Hello Keith I was going to reply to this message too but am having a lot of bother with my computer but here goes. Our parish church as a large parchment document giving details of the lays charged for all the eligible rate payers. This was for the poor relief and was collected by the "people's" church warden (or should have been, there are references to lax behaviour in the vestry minutes). The relief was then dole out by the vestry at their meetings to the applicants as the vestry felt was fitting. The date of the document was some time in the 18th century but the select vestry minutes began with the elevation of the vestry to this estate in accordance with the 1819 Act. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Griffiths" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Ecclesiasitical property and land > Many thanks to David, Lyn, Richard and Roy for their comments on this > subject. > ~~ > Keith Griffiths > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ros Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old ? As soon as I saw it I said to myself - there were 240 pennies (not pence) to the old ? - not 120. When you have to sit and learn money etc tables by rote you do not forget them. And it had to be by rote because there is no working this stuff out from basic principles. So I still know without looking up that there are 8 furlongs to a mile and 1760 yards to a mile as well as 240 pennies to a ?!! Don't forget the tanner - 6d; the two bob or florin 2 shillings; the half a dollar or half a crown or 2 shillings and sixpence. Plus the thruppence or three penny bit, the farthing and the ten bob note. All of which I have secreted away if I could only remember where .... Ros ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Saturday at 5 am Edenbridge Kent Earlier coinage included the half penny oka 'aypenny box.please' Farvin box if yer woz skint !-- in the sweet shop -- liquirice for chewing sucking Multilayer candy balls and aniseed balls to suck. Tuppence for a Mars Bar Penny for a Milky Way. lol Alan Dell The rare Silver tanner [ 6d] One for the Christmas Pudding.

Many thanks to David, Lyn, Richard and Roy for their comments on this subject. ~~ Keith Griffiths

Ah Yes - Whale Oil - According to my "Little" book - Haydn's Dictionary of Dates - "'tis said that Whale Fishery was first carried on by the Norwegians in the 9th century." (Source - LENGLET) The entry continues: - Whales were killed for their oil only off Newfoundland and Iceland in 1578. The English Whale-Fishing industry commenced at Spitzbergen in 1598. This was much promoted by an act of Parliament in 1749. Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: 1carla [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:16 PM To: Old-English-L; Roy Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold Good question? Would they have been using whale oil for lamps? Just wondering... - Denne meldingen er sjekket fra virus av Norton Anti-virus - This message was checked for virus by Norton Anti-virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" > > Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so > that > its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand > the > heat. > > What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm > I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my > research > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] Cuckold > >>From :- > > A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in > historical documents of East Anglia. > > Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot > pots > and pans. > > Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 > > > Anne > > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Goods in a probate inventory reflect the life of the household during the previous generation and also many of those before since people threw out far less than we do and even clothing and bedding would be passed down until completely unusable. We are in danger of asking the question of how old is old. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "mjcl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > The original inventory was dated 1781 - possibly could have been. But had > whale oil made it to the British Isles by then? > > I have no knowledge. Perhaps someone out there might be able to help. > > All the best, > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: 1carla <[email protected]> > To: Old-English-L <[email protected]>; Roy > <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2006 10:15:40 PM > Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > Good question? Would they have been using whale oil for lamps? Just > wondering... > > > > - Denne meldingen er sjekket fra virus av Norton Anti-virus > - This message was checked for virus by Norton Anti-virus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > >> >> Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" >> >> Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so >> that >> its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand >> the >> heat. >> >> What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? >> >> >> Kind Regards >> Roy LD Cox >> Family Historian >> Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: >> www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm >> I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my >> research >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley >> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [OEL] Cuckold >> >>>From :- >> >> A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in >> historical documents of East Anglia. >> >> Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot >> pots >> and pans. >> >> Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 >> >> >> Anne >> >> >> >> >> ================= >> Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ================= >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ================= >> Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ================= >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Of course, arithmetic to the base 12 -which is what the £sd system (and the foot/inch system) was- is more logical, from the mathematical point of view than the decimal system. 12 has the six factors 1,2,3,4,6,12 whereas 10 only has the four factors 1,2,5,10. This means that there are more short-cuts available. The UK should have stayed with £sd and the rest of the world should have given up on decimal. But computers came along and forced the change. Shame. Roger Lovegrove Please do visit the LOVEGROVE Information Centre on http://www.lovegrove.f9.co.uk/ons/

If that is so, perhaps it is a reflecting plate rather than a lamp in the accepted sense? On the other hand, it could be on a small shelf close to the fire, a bit like the alcoves where the salt box was kept. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" > > Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so > that > its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand > the > heat. > > What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm > I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my > research > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] Cuckold > >>From :- > > A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in > historical documents of East Anglia. > > Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot > pots > and pans. > > Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 > > > Anne > > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The original inventory was dated 1781 - possibly could have been. But had whale oil made it to the British Isles by then? I have no knowledge. Perhaps someone out there might be able to help. All the best, Martyn ----- Original Message ---- From: 1carla <[email protected]> To: Old-English-L <[email protected]>; Roy <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2006 10:15:40 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold Good question? Would they have been using whale oil for lamps? Just wondering... - Denne meldingen er sjekket fra virus av Norton Anti-virus - This message was checked for virus by Norton Anti-virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" > > Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so > that > its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand > the > heat. > > What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm > I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my > research > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] Cuckold > >>From :- > > A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in > historical documents of East Anglia. > > Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot > pots > and pans. > > Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 > > > Anne > > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry John. Of course you're right. It just goes to show how very decimalised I've become. I never thought I'd see the day. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "John W Edwards" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ Audrey £1.05, ie £1 1s in old money John ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman lee" <[email protected]> To: "Roy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ To confuse us even further, horses, until at least recently, are bought and sold in guineas, despite the rest of us using decimal currency. Since a guinea is £1 10p. in decimal pounds and pence, you can see that horse owners still have to do a bit of conversion between the two. It is common that commission charged was usually the shillings (converted in decimal to 10p.) so the auctioneer would charge that amount for selling the horse. I have to say, though, that it is some time since I bought or sold a horse and it may now be different. I feel sure that Eve would know the present practice. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ And then the "Quid" - "Guinea" - "Fiver" - "Tenner" - I am sure there are more when one considers Georgian currency? BT means British Telecom of course and a bit more multiplication gives us 960 farthings to the pound and 120 pence for half-a-pound or 10/- But you could liken "4d in the pound" to "4 cents in the dollar"; which is what the original question was I think, gives us the answer ;-) Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ros Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ As soon as I saw it I said to myself - there were 240 pennies (not pence) to the old £ - not 120. When you have to sit and learn money etc tables by rote you do not forget them. And it had to be by rote because there is no working this stuff out from basic principles. So I still know without looking up that there are 8 furlongs to a mile and 1760 yards to a mile as well as 240 pennies to a £!! Don't forget the tanner - 6d; the two bob or florin 2 shillings; the half a dollar or half a crown or 2 shillings and sixpence. Plus the thruppence or three penny bit, the farthing and the ten bob note. All of which I have secreted away if I could only remember where .... Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "2twigs3" <[email protected]> To: "Richard Talbot" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ > Richard wrote: "Before I think 1971 our currency was very different. > Each pound was divided into pence. There were 120 pence to the pound. > These were divided into 12 each twelve pence was called a shilling, so > there were 20 shillings to the £" > > Cor Richard, you have a bt internet email address, means Britain. > Maths was a very weak subject with me,, > but 20 shillings x 12 pence equals 240 old d to the £. Will suggest > you > for new chancellor. > Jo. > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, Thats quite an interesting one, and thanks very much for bringing it to our notice. However, albeit there is no punctuation, in the context that it is used, I tend to favour Guy's suggestion. It just goes to show that we souldn't always interpret everything literally in older documents - allowances have to made with the "spelling" which can be based upon the phonetics of the local dialect. This then can be further confused by the clerk's interpretation of how he thinks a word should be written, and even then there is often little or no consistency! It can be a minefield at times! All the best, Martyn ----- Original Message ---- From: Anne Maudsley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2006 2:43:54 PM Subject: [OEL] Cuckold >From :- A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in historical documents of East Anglia. Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot pots and pans. Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 Anne ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so that its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand the heat. What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [OEL] Cuckold >From :- A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in historical documents of East Anglia. Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot pots and pans. Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 Anne ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, I totally agree and haved accepted that as being the most likely meaning. All the best, Martyn ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Whitehead & Stephanie Keates <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 7 December, 2006 10:21:56 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Meaning of Cuckold Light Dear all Of all the explanations proposed, I like Guy Etchells' best. Regards Mike Whitehead Thornbury, near Bristol, UK ****************************************** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 From: Guy Etchells <[email protected]> Subject: Meaning of Cuckold Light To: [email protected] It is possibly a miss-spelling of a cuculled lamp or hooded lamp, i.e. it has a reflector to concentrate the light. Cheers Guy -- Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England. http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells The site that gives you facts not promises! http://anguline.co.uk/ Anguline Research Archives End of OLD-ENGLISH Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 ****************************************** ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good question? Would they have been using whale oil for lamps? Just wondering... - Denne meldingen er sjekket fra virus av Norton Anti-virus - This message was checked for virus by Norton Anti-virus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [OEL] Cuckold > > Throws a little more (Light!) on "Cuckold Light" > > Looks as though then, it is a design of light, to hang over the fire so > that > its light is directed to the post & pans, made of cast iron to withstand > the > heat. > > What fuels the light I wonder if this is correct? > > > Kind Regards > Roy LD Cox > Family Historian > Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: > www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm > I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my > research > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne Maudsley > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [OEL] Cuckold > >>From :- > > A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in > historical documents of East Anglia. > > Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot > pots > and pans. > > Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 > > > Anne > > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From :- A Researcher's Glossary compiled by David Yaxley of words found in historical documents of East Anglia. Cookshold, cuckold, form of short tongs to enable the cook to hold hot pots and pans. Inventories in 1764,1779, 1791, 1836 Anne

Dear all Of all the explanations proposed, I like Guy Etchells' best. Regards Mike Whitehead Thornbury, near Bristol, UK ****************************************** Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 From: Guy Etchells <[email protected]> Subject: Meaning of Cuckold Light To: [email protected] It is possibly a miss-spelling of a cuculled lamp or hooded lamp, i.e. it has a reflector to concentrate the light. Cheers Guy -- Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England. http://freespace.virgin.net/guy.etchells The site that gives you facts not promises! http://anguline.co.uk/ Anguline Research Archives End of OLD-ENGLISH Digest, Vol 1, Issue 24 ******************************************

Another problem with all this is that the symbol for the pound does not always appear as the pound symbol in Rootsweb messages ........ so that some listers might have seen the original message as "4s in the ? " instead of "4s in the pound symbol" . To show what I mean , here is the pound symbol £ . If the previous sentence didn't end in a curly capital L with a horizontal bar across its middle ( and then the sentence's full stop = US point ) , I've made my point . If it did , lucky you :>) I do hope that he£ped ;>) Robert Hi££ier , Poo£e

Audrey £1.05, ie £1 1s in old money John ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman lee" <[email protected]> To: "Roy" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ To confuse us even further, horses, until at least recently, are bought and sold in guineas, despite the rest of us using decimal currency. Since a guinea is £1 10p. in decimal pounds and pence, you can see that horse owners still have to do a bit of conversion between the two. It is common that commission charged was usually the shillings (converted in decimal to 10p.) so the auctioneer would charge that amount for selling the horse. I have to say, though, that it is some time since I bought or sold a horse and it may now be different. I feel sure that Eve would know the present practice. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ And then the "Quid" - "Guinea" - "Fiver" - "Tenner" - I am sure there are more when one considers Georgian currency? BT means British Telecom of course and a bit more multiplication gives us 960 farthings to the pound and 120 pence for half-a-pound or 10/- But you could liken "4d in the pound" to "4 cents in the dollar"; which is what the original question was I think, gives us the answer ;-) Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ros Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ As soon as I saw it I said to myself - there were 240 pennies (not pence) to the old £ - not 120. When you have to sit and learn money etc tables by rote you do not forget them. And it had to be by rote because there is no working this stuff out from basic principles. So I still know without looking up that there are 8 furlongs to a mile and 1760 yards to a mile as well as 240 pennies to a £!! Don't forget the tanner - 6d; the two bob or florin 2 shillings; the half a dollar or half a crown or 2 shillings and sixpence. Plus the thruppence or three penny bit, the farthing and the ten bob note. All of which I have secreted away if I could only remember where .... Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "2twigs3" <[email protected]> To: "Richard Talbot" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ > Richard wrote: "Before I think 1971 our currency was very different. > Each pound was divided into pence. There were 120 pence to the pound. > These were divided into 12 each twelve pence was called a shilling, so > there were 20 shillings to the £" > > Cor Richard, you have a bt internet email address, means Britain. > Maths was a very weak subject with me,, > but 20 shillings x 12 pence equals 240 old d to the £. Will suggest > you > for new chancellor. > Jo. > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 22:59 06/12/2006, norman lee wrote: >Since a >guinea is £1 10p. There's inflation for you, a guinea used to be 21 shillings :-) John

To confuse us even further, horses, until at least recently, are bought and sold in guineas, despite the rest of us using decimal currency. Since a guinea is £1 10p. in decimal pounds and pence, you can see that horse owners still have to do a bit of conversion between the two. It is common that commission charged was usually the shillings (converted in decimal to 10p.) so the auctioneer would charge that amount for selling the horse. I have to say, though, that it is some time since I bought or sold a horse and it may now be different. I feel sure that Eve would know the present practice. Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ And then the "Quid" - "Guinea" - "Fiver" - "Tenner" - I am sure there are more when one considers Georgian currency? BT means British Telecom of course and a bit more multiplication gives us 960 farthings to the pound and 120 pence for half-a-pound or 10/- But you could liken "4d in the pound" to "4 cents in the dollar"; which is what the original question was I think, gives us the answer ;-) Kind Regards Roy LD Cox Family Historian Member of SA&NHS Member No. 1066 (And all That!) Web Site: www.coxresearcher.com/index.htm I also use www.archivecdbooks.com and www.localhistory.co.uk/ambra for my research -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ros Jarvis Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ As soon as I saw it I said to myself - there were 240 pennies (not pence) to the old £ - not 120. When you have to sit and learn money etc tables by rote you do not forget them. And it had to be by rote because there is no working this stuff out from basic principles. So I still know without looking up that there are 8 furlongs to a mile and 1760 yards to a mile as well as 240 pennies to a £!! Don't forget the tanner - 6d; the two bob or florin 2 shillings; the half a dollar or half a crown or 2 shillings and sixpence. Plus the thruppence or three penny bit, the farthing and the ten bob note. All of which I have secreted away if I could only remember where .... Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "2twigs3" <[email protected]> To: "Richard Talbot" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [OEL] Money Values 240 d to the old £ > Richard wrote: "Before I think 1971 our currency was very different. > Each pound was divided into pence. There were 120 pence to the pound. > These were divided into 12 each twelve pence was called a shilling, so > there were 20 shillings to the £" > > Cor Richard, you have a bt internet email address, means Britain. > Maths was a very weak subject with me,, > but 20 shillings x 12 pence equals 240 old d to the £. Will suggest > you > for new chancellor. > Jo. > > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================= Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ================= ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Keith I am not expert and Eve may contradict me but I haven't come across a national land tax in that time period but there was a poor law rate to support the poor and also tithes. The Poor rate was additional to the Tithe which was the Biblical 10% and paid only to the Church of England Parson by everyone, including Methodists. It was often converted from goods to cash and was an additional source of income for the Parson which he used for his own needs. A Parish would be described as being worth x pound equalling the income from the benefice and tithe. The clergy were not exempt from contributing to poor relief. regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Griffiths" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: [OEL] Ecclesiasitical property and land >I understand that parishes, in their churchwardens' account, not only >assessed property and land for collecting tithes, but were also involved in >assessing the same property and land for the national land tax. > > Does anyone know whether ecclesiastical property and land such as > vicarages, parsonages and the church itself had to pay tithes and taxes in > the 1700s and early 1800s? > ~~ > Keith Griffiths > > > ================= > Web Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ================= > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >