The items below were posted to another List. I don't know what "Heywood's Burials" is or was, but some of these are interesting > > George Boyl of Shelf was laughing, fell down in a palsey fitt in the > ffold May 8, at Jos Listers near Wibsey Slack 1693, aged > 75. He was of the same family near High Town that the > Earl of Burlington came from > > Jonas Rushworths wife of Denham gate was at Halifax on Satur- > day Jan 25 (78) came home, Went to bed, found herself cold, > askt her Husband to come to bed, put herself into his bosom, > instantly breathed her last > > Robt Leach poor and wicked, had been drinking on Lords Day, > came home, fell into raging fitts, died in 2 or 3 days Nov. > 1695 > Duke of Lauthersdale a Scotman a great Politician, an intimate > ffriend of the Kings, but no friend to his native country died > Aug. aged 70 > Mich. Wainhouse died of a surfeit got by Intemperance Oct 18, > at Cross in Halifax married James Mitchels widow aged 48 > Capt Taylors wife of Brighouse died Oct 28 buried in their > Garden with head upwards standing upright by her Husband, > Daughter, &c. Quakers, aged 60 > Mr. ffarran Vicar of Otley buried Dec 21, a fat man, aged 52 > Ottawell Whitworth buried at Rochdale June 15, aged 57, a > honest Professor > Mr. Tim. Root died at Hawden of a Dropsie June 24, aged 54. > Conform'd but languisht long not able to preach > Mr Ramsden of Crostone in Steneland a young man 1000£ p. an. > married Mr Calverleys Daughter lately, very fat, died at > Esheld, buried at Guisely July 25, aged 22 > Old Colonel Dukinfield (Sir Robt ffather died Sep., aged 74, a > usefull man > Mr. Brook of Smithouse in Lightcliffe buried at Burstall Jan 23, > a great Drinker, Jacobite, Scoffer at Presb. > John Wordsworth of Horbury that married Cambdena Kirby died > May 18, ag. 35, left 3 child. much debt, honest but shiftless > 1313 Mr Ramsden of Crowston that lived an exceeding dissolute > life, shortened his days by intemperance, dyed young Jan 30. > 1697-8 aged 27 bur. at Ealand feb 4. 97-8. > 1314 George Ramsden R.R. son buryed at Halifax feb 3, 1697-8 > a young man killed himself by intemperance > 1383 Mr Hanson parson of Thornton in Craven buryed there > Jan 26. 98-9 was grown exceeding fat; aged 40 > 1728 Richard Walker of Bingly, long melancholy, now better, > was found dead in his bed, buryed April 17, 1702, aged 64 > > --------------------------------------------------- > >

I also recall as a child living on a farm that we always killed a goose at Michaelmas - which I understand is historically traditional - so it's looking more like October (or late September). Regards Martyn WJhonson@aol.com wrote: In the context on a definition of groaning chair i.e. the chair that you groan in (while giving birth), we find a reference to Goose Month. It's seems likely to me that they are still referring to giving birth. Since January is typically one of, if not the, coldest months, I would think quite a lot of children were born in late September or early October. So I would think this is still a reference to birth. So it would be my expectation that "groaning cake", "groaning cheese", "Goose Month" and perhaps even "Mother Goose" are all references to birth. Perhaps Geese were particularly fecund? Will In a message dated 5/3/2004 1:56:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjcl@btinternet.com writes: > Martin, > If I recall Goose Fair is a large fair held in Nottingham in early October and I am wondering if "Goose Month" is in fact October as well, just after Michaelmas. > However, I am sure someone knowledgeable than me will give > us the answer! > Regards > Martyn ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== OLD-ENGLISH Web Page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/

Forgot the list - sorry mjcl <mjcl@btinternet.com> wrote:Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 18:54:49 +0100 (BST) From: mjcl Subject: Re: [OEL] Groaning Chair To: Martin ADAMS Martin, If I recall Goose Fair is a large fair held in Nottingham in early October and I am wondering if "Goose Month" is in fact October as well, just after Michaelmas. However, I am sure someone knowledgeable than me will give us the answer! Regards Martyn Martin ADAMS <martin@adams3606.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: I think I followed that but "Goose Month" escapes me I'm afraid. Could you or someone explain please. (I am sure I should know this !) Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Rhodes" To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [OEL] Groaning Chair > On Mon, 3 May 2004 19:18, mjcl wrote: > > The following is an extract from a Probate Inventory of a resident of the > > parish of Rustington, Sussex, dated 1670 - > > > > "Item three Chests A groaning Chare & chushen 00 : 13 : 00" > > > > Any ideas on what a groaning chair was? > > Chair When members of the House of Commons and other debaters call out > "Chair," they mean that the chairman is not properly supported, and his words > not obeyed as they ought to be. Another form of the same expression is, "Pray > support the chair." > > Groaning chair. The chair in which a woman is confined or sits afterwards to > receive congratulations. Similarly "groaning cake" and "groaning cheese" are > the cake and cheese which used to be provided in "Goose month." > > "For a nurse, the child to dandle, > Sugar, soap, spiced pots, and candle > A groaning chair, and eke a cradle" > Poor Robin's Almanack, 1676. > > http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/233.html > > Regards > Trevor Rhodes > =========================================== > Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.2 > Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org > Registered Machine #'s 186951 = Mandrake Club Silver Member > Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. > gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu 94C29CF3 > =========================================== > 19:33:29 up 3 days, 3:24, 1 user, load average: 2.30, 2.14, 2.10 > -- > Never mud wrestle with a pig.. you get dirty and the pig enjoys it! > Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. > Theoretically pigs can fly if propelled with enough force. > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > SEARCHABLE archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== OLD-ENGLISH Web Page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/

I think I followed that but "Goose Month" escapes me I'm afraid. Could you or someone explain please. (I am sure I should know this !) Regards Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Rhodes" <trevor@annforbes.org> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:12 PM Subject: [OEL] Groaning Chair > On Mon, 3 May 2004 19:18, mjcl wrote: > > The following is an extract from a Probate Inventory of a resident of the > > parish of Rustington, Sussex, dated 1670 - > > > > "Item three Chests A groaning Chare & chushen 00 : 13 : 00" > > > > Any ideas on what a groaning chair was? > > Chair When members of the House of Commons and other debaters call out > "Chair," they mean that the chairman is not properly supported, and his words > not obeyed as they ought to be. Another form of the same expression is, "Pray > support the chair." > > Groaning chair. The chair in which a woman is confined or sits afterwards to > receive congratulations. Similarly "groaning cake" and "groaning cheese" are > the cake and cheese which used to be provided in "Goose month." > > "For a nurse, the child to dandle, > Sugar, soap, spiced pots, and candle > A groaning chair, and eke a cradle" > Poor Robin's Almanack, 1676. > > http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/233.html > > Regards > Trevor Rhodes > =========================================== > Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.2 > Registered Linux user # 290542 at http://counter.li.org > Registered Machine #'s 186951 = Mandrake Club Silver Member > Source : my 100 % Microsoft-free personal computer. > gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu 94C29CF3 > =========================================== > 19:33:29 up 3 days, 3:24, 1 user, load average: 2.30, 2.14, 2.10 > -- > Never mud wrestle with a pig.. you get dirty and the pig enjoys it! > Never try to teach a pig to dance. You waste your time and annoy the pig. > Theoretically pigs can fly if propelled with enough force. > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > SEARCHABLE archives for OLD-ENGLISH: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >

Glitz, Trevor, Will - Thanks very much Regards Martyn

In the context on a definition of groaning chair i.e. the chair that you groan in (while giving birth), we find a reference to Goose Month. It's seems likely to me that they are still referring to giving birth. Since January is typically one of, if not the, coldest months, I would think quite a lot of children were born in late September or early October. So I would think this is still a reference to birth. So it would be my expectation that "groaning cake", "groaning cheese", "Goose Month" and perhaps even "Mother Goose" are all references to birth. Perhaps Geese were particularly fecund? Will In a message dated 5/3/2004 1:56:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjcl@btinternet.com writes: > Martin, > If I recall Goose Fair is a large fair held in Nottingham in early October and I am wondering if "Goose Month" is in fact October as well, just after Michaelmas. > However, I am sure someone knowledgeable than me will give > us the answer! > Regards > Martyn

The following is an extract from a Probate Inventory of a resident of the parish of Rustington, Sussex, dated 1670 - "Item three Chests A groaning Chare & chushen 00 : 13 : 00" Any ideas on what a groaning chair was? Regards Martyn

In a message dated 5/3/2004 2:18:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mjcl@btinternet.com writes: > "Item three Chests A groaning Chare & chushen 00 : 13 : 00" > > Any ideas on what a groaning chair was? Two or three days before the expected date of the birth, the midwife ( dayah) brings to the house of the woman to be confined the groaning chair or 'birth throne' (kursi al-wiladah), upon which the birth is to take place, for Muslim women are delivered sitting. The chair, which belongs to the midwife, is covered with a shawl or embroidery Henry VII and his court "...as well as a sumptuous cradle of estate padded with crimson cloth of gold embroidered with the royal arms, linen for the Queen's bed, swaddling bands in which to wrap the baby, beds for the nurse and two rockers, and a "groaning chair" for the delivery. This was similar to a modern birthing chair, with a cut-away seat, but it was upholstered in cloth of gold " Will Johnson

From: http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/233.html Groaning chair. The chair in which a woman is confined or sits afterwards to receive congratulations. Similarly "groaning cake" and "groaning cheese" are the cake and cheese which used to be provided in "Goose month." *************************************************************** from: http://www.randomhouse.com/features/weir/excerpt3.html "groaning chair" for the delivery. This was similar to a modern birthing chair, with a cut-away seat, *************************************************************** Glitz

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Chrius Emmet of News Hudlines Fame is such a one I think? -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Barlow [mailto:barlow@candw.ky] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:15 PM To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Sybil/ Sebott > Don't know a Sebott but we have a number of Emotts/Emets or other > versions of this name. I think it died out sometime in the 19th > century. What it turned into I've no idea - perhaps Emma or Emily? > > Audrey (Stockport) > My best guess for a modern version of Sebott is Shepherd. I base that deduction on phonetics. I have never had any time for the idea that all *hereditary* surnames had literal meanings, so I don't think it matters a damn what homonyms once existed for "sebott" or "shepherd". Gordon PS. Emmitt/Emmett still exists as a surname, I believe. ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== OLD-ENGLISH Web Page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/

Would heraldry of Scotland be ontopic for this list? And if not, could anyone recommend another list where it would be ontopic? Thanks Will Johnson

> Don't know a Sebott but we have a number of Emotts/Emets or other versions > of this name. I think it died out sometime in the 19th century. What it > turned into I've no idea - perhaps Emma or Emily? > > Audrey (Stockport) > My best guess for a modern version of Sebott is Shepherd. I base that deduction on phonetics. I have never had any time for the idea that all *hereditary* surnames had literal meanings, so I don't think it matters a damn what homonyms once existed for "sebott" or "shepherd". Gordon PS. Emmitt/Emmett still exists as a surname, I believe.

Gary, Quote from Reaney (A Dictionary of British Surnames - 2nd Revised Edition):- "Seabert, Seabridge, Seabright, Sebert, Sebright, Seebright, Silbert, Sawbridge: Sebertus 1199 ; Ricardus filius Sebriht 1200; Gaufridus filius Sabricti1210; William Sebright Hy 2; Richard Sebriht 1279; Peter Sabright 1290; Robert Sberiche, Michael Sebryth 1327. OE Saebeorht 'sea-bright', the name of a 7th-century king of Essex, found occasionally until the 10th century, and then not until 1199. The surname has probably beee reinforced by OE Siegebeorht 'victory-bright', the name of an early king of Essex and much more common in OE that Saebeorht. This, too, certainly surviced the Conquest but is rare: Wilwardus filius Sibrith 1189-1200, William Sebright has left his name in Great Seabrights in Great Baddow (Essex), Sowbridge 1777. Saebeohrt is the first element in Sawbridgeworth (Herts)." End of quote Best regards Martyn GaryIvoDe@aol.com wrote: SEABRIGHT - Also found Sebright as a variant spelling which means Sea-Glorious from O.E. Sigebehrt meaning Victory-Bright/ Victory-Glorious (Anglo-Saxon). Sigebert was used on the Continent along with Sebert (French) which was associated with royalty. Seaward/ Seward seems to have meant Sea-Guardian. The Teutonic Sigg meant Victory. It also meant a man or warrior in Old Norse. Sigg- and its various endings did mean Victory (Teutonic). Sigewine is found in the _Liber Vitae Dunelm_. Some of our ancestors got around a lot more than we realize. Gary ===================== June and Roy wrote: Would - Sigerbertus/Sighere/Seward - and a couple of others be variations do you think of Seabright? I see also that Siger/Sigor means Victory/Triumph. ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== Going away for a while? Don't forget to UNSUBSCRIBE! OLD-ENGLISH-L-request@rootsweb.com

Good Evening All - Just obtained an excellent book by Peter Clery - "The Wealth and Estates of Glastonbury Abbey at the Dissolution in 1539" from which the following information comes for the list's interest I hope! This may not be exactly OEL, but Medarius was the title given to the person responsible for receiving rent and a separate amount of money or its value in honey, as rental for land held from the Abbey. He was quaintly know as "The Honey Monk". In the example given the rental was 4.8d per acre and the extra amount was 2s 6d which seems to have been a set amount regardless of the size of the property! Honey seems to have been an important product in those days, being used for making mead and as a dietary sweetener and was an important element in the domestic life of the monastery. The writer also says that Honey was an important product in the area and that both free and customary tenants had considerable responsibilities for its supply. Did this also apply does anyone know, to other areas of the British Isles and was it confined to monastic production? Kind Regards June & Roy (SANHS Member No 1066) http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm

SEABRIGHT - Also found Sebright as a variant spelling which means Sea-Glorious from O.E. Sigebehrt meaning Victory-Bright/ Victory-Glorious (Anglo-Saxon). Sigebert was used on the Continent along with Sebert (French) which was associated with royalty. Seaward/ Seward seems to have meant Sea-Guardian. The Teutonic Sigg meant Victory. It also meant a man or warrior in Old Norse. Sigg- and its various endings did mean Victory (Teutonic). Sigewine is found in the _Liber Vitae Dunelm_. Some of our ancestors got around a lot more than we realize. Gary ===================== June and Roy wrote: Would - Sigerbertus/Sighere/Seward - and a couple of others be variations do you think of Seabright? I see also that Siger/Sigor means Victory/Triumph.

Good Afternoon Gary - Would - Sigerbertus/Sighere/Seward - and a couple of others be variations do you think of Seabright? I see also that Siger/Sigor means Victory/Triumph Which seems to tie in somewhat? Kind Regards June & Roy http://www.btinternet.com/~roy.cox/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: GaryIvoDe@aol.com [mailto:GaryIvoDe@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:09 PM To: OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] SEABRIGHT SEABRIGHT/SEBRIGHT is Anglo-Saxon meaning victory, bright. ================================================ Kings of Essex, Wessex and East Anglia all bore this name in the 600's and 700's. ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE from list mode -- Send the one word UNSUBSCRIBE to OLD-ENGLISH-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hello Chris The answer, from my experience, is no, not always. I have had labourers (probate documents) who have been quite well off as well as poor ones. I have a feeling that it just means that he does physical work for his living. I'm not even sure that it means that he works for someone else as I have a feeling that at least one was also a tenant, but I can't say for certain on that one. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Bartlett" <woodcom@ihug.co.nz> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:12 PM Subject: [OEL] Laborer 1636 > > > Hello All > > I have a will for a John Meykin laborer (sic) 1636. He seems to > leave quite a lot of money and assets for the time and I > wondered if the term laborer was the same as we consider > labourer today. > > Thanks > Chris Bartlett > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > OLD-ENGLISH Web Page > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >

Don't know a Sebott but we have a number of Emotts/Emets or other versions of this name. I think it died out sometime in the 19th century. What it turned into I've no idea - perhaps Emma or Emily? Audrey (Stockport) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Buckley" <Ianbuckley@uko2.co.uk> To: <OLD-ENGLISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:59 PM Subject: [OEL] Sybil/ Sebott > I've come across the name 'Sebott' in a transcription made in the mid-15th century of a 14th century document. The transcriber clearly thought that it was a form of the personal name Sybil - possibly a local/ dialect form (N-W England), or a kind of family nickname. Has anyone come across anything similar, or can anyone shed any light on the name Sebott? Additionally, I wonder if anyone has any information on the popularity of the name Sybil in the Middle Ages. The first woman of that name in the family I have been researching would have been born circa 1280. > > Grateful for any help/ suggestions, > > Ian Buckley > > > ==== OLD-ENGLISH Mailing List ==== > Going away for a while? > Don't forget to UNSUBSCRIBE! > OLD-ENGLISH-L-request@rootsweb.com >

I bought this document on Ebay knowing nothing about it. I recognized the word London in it, but that's about it. I'm not even sure if it's in English or Latin. The document is about 24" wide and 10" tall. The document has been folded into four quadrants, and there's a single line across the top of the back of the document. I scanned the line and placed it here: http://home.earthlink.net/~twestern/back.jpg (170Kb). I'm hoping and translation of this single line will give me a gist of the rest of the document. Many thanks in advance, -- Trevor Western