the simple one that had been possessed from birth. The nobles and upper classes, especially those who went on the Crusades, observed the prestige and practical value of an added name, and were quick to take a surname. Early records of the name mention Peter Crumpe, 1176, Berkshire. Adam de Crumpe was documented in 1203, County Northumberland. William Crumpe of Yorkshire, was listed in the Yorkshire Poll Tax of 1379, and Edwin Crumpe of County Somerset, was documented during the reign of Edward III (1327-1377). " On another website http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/crumpler-family-crest.htm the theory is that "crump" means bent or crooked, and that someone was born with an abnormal curvature of the spine. My anecdotal information agrees with your CD --- the Crumplers all seem to come from Dorset or Hampshire, and some migrated to London or on to America and Australia. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ________________________________ From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 08:43:01 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com>, <old-english@rootsweb.com> Cc: Marjorie Walsh <marjorie@hmdp.com>, Cathy Bushby <cathy@bushby.info>, Ann Heward <heward@iinet.net.au> Subject: RE: Crumplehere the surname That's very interesting, Craig. I'm rather doubtful of the first explanation - that the name means a maker of crumpets or crompled cakes. I suppose it's plausible that such cakes might be made by a crumpler, but neither the OED nor the Middle English Dictionary suggests that such a usage actually existed. I wonder where Richard Pickett got it from. Reaney's explanation is also plausible etymologically (Cromwell certainly used originally to be Crombwell), and perhaps a little more convincing, but he only suggested it tentatively, by analogy with other -er surnames, and it may be significant that he left it out of the Dictionary of English Surnames. Further, my CD of surname distribution in the 1881 census shows that the name was then confined pretty much to Dorset and Hampshire (mainly to south-east and central Dorset and south-west Hampshire), where 122 Crumplers lived (another 43, most of the remainder, lived in London and nearby, with a further 10 sprinkled across other counties in ones and twos). This doesn't completely rule out an origin in Nottinghamshire, but it does make it rather unlikely. However I think the early form of the surname, as Crumplehere, must be fatal to both theories. It would be interesting to find other early occurrences, especially from the medieval period, and especially in Dorset, to see if they also take that form. Matt From: Craig Walsh [mailto:craig@hmdp.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 09:26 To: old-english@rootsweb.com Cc: mllt1@leicester.ac.uk; Marjorie Walsh; Cathy Bushby; Ann Heward Subject: Crumplehere the surname Hi, Matt --- My wife --- the Crumpler descendant --- will love the theory of "crumpled hair." The only information I have on the origin of the surname came from the old www.crumpler.org website (now long gone). According to the archival copy of that website: "Crumpler is an occupational name for the Old English cromphet - a flat, thin cake which was often fried on a griddle. In Medieval England, the Cromplers or Crumplers made and sold these "crompled cakes". They were favorite items at county fairs, market days, and festivals, similar to our doughnuts today. Tea and crumpets are a favorite afternoon snack in England and Scotland even today. This information provided by: Richard Pickett" Or: "A version by one of the well respected authorities in the UK on surnames - P.H. REANY "His theory is based on the start position of a man from 'Cromwell' in the county of Nottinghamshire. Two alternatives are given based on surnames found to be in use. "Alternative 1 - Cromwell - to - Crumwell - to - Crumbwell - to - Crumbweller - to - Crumbler - to - CRUMPLER "Alternative 2 - Cromweller pronounced Crumler - to - CRUMPLER "(Ref: 6. The origins of the English Surnames by P.H.Reaney. page 202. Published by Routledge & Kegen Paul 1967)" I seem to recall seeing a website somewhere that showed geographic distribution of surnames within England. Need to find it to see if any Crumplers came from Nottinghamshire. So far, at least on Marjorie's branch of the Crumpler family, I can't recall any lived in Nottinghamshire. Google came up with the "House of Names" and their Crumpler coat of arms, and brief history of the surname: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/crumpler-coat-arms.htm They talk about Berkshire --- and offer to sell me (among other things) a Crumpler coat of arms baseball cap. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:15:58 +0000 From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: [OEL] Crumplehere the surname To: "old-english@rootsweb.com" <old-english@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1C8727550676DA45BF09CA2E80B4326A3AAD219E73@EXC-MBX2.cfs.le.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the first element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled hair' or 'tangled hair'. Matt ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. 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That's very interesting, Craig. I'm rather doubtful of the first explanation - that the name means a maker of crumpets or crompled cakes. I suppose it's plausible that such cakes might be made by a crumpler, but neither the OED nor the Middle English Dictionary suggests that such a usage actually existed. I wonder where Richard Pickett got it from. Reaney's explanation is also plausible etymologically (Cromwell certainly used originally to be Crombwell), and perhaps a little more convincing, but he only suggested it tentatively, by analogy with other -er surnames, and it may be significant that he left it out of the Dictionary of English Surnames. Further, my CD of surname distribution in the 1881 census shows that the name was then confined pretty much to Dorset and Hampshire (mainly to south-east and central Dorset and south-west Hampshire), where 122 Crumplers lived (another 43, most of the remainder, lived in London and nearby, with a further 10 sprinkled across other counties in ones and twos). This doesn't completely rule out an origin in Nottinghamshire, but it does make it rather unlikely. However I think the early form of the surname, as Crumplehere, must be fatal to both theories. It would be interesting to find other early occurrences, especially from the medieval period, and especially in Dorset, to see if they also take that form. Matt From: Craig Walsh [mailto:craig@hmdp.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 09:26 To: old-english@rootsweb.com Cc: mllt1@leicester.ac.uk; Marjorie Walsh; Cathy Bushby; Ann Heward Subject: Crumplehere the surname Hi, Matt --- My wife --- the Crumpler descendant --- will love the theory of "crumpled hair." The only information I have on the origin of the surname came from the old www.crumpler.org website (now long gone). According to the archival copy of that website: "Crumpler is an occupational name for the Old English cromphet - a flat, thin cake which was often fried on a griddle. In Medieval England, the Cromplers or Crumplers made and sold these "crompled cakes". They were favorite items at county fairs, market days, and festivals, similar to our doughnuts today. Tea and crumpets are a favorite afternoon snack in England and Scotland even today. This information provided by: Richard Pickett" Or: "A version by one of the well respected authorities in the UK on surnames - P.H. REANY "His theory is based on the start position of a man from 'Cromwell' in the county of Nottinghamshire. Two alternatives are given based on surnames found to be in use. "Alternative 1 - Cromwell - to - Crumwell - to - Crumbwell - to - Crumbweller - to - Crumbler - to - CRUMPLER "Alternative 2 - Cromweller pronounced Crumler - to - CRUMPLER "(Ref: 6. The origins of the English Surnames by P.H.Reaney. page 202. Published by Routledge & Kegen Paul 1967)" I seem to recall seeing a website somewhere that showed geographic distribution of surnames within England. Need to find it to see if any Crumplers came from Nottinghamshire. So far, at least on Marjorie's branch of the Crumpler family, I can't recall any lived in Nottinghamshire. Google came up with the "House of Names" and their Crumpler coat of arms, and brief history of the surname: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/crumpler-coat-arms.htm They talk about Berkshire --- and offer to sell me (among other things) a Crumpler coat of arms baseball cap. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:15:58 +0000 From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: [OEL] Crumplehere the surname To: "old-english@rootsweb.com" <old-english@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1C8727550676DA45BF09CA2E80B4326A3AAD219E73@EXC-MBX2.cfs.le.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the first element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled hair' or 'tangled hair'. Matt ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

I agree with Martyn, entirely. (Sorry for the late reply - it's been a long and busy day.) Matt ________________________________ From: mjcl [mjcl111@googlemail.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 16:41 To: Craig Walsh Cc: Tompkins, M.L.L.; old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FW: History Web Site Feedback Hi Craig. I think that she has been very fair. There were really never any issues with the first two listed documents. Unless you can actually see the documents themselves there is always a risk of possible duplication as in the case of Edith. John was never in dispute and all the documents, as described, are there. As far as the other two go, she has admitted their mistake and has offered to refund your omney. I am surpised that they used a "pick list" and one does wonder as to the level of expertise of the staff doing the cataloguing! Hopefully you will get a credit on your card which should be a relatively simple process. At least the end result has been satisfactory. All the best, Martyn On 05/03/2009, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com<mailto:craig@hmdp.com>> wrote: Hi Matt and Martyn --- As suggested, I raised the point with the Wiltshire & Swindon Archives that some of the documents I purchased were not as described. Copied, below, is the reply from Claire Skinner, the Principal Archivist. I am afraid this is all a bit over my head. Does Claire’s suggested refund make sense? I wasn’t expecting anything back, so seems to be fine to me. I am interested to see how long it takes the Council to issue a £10 refund --- either by cheque, or back to my credit card. That should be interesting.... Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ------ Forwarded Message From: "Skinner, Claire" <claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk<http://claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk/>> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:53:40 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com<http://craig@hmdp.com/>> Subject: RE: History Web Site Feedback Dear Mr Walsh P5/1633/13 and P5/1752/8 BOTH actually match the catalogue descriptions so we certainly do not need to do any refunds for these. I am not clear which of these you have an issue with so I can’t tackle this any further, but certainly the images I’ve seen correctly match the descriptions. P5/6Reg/111B and C are more complex – your scholars are correct that these are strictly speaking grants of administration rather than bonds. My colleague has explained that when he catalogued the register, he used a standard ‘picklist’ of terms which is why this error occurred. I have asked him to go through and amend the catalogue so it is more accurate. We could argue that the fact that these are registered copies of wills is obvious from the catalogue – the word REG is incorporated in the reference. We do indicate on the homepage of the website that registered copies are duplicates, and so in a sense, you should have been forewarned that the information would duplicate what you already had, however, as we made the error in putting bond rather than grant, we will refund your £10 as you request. This is the first time I have been asked for a refund on the on-line payment system so I am not sure whether the web master can easily add the money back onto your credit card, or if the Council will have to generate a cheque, but rest assured that one way or another we will see you get your money back. I do apologize for any inconvenience caused, Yours sincerely, Claire Skinner Principal Archivist ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Hi Craig. I think that she has been very fair. There were really never any issues with the first two listed documents. Unless you can actually see the documents themselves there is always a risk of possible duplication as in the case of Edith. John was never in dispute and all the documents, as described, are there. As far as the other two go, she has admitted their mistake and has offered to refund your omney. I am surpised that they used a "pick list" and one does wonder as to the level of expertise of the staff doing the cataloguing! Hopefully you will get a credit on your card which should be a relatively simple process. At least the end result has been satisfactory. All the best, Martyn On 05/03/2009, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> wrote: > > Hi Matt and Martyn --- > > As suggested, I raised the point with the Wiltshire & Swindon Archives that > some of the documents I purchased were not as described. > > Copied, below, is the reply from Claire Skinner, the Principal Archivist. > I am afraid this is all a bit over my head. > > Does Claire’s suggested refund make sense? I wasn’t expecting anything > back, so seems to be fine to me. > > I am interested to see how long it takes the Council to issue a £10 refund > --- either by cheque, or back to my credit card. That should be > interesting.... > > Kind regards, > > Craig > * > > Craig W. Walsh > Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY > ******************************************************* > 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 > ******************************************************* > **Sent from my MacBook > * > > ------ Forwarded Message > *From: *"Skinner, Claire" <claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk> > *Date: *Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:53:40 -0500 > *To: *Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> > *Subject: *RE: History Web Site Feedback > > Dear Mr Walsh > P5/1633/13 and P5/1752/8 *BOTH* actually match the catalogue descriptions > so we certainly do not need to do any refunds for these. I am not clear > which of these you have an issue with so I can’t tackle this any further, > but certainly the images I’ve seen correctly match the descriptions. > > P5/6Reg/111B and C are more complex – your scholars are correct that these > are strictly speaking *grants of administration* rather than bonds. My > colleague has explained that when he catalogued the register, he used a > standard ‘picklist’ of terms which is why this error occurred. I have asked > him to go through and amend the catalogue so it is more accurate. > > We could argue that the fact that these are registered copies of wills is > obvious from the catalogue – the word REG is incorporated in the reference. > We do indicate on the homepage of the website that registered copies are > duplicates, and so in a sense, you should have been forewarned that the > information would duplicate what you already had, however, as we made the > error in putting bond rather than grant, we will refund your £10 as you > request. > > This is the first time I have been asked for a refund on the on-line > payment system so I am not sure whether the web master can easily add the > money back onto your credit card, or if the Council will have to generate a > cheque, but rest assured that one way or another we will see you get your > money back. > > I do apologize for any inconvenience caused, > > Yours sincerely, > Claire Skinner > Principal Archivist > > ------------------------------ > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice > This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or > organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and > confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must > not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have > received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and > delete it and any attached files from your system. >

Hi Matt and Martyn --- As suggested, I raised the point with the Wiltshire & Swindon Archives that some of the documents I purchased were not as described. Copied, below, is the reply from Claire Skinner, the Principal Archivist. I am afraid this is all a bit over my head. Does Claire's suggested refund make sense? I wasn't expecting anything back, so seems to be fine to me. I am interested to see how long it takes the Council to issue a £10 refund --- either by cheque, or back to my credit card. That should be interesting.... Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook ------ Forwarded Message From: "Skinner, Claire" <claireskinner@wiltshire.gov.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:53:40 -0500 To: Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> Subject: RE: History Web Site Feedback Dear Mr Walsh P5/1633/13 and P5/1752/8 BOTH actually match the catalogue descriptions so we certainly do not need to do any refunds for these. I am not clear which of these you have an issue with so I can't tackle this any further, but certainly the images I've seen correctly match the descriptions. P5/6Reg/111B and C are more complex - your scholars are correct that these are strictly speaking grants of administration rather than bonds. My colleague has explained that when he catalogued the register, he used a standard 'picklist' of terms which is why this error occurred. I have asked him to go through and amend the catalogue so it is more accurate. We could argue that the fact that these are registered copies of wills is obvious from the catalogue - the word REG is incorporated in the reference. We do indicate on the homepage of the website that registered copies are duplicates, and so in a sense, you should have been forewarned that the information would duplicate what you already had, however, as we made the error in putting bond rather than grant, we will refund your £10 as you request. This is the first time I have been asked for a refund on the on-line payment system so I am not sure whether the web master can easily add the money back onto your credit card, or if the Council will have to generate a cheque, but rest assured that one way or another we will see you get your money back. I do apologize for any inconvenience caused, Yours sincerely, Claire Skinner Principal Archivist ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Craig, I thought I had done p. 18. I'll redo it when I get 5 mins. All the best Martyn On 05/03/2009, Craig Walsh <craig@hmdp.com> wrote: > > Hi, Liz --- > > Thank you for your message. You wrote, "Could you do me a big favour > please. It would be extremely helpful if you could provide in one message a > summary of each of the original page numbers from the pdf document with the > URLs where the transcriptions have been placed." > > My pleasure. > > The PDF file that has caused some confusion --- as I've tweaked the > location of the various pages --- is the second PDF file. For reference, > this PDF file is located at: > > http://www.crumpler-family.com/Crumpler2.pdf > > This e-mail replaces a similar message sent by me to the list on 3 March > (at 00:32). > > Here are the locations of the transcriptions/translations: > > Page 1: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=716&medialinkID=1454 > > Page 2 > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=717 > > Page 3 - 4 - 5 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=742 > > Page 6: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&albumlinkID=32 > > Page 7 - 8 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=730&albumlinkID=27 > > Page 9: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=731&albumlinkID=28 > > Page 10: > > Essentially a blank page -- not put on website. > > Page 11: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=732&albumlinkID=29 > > Page 12: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=735&medialinkID=1480 > > Pages 13 - 14 - 15: > > Not done. This is the will of William Crumpler, and I believe this was > done as part of the first Crumpler PDF. The album containing the William > Crumpler will is located at: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 > > NOTE: I received page 14 from Martyn this afternoon. Haven't had a chance > to update it and post it to the website. Once done, I will update this > e-mail with the link. > > Pages 16 - 17: > > The top and bottom of the same document. I've re-combined the two pieces > into a single document in Photoshop. The document, and the transcription, > are posted here: > > http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=737&albumlinkID=30 > > Pages 18 - 19: > > Heavily damaged, and page 19 is essentially blank. I don't have a > transcription of page 18, but it may either be covered elsewhere, or may be > too damaged to transcribe. > > > If the descriptions of any of the documents are inaccurate, or could be > expanded in any way to make them easier to understand, please let me know > and I'll update the website. Also, if you find any corrections or > amendments, please advise. > > Liz, I do have your e-mail from yesterday with the various corrections, and > haven't yet auctioned it. My apologies. I was away from my desk today in > Torquay. I'm at the Crufts dog show all day tomorrow, so it might not be > until Friday or Saturday before I'm able to finalise these changes. > > Thank you all for your assistance with this project. > > Kind regards, > > Craig > > > Craig W Walsh > Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY > ***************************************************************** > t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 > In the United States: 888-880-1531 > See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch > Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net > ***************************************************************** > > > > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice > This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or > organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and > confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must > not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have > received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and > delete it and any attached files from your system. > > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the first element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled hair' or 'tangled hair'. Matt

Excellent, thanks very much for that, Craig. I have to admit I too was finding it difficult to locate the transcripts of the different parts of Crumpler 2. I'll have a look through them all and see if there are any Latin bits left to be done. Matt ________________________________________ From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Walsh [craig@hmdp.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 01:04 To: emagar@hotkey.net.au; old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] (no subject) Hi, Liz --- Thank you for your message. You wrote, "Could you do me a big favour please. It would be extremely helpful if you could provide in one message a summary of each of the original page numbers from the pdf document with the URLs where the transcriptions have been placed." My pleasure. The PDF file that has caused some confusion --- as I've tweaked the location of the various pages --- is the second PDF file. For reference, this PDF file is located at: http://www.crumpler-family.com/Crumpler2.pdf This e-mail replaces a similar message sent by me to the list on 3 March (at 00:32). Here are the locations of the transcriptions/translations: Page 1: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=716&medialinkID=1454 Page 2 http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=717 Page 3 - 4 - 5 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=742 Page 6: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&albumlinkID=32 Page 7 - 8 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=730&albumlinkID=27 Page 9: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=731&albumlinkID=28 Page 10: Essentially a blank page -- not put on website. Page 11: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=732&albumlinkID=29 Page 12: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=735&medialinkID=1480 Pages 13 - 14 - 15: Not done. This is the will of William Crumpler, and I believe this was done as part of the first Crumpler PDF. The album containing the William Crumpler will is located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 NOTE: I received page 14 from Martyn this afternoon. Haven't had a chance to update it and post it to the website. Once done, I will update this e-mail with the link. Pages 16 - 17: The top and bottom of the same document. I've re-combined the two pieces into a single document in Photoshop. The document, and the transcription, are posted here: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=737&albumlinkID=30 Pages 18 - 19: Heavily damaged, and page 19 is essentially blank. I don't have a transcription of page 18, but it may either be covered elsewhere, or may be too damaged to transcribe. If the descriptions of any of the documents are inaccurate, or could be expanded in any way to make them easier to understand, please let me know and I'll update the website. Also, if you find any corrections or amendments, please advise. Liz, I do have your e-mail from yesterday with the various corrections, and haven't yet auctioned it. My apologies. I was away from my desk today in Torquay. I'm at the Crufts dog show all day tomorrow, so it might not be until Friday or Saturday before I'm able to finalise these changes. Thank you all for your assistance with this project. Kind regards, Craig

Hi, Matt --- My wife --- the Crumpler descendant --- will love the theory of "crumpled hair." The only information I have on the origin of the surname came from the old www.crumpler.org website (now long gone). According to the archival copy of that website: "Crumpler is an occupational name for the Old English cromphet - a flat, thin cake which was often fried on a griddle. In Medieval England, the Cromplers or Crumplers made and sold these "crompled cakes". They were favorite items at county fairs, market days, and festivals, similar to our doughnuts today. Tea and crumpets are a favorite afternoon snack in England and Scotland even today. This information provided by: Richard Pickett" Or: "A version by one of the well respected authorities in the UK on surnames - P.H. REANY "His theory is based on the start position of a man from 'Cromwell' in the county of Nottinghamshire. Two alternatives are given based on surnames found to be in use. "Alternative 1 - Cromwell - to - Crumwell - to - Crumbwell - to - Crumbweller - to - Crumbler - to - CRUMPLER "Alternative 2 - Cromweller pronounced Crumler - to - CRUMPLER "(Ref: 6. The origins of the English Surnames by P.H.Reaney. page 202. Published by Routledge & Kegen Paul 1967)" I seem to recall seeing a website somewhere that showed geographic distribution of surnames within England. Need to find it to see if any Crumplers came from Nottinghamshire. So far, at least on Marjorie's branch of the Crumpler family, I can't recall any lived in Nottinghamshire. Google came up with the "House of Names" and their Crumpler coat of arms, and brief history of the surname: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/crumpler-coat-arms.htm They talk about Berkshire --- and offer to sell me (among other things) a Crumpler coat of arms baseball cap. Kind regards, Craig Craig W. Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd. * Colletts Green * Worcester * WR2 4RY ******************************************************* 01905-830-380 (In USA 888-880-1531) 07833 433 871 ******************************************************* Sent from my MacBook = = = = = = = = Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 07:15:58 +0000 From: "Tompkins, M.L.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> Subject: [OEL] Crumplehere the surname To: "old-english@rootsweb.com" <old-english@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1C8727550676DA45BF09CA2E80B4326A3AAD219E73@EXC-MBX2.cfs.le.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Craig, have you ever come across an explanation of the surname Crumpler, originally Crumplehere. Does anyone have an explanation for it? Reaney and Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames doesn't include it. The surname seems to have two elements, though I'm unsure whether the first element is 'crump' or 'crumple'. Either way my guess is that it is either the OE and ME word cromb, cromp, meaning 'hook', 'crook', or 'bent', 'crooked', 'twisted', or 'cromple', a word derived from it. If the second part were 'hair', then the whole would mean something like 'crumpled hair' or 'tangled hair'. Matt ________________________________ Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Agree with the rest. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMilb36287@aol.com> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:16 PM Subject: [OEL] "The Queenes mti." >A transcription of a manuscript of 1583 published in the Transactions of >the > Shroshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. in 1880 reads: > > ...and ye sayd Robart by reasoon of the infect'on dieed there also (in > London), who was of greate estimac'on wth. the queenes mti. and the > nobilytie > because he coulde speacke perfectly soondry forrayne langags by reason of > hys > longe absence in his youthe owt of England in forrayne coontreys... > > What could be "the queenes mti."? It is printed with the last two letters > as > superscripts and no final dot. > > Thank you, > > Alejandro Milberg > Boston, Mass. > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002) > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.7/1983 - Release Date: 03/04/09 07:41:00

Hi, Liz --- Thank you for your message. You wrote, "Could you do me a big favour please. It would be extremely helpful if you could provide in one message a summary of each of the original page numbers from the pdf document with the URLs where the transcriptions have been placed." My pleasure. The PDF file that has caused some confusion --- as I've tweaked the location of the various pages --- is the second PDF file. For reference, this PDF file is located at: http://www.crumpler-family.com/Crumpler2.pdf This e-mail replaces a similar message sent by me to the list on 3 March (at 00:32). Here are the locations of the transcriptions/translations: Page 1: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=716&medialinkID=1454 Page 2 http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=717 Page 3 - 4 - 5 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=742 Page 6: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=721&albumlinkID=32 Page 7 - 8 (combined into a single image -- as the original document): http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=730&albumlinkID=27 Page 9: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=731&albumlinkID=28 Page 10: Essentially a blank page -- not put on website. Page 11: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=732&albumlinkID=29 Page 12: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=735&medialinkID=1480 Pages 13 - 14 - 15: Not done. This is the will of William Crumpler, and I believe this was done as part of the first Crumpler PDF. The album containing the William Crumpler will is located at: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showalbum.php?albumID=7 NOTE: I received page 14 from Martyn this afternoon. Haven't had a chance to update it and post it to the website. Once done, I will update this e-mail with the link. Pages 16 - 17: The top and bottom of the same document. I've re-combined the two pieces into a single document in Photoshop. The document, and the transcription, are posted here: http://lordoflucies.com/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=737&albumlinkID=30 Pages 18 - 19: Heavily damaged, and page 19 is essentially blank. I don't have a transcription of page 18, but it may either be covered elsewhere, or may be too damaged to transcribe. If the descriptions of any of the documents are inaccurate, or could be expanded in any way to make them easier to understand, please let me know and I'll update the website. Also, if you find any corrections or amendments, please advise. Liz, I do have your e-mail from yesterday with the various corrections, and haven't yet auctioned it. My apologies. I was away from my desk today in Torquay. I'm at the Crufts dog show all day tomorrow, so it might not be until Friday or Saturday before I'm able to finalise these changes. Thank you all for your assistance with this project. Kind regards, Craig Craig W Walsh Lucies Farm Ltd * Whitecroft * Colletts Green * Worcester WR2 4RY ***************************************************************** t 01905 830 380 m 07833 433 871 In the United States: 888-880-1531 See our online photo gallery at www.bark.ch Stock imagery available at www.hmdp.net ***************************************************************** Privacy and Confidentiality Notice This is strictly confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information and if you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error, please notify us as soon as possible and delete it and any attached files from your system.

Queen's Military ? Roy -----Original Message----- From: old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:old-english-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of AMilb36287@aol.com Sent: 04 March 2009 17:16 To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] "The Queenes mti." A transcription of a manuscript of 1583 published in the Transactions of the Shroshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. in 1880 reads: ...and ye sayd Robart by reasoon of the infect'on dieed there also (in London), who was of greate estimac'on wth. the queenes mti. and the nobilytie because he coulde speacke perfectly soondry forrayne langags by reason of hys longe absence in his youthe owt of England in forrayne coontreys... What could be "the queenes mti."? It is printed with the last two letters as superscripts and no final dot. Thank you, Alejandro Milberg Boston, Mass. **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0000000 2) ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alejandro Its m[ajes]ti[e] All the best, Martyn On 04/03/2009, AMilb36287@aol.com <AMilb36287@aol.com> wrote: > > A transcription of a manuscript of 1583 published in the Transactions of > the > Shroshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. in 1880 reads: > > ...and ye sayd Robart by reasoon of the infect'on dieed there also (in > London), who was of greate estimac'on wth. the queenes mti. and the > nobilytie > because he coulde speacke perfectly soondry forrayne langags by reason of > hys > longe absence in his youthe owt of England in forrayne coontreys... > > What could be "the queenes mti."? It is printed with the last two > letters as > superscripts and no final dot. > > Thank you, > > Alejandro Milberg > Boston, Mass. > **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a > recession. > ( > http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000002 > ) > > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OLD-ENGLISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >