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    1. [OEL] The end is here
    2. Judith Werner
    3. This is the last day of Old-English on Rootsweb. See you at the new site, https://groups.io/g/old-english cheers, Judith Werner Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH

    03/01/2020 08:56:38
    1. [OEL] *** REMINDER: OLD-ENGLISH ending March 2 ***
    2. Judith Werner
    3. All Rootsweb lists including this one will end on March 2. If you wish to continue with OLD-ENGLISH, please visit https://groups.io/g/old-english and select 'Join this group' If you're not already a member of groups.io you'll receive a confirmation e-mail that you need to reply to to complete your subscription. Groups.io works quite like Rootsweb but with a with a number of enhancements, including the ability to post images. If you've not already signed up, please do so soon. The end is near! Judith Werner Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH.

    02/28/2020 10:49:21
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Dr Richard Talbot MBE
    3. Thanks for informing us of the new site - hope that it gets far more use in coming days. My interests are the UK poor law (PhD) and hold a near complete archive of manorial court rolls for the Manor of Newcastle under Lyme from 1327 plus many other archives. Best thoughts to all members. Richard community

    01/13/2020 03:18:24
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Dr Richard Talbot MBE
    3. I too have just signed up to the new site. Don’t know why people stopped using the old ono over the last year or so I certainly found it most useful for like-minded people to share in all aspects relating to history. Best Thoughts to all new members Richard -----Original Message----- From: Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> Sent: 12 January 2020 17:41 To: For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English <old-english@rootsweb.com> Subject: [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list Yes, that was a big handicap with Rootsweb. I'm going to give it a go later. Right now I've to shovel some snow. On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:22 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > > It should work better than this List as you can post attachments to it. > Polly > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 12 Jan 2020, at 17:12, Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Polly. > > > > I just saw that -- very happy to see you. I'm about to send a > > welcome message on the new list. Looks very promising! > > > > Happy New Year to you. > > > > regards, > > Judith > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you Judith, I have signed up to the new List! > >> All the best for 2020 > >> Polly > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Judith Werner" <typehey@gmail.com> > >> To: "For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English" > >> <old-english@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:35 AM > >> Subject: [OEL] Subscribing to the new list > >> > >> > >> Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. > >> That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should > >> have given you this one: > >> > >> https://groups.io/g/old-english > >> > >> On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and > >> sending mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably > >> know more about it than I do. > >> > >> In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one > >> being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. > >> > >> > >> cheers, > >> > >> Judith > >> Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> ==================================== > >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and > >> supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> ==================================== > >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > >> Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: > >> http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by > >> Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ==================================== > > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/13/2020 03:10:36
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Judith Werner
    3. Yes, that was a big handicap with Rootsweb. I'm going to give it a go later. Right now I've to shovel some snow. On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:22 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > > It should work better than this List as you can post attachments to it. > Polly > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 12 Jan 2020, at 17:12, Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Polly. > > > > I just saw that -- very happy to see you. I'm about to send a welcome > > message on the new list. Looks very promising! > > > > Happy New Year to you. > > > > regards, > > Judith > > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you Judith, I have signed up to the new List! > >> All the best for 2020 > >> Polly > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Judith Werner" <typehey@gmail.com> > >> To: "For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English" > >> <old-english@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:35 AM > >> Subject: [OEL] Subscribing to the new list > >> > >> > >> Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. > >> That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have > >> given you this one: > >> > >> https://groups.io/g/old-english > >> > >> On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending > >> mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more > >> about it than I do. > >> > >> In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one > >> being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. > >> > >> > >> cheers, > >> > >> Judith > >> Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> ==================================== > >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> ==================================== > >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > ==================================== > > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 10:40:58
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Polly Rubery
    3. It should work better than this List as you can post attachments to it. Polly Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Jan 2020, at 17:12, Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Polly. > > I just saw that -- very happy to see you. I'm about to send a welcome > message on the new list. Looks very promising! > > Happy New Year to you. > > regards, > Judith > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: >> >> Thank you Judith, I have signed up to the new List! >> All the best for 2020 >> Polly >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judith Werner" <typehey@gmail.com> >> To: "For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English" >> <old-english@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:35 AM >> Subject: [OEL] Subscribing to the new list >> >> >> Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. >> That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have >> given you this one: >> >> https://groups.io/g/old-english >> >> On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending >> mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more >> about it than I do. >> >> In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one >> being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. >> >> >> cheers, >> >> Judith >> Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> ==================================== >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> ==================================== >> WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ >> ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 10:21:32
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Judith Werner
    3. Hi Polly. I just saw that -- very happy to see you. I'm about to send a welcome message on the new list. Looks very promising! Happy New Year to you. regards, Judith On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 10:06 AM Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> wrote: > > Thank you Judith, I have signed up to the new List! > All the best for 2020 > Polly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith Werner" <typehey@gmail.com> > To: "For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English" > <old-english@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:35 AM > Subject: [OEL] Subscribing to the new list > > > Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. > That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have > given you this one: > > https://groups.io/g/old-english > > On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending > mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more > about it than I do. > > In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one > being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. > > > cheers, > > Judith > Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List > > _______________________________________________ > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > ==================================== > WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ > ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 10:10:07
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Polly Rubery
    3. Thank you Judith, I have signed up to the new List! All the best for 2020 Polly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Werner" <typehey@gmail.com> To: "For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English" <old-english@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:35 AM Subject: [OEL] Subscribing to the new list Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have given you this one: https://groups.io/g/old-english On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more about it than I do. In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. cheers, Judith Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 09:23:49
    1. [OEL] Re: Subscribing to the new list
    2. Lin Duke
    3. I discovered that I had to sent the first link as a blank email to join. Lin On 11 January 2020, at 00:36, Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> wrote: Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have given you this one: https://groups.io/g/old-english On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more about it than I do. In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. cheers, Judith Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/10/2020 05:40:42
    1. [OEL] Subscribing to the new list
    2. Judith Werner
    3. Earlier I gave you a link for signing up to the new Old-English list. That gave you a pop-up e-mail for doing so but I probably should have given you this one: https://groups.io/g/old-english On this page there are settings you can make for receiving and sending mail. A number of you have signed up already and probably know more about it than I do. In case you missed the first e-mail, this new list replaces the one being discontinued by Rootsweb March 2. cheers, Judith Administrator, OLD-ENGLISH List

    01/10/2020 05:35:33
    1. [OEL] Re: End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one
    2. John Philip Adams
    3. FACE BOOK I am a part of the Willingham family page. We get a lot of traffic daily. -----Original Message----- From: Lin Duke [mailto:dml5481@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 2:41 PM To: old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Re: End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one Judith I have four groups on io but the link you gave doesn't take me to your subscription page. I like io - lots of different settings. Only possible drawback is the 1GB of storage but that only applies to photos, files and attachments and a warning is given when 80% is reached but older files or redundant items can be deleted. Lin ?? ?? A true friend walks in when the world walks out ________________________________ From: Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> Sent: 10 January 2020 17:42 To: For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English <OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com> Subject: [OEL] End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one a Rootsweb will terminate all its mailing lists effective March 2. Archives will still be available, at least for the time being. I've been considering what to do, as follows: -Doing nothing at all since there is little or no OLD-ENGLISH traffic these days. -Moving to Facebook, which many people consider poor for family history or want nothing to do with in any case. -Moving to Google Groups, but I find Google freely discontinues features whenever it suits them. -Moving to groups.io as some other Rootsweb list admins have done. After a quick look at groups.io, I've set up an Old-English list there. It may be a blessing as groups.io offers the ability to post attachments among other features that would benefit us. So far I have not had an opportunity to explore all the options and it may be a while before I do as I'm having vision problems just now but it does look promising and may increase interest. I WILL NOT BE MOVING ANYONE TO THE NEW LIST. If you would like to join, please use this address: old-english+subscribe@groups.io If you would like to post after subscribing, send your message to: old-english@groups.io cheers, Judith Werner OLD-ENGLISH List Administrator _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/10/2020 02:12:41
    1. [OEL] Re: End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one
    2. Lin Duke
    3. Judith I have four groups on io but the link you gave doesn't take me to your subscription page. I like io - lots of different settings. Only possible drawback is the 1GB of storage but that only applies to photos, files and attachments and a warning is given when 80% is reached but older files or redundant items can be deleted. Lin ?? ?? A true friend walks in when the world walks out ________________________________ From: Judith Werner <typehey@gmail.com> Sent: 10 January 2020 17:42 To: For help with reading and interpreting old documents in English <OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com> Subject: [OEL] End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one a Rootsweb will terminate all its mailing lists effective March 2. Archives will still be available, at least for the time being. I've been considering what to do, as follows: -Doing nothing at all since there is little or no OLD-ENGLISH traffic these days. -Moving to Facebook, which many people consider poor for family history or want nothing to do with in any case. -Moving to Google Groups, but I find Google freely discontinues features whenever it suits them. -Moving to groups.io as some other Rootsweb list admins have done. After a quick look at groups.io, I've set up an Old-English list there. It may be a blessing as groups.io offers the ability to post attachments among other features that would benefit us. So far I have not had an opportunity to explore all the options and it may be a while before I do as I'm having vision problems just now but it does look promising and may increase interest. I WILL NOT BE MOVING ANYONE TO THE NEW LIST. If you would like to join, please use this address: old-english+subscribe@groups.io If you would like to post after subscribing, send your message to: old-english@groups.io cheers, Judith Werner OLD-ENGLISH List Administrator _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/10/2020 01:41:09
    1. [OEL] End of Rootsweb mailing lists, including this one
    2. Judith Werner
    3. Rootsweb will terminate all its mailing lists effective March 2. Archives will still be available, at least for the time being. I've been considering what to do, as follows: -Doing nothing at all since there is little or no OLD-ENGLISH traffic these days. -Moving to Facebook, which many people consider poor for family history or want nothing to do with in any case. -Moving to Google Groups, but I find Google freely discontinues features whenever it suits them. -Moving to groups.io as some other Rootsweb list admins have done. After a quick look at groups.io, I've set up an Old-English list there. It may be a blessing as groups.io offers the ability to post attachments among other features that would benefit us. So far I have not had an opportunity to explore all the options and it may be a while before I do as I'm having vision problems just now but it does look promising and may increase interest. I WILL NOT BE MOVING ANYONE TO THE NEW LIST. If you would like to join, please use this address: old-english+subscribe@groups.io If you would like to post after subscribing, send your message to: old-english@groups.io cheers, Judith Werner OLD-ENGLISH List Administrator

    01/10/2020 10:42:31
    1. [OEL] Chancery Latin translation assistance needed
    2. Jeff Bonevich
    3. Greetings! I have been working with some documents from a 1551 Chancery Court case (Freston v Clarke), and one of the documents, as far as I can tell a writ along with an endorsement, is written in Latin. Most of the writ is formulaic, and I tried to translate it myself assisted by an excellent example posted on this very list! I am looking for some assistance in confirming my translation. Latin Transcriptions [brackets indicate expansions of abbreviations, guesses at missing letters; ellipses indicate missing or obscured letters or words] Front: Edwardus sextus dei gra[cia] Angl[ia], Franc[ia] & hibu[rnia] Rex fidei defensor & in t[er]ra[m] eccli[si]e Anglican... Hibe[r]ne sup[re]mum caput. Dil[e]c[t]o & fideli suo Thome Tyrell militi salu[te]m Cum Will[em?] Freston quandam petic[i]o[n[em coram nob[is] in cancellar[ia] n[ost]ra v[er]sus Joh[an]em Clerke nup[er] exhibu[er]it q[uo]d q[ue] eidem Joh[an]i p[er] bre[ve] n[ost]r[u]m p[re]cep[i]m[us] q[ue] q[uo]d esse[n?]t coram nob[is] in cancellar[ia] n[ost]ra p[re]d[i]c[t]a ad c[er]tum diem iam p[re]t[er]it[u]m sub c[er]ta pena in d[i]c[ti]o br[ev]i n[ost]ro contenta petic[i]o[n]i p[re]d[i]c[t]e responsur[i] Ac p[re]d[i]c[t]us Joh[an]es coram nob[is] in d[i]c[ti]a cancellar[ia] n[ost]ra p[re]d[i]c[tu]m diem p[er]sonante compariut [sic: comparuit] & sacr[?aru]m i[b?]idem p[re]s...t corporale q[uo]d[que] euidencias suas secum tunc ibidem non h[ac?] p[ro]p[rie]t[er]ea ad die[m? i?]llium responsionem suam petic[i]o[n]i p[re]d[i]c[t]e co[?]mode fac[er]e non potuit Ac p[ro] eo q[uo]d[que] p[re]d[i]c[t]us Joh[an]es adeo debilis est & impotens q[uo]d[que] vix laborare potest j nos stat[u]m eiusdem Joh[an]is pie compacientes in hac parte atq[ue] de fidelitate v[est]ru[m] plenius confidentes dedim[us] q[ue] vob[is] potestatem & auctoritatem ip[su?]m Joh[an]em de & sup[er] mat[er]ia petic[i]o[n]is p[re]d[ict]e diligent[er] examinandi responsionem q[ue] suam sup[er] eadem recipiendi & in scriptis redigendi. Et ideo vob[is] mandam[us] q[ue] q[uo]d viso tenore [peti]c[i]o[n]is p[re]d[i]c[t]e quem vob[is] mittim[us] q[ue] p[re]sentibe int[er]clus[um] ad c[er]tos diem & locum quos ad hoc p[ro]uideritis ad p[re]fatum q[ue] Joh[an]em accedatis si co[?]mode ad vob[is] laborare non pos… ip[su?]m de & sup[er] mat[er]ia petic[i]o[n]is p[re]d[i]c[t]e sup[er] sacr[amentu]m suu[m] tactis p[er] eum coram vob[is] sacros[anc]tis dei euangelus corporalit[er] p[er]standi diligente[r] examinetis dict[a]m q[ue] suam responsionem eidem petic[i]o[n]i fiendi recipiatis ean dem q[ue] responsionem ut p[re]d[i]c[tu]m est in scriptis redigatius Et cum illam sic cep[er]itis eam nob[is] in cancellor[ia] n[ost]ram p[re]d[i]c[t]am cum tenore p[re]d[i]c[t]o necnon totum f[a]c[tu]m v[est]r[u]m in hac parte in q[u]um dena Pasche p[ro]x[ime] futur[i] ubicumq[ue] tunc fu[er]it sub sigillo v[est]r]o claus[?] distincte & ap[er]te mittatis & hoc bre[ve] T[este] me ip[s]o apud West[monasteriu]m vij die February Anno r[egni] n[ostri] quince / -- Bea[u]monnt Back: Virtute huicis? brevis vocam Joh[a]nes Clerke de Fyni[n]gham que Claud[?] & Impotem est / Cora[m] me Thoma[s] Tyrell de Gyppyng in Com[te] Suff[olk] milit[i] & supra sac[ramentu]m su[u]m tact[is] pramo p[er] eu[m] sacros[anc]tis Dei euangelus / eu[m] Dilige[n]t[er] Examinavi supra peticionem Will[ia]m freston de londonis mercator & de om[ni]b[us?] articulis in peticione p[er]d[icte] Content[is] & specificat[io] / & Redid[i]ct mi[c]hi Responsum su[u]m ut Coniunct[a] in Script[us] h[a]nc breve Amicysis Translations Front: Edward VI, by the grace of God King of England, France and Ireland, Defender of the faith and Supreme head of the Anglican and Irish Church on earth, to his beloved and faithful Thomas Tyrell, knight, greeting. Whereas William Freston lately exhibited a certain petition before us in our Chancery against John Clerke, and that the same John by our writ was instructed to appear before us in our aforesaid Chancery at a certain day now past under a certain penalty contained in our said writ to answer to the aforesaid petition, and the aforesaid John before us in our said Chancery the aforesaid day appeared in person and in this sacred place not having then and there his evidences of the property with him this day, he could not make a timely answer to the aforesaid petition. And since the aforesaid John was so sick and weak [in his body] that he is scarcely able to move, we, compassionate of the state of the same John and fully confident of your loyalty, have given you power and authority diligently to examine the same John of and over the matter of the aforesaid petition, and to receive and record in writing his answer to the same. And therefore we order you that, seeing the tenor of the aforesaid petition which we send to you enclosed in the presents, at a certain day and in a certain place which you shall set for this purpose, you shall go to the aforesaid John if convenient and diligently examine him of and over the matter of the aforesaid petition over his oath, taken bodily before you, God’s Holy gospels being touched by him, and receive in writing his said response to the same petition as is aforesaid. And when you have so taken it, send them to us in our aforesaid chancery with the aforesaid tenor, and of your entire doing in that part at the “quum dena” of Easter next coming wheresoever it shall then be under your seal separately and openly, and this writ. Witness myself at Westminster the 7th day of February, the fifth year of our reign. -- Beaumont Back By virtue of this writ we summoned John Clerke of Finningham who is crippled and powerless before me Thomas Tyrell of Gipping in the County of Suffolk, knight, and over his oath, taken bodily before me, God’s Holy gospels being touched by him, I diligently examined the petition of William Freston of London, merchant, and of all parts in the aforesaid petition intently and as specified, and return his answer as attached in the written brief amicus. So now some specific questions: * In general is my translation accurate? * Did I translate correctly when I said “the aforesaid John before us in our said Chancery the aforesaid day appeared in person”? It seems odd since the appointed day had already passed. * Did I translate correctly when I said “not having then and there his evidences of the property with him this day, he could not make a timely answer”? That would be more consistent with him being present in Court. Seems odd though if he showed up, but was too sick and weak and scarcely able to move - but maybe that is just more standard prose? * What is the “quum dena Pasche”? I get Easter but am not sure what the first two words indicate - maybe a bad transcription? * Did I translate correctly when I said “who is crippled and powerless” in the endorsement (back)? * “Written brief amicus” or “written brief -- Amicysis”? In other words is that actually the name of a person? * Throughout the writ the writer used an abbreviation ‘qdi’ that I translated to ‘quodque’. Was that correct? Thanks for any assistance! Jeff

    07/30/2019 05:39:05
    1. [OEL] Re: Method Paper Available.
    2. Gerard Cheshire
    3. Hi Chris, You miss the point entirely - it is a 'theory': i.e. neither correct nor incorrect, until it has been independently considered and tested. I've never claimed anything else - that'll be the press again. Cheers, Gerard. ________________________________ From: Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> Sent: 05 July 2019 18:37:31 To: OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Re: Method Paper Available. Gerard Cheshire wrote: > Controversy? Not my doing - that was just the press whipping-up the story to sell units. That's nonsense. But in any case, the Voynich manuscript, not being written in any kind of English, has no connection with the subject of this list, and your attempts to disseminate your theories here are off-topic. Chris Phillips _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    07/05/2019 12:18:06
    1. [OEL] Re: Method Paper Available.
    2. Chris Phillips
    3. Gerard Cheshire wrote: > Controversy? Not my doing - that was just the press whipping-up the story to sell units. That's nonsense. But in any case, the Voynich manuscript, not being written in any kind of English, has no connection with the subject of this list, and your attempts to disseminate your theories here are off-topic. Chris Phillips

    07/05/2019 11:37:31
    1. [OEL] Re: Method Paper Available.
    2. Gerard Cheshire
    3. Thanks Chris, Controversy? Not my doing - that was just the press whipping-up the story to sell units. I merely published a blind peer-reviewed theory in a reputable journal for others to respond to - that is how science works. If a theory works then it is probably right on the money, hence passing peer-review. Have a splendid weekend everyone. Gerard. ________________________________ From: Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk> Sent: 05 July 2019 13:21:42 To: OLD-ENGLISH@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Method Paper Available. Gerard Cheshire wrote: > Following the publication of the peer-reviewed paper The Language and Writing System of MS408 (Voynich) Explained, in the journal Romance Studies, many scholars have > requested a method paper of instruction in order to participate in translating the entire manuscript. > Thus, a free method paper is know available to download from the LingBuzz website, titled The Algorithmic Method for Translating MS408 (Voynich): https://ling.auf.net > /lingbuzz/004653 > The manuscript originates from Castello Aragonese, Ischia, Italy, c. 1444, and was written as an aid mémoire for Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon. Whilst it isn't > written in English, it is based on Latin, so there is a good deal of relevance to Old English. Obviously people should be aware that Dr Cheshire's claims about the Voynich manuscript are extremely controversial. Chris Phillips _______________________________________________ ==================================== WEB PAGE: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oel/ ARCHIVES: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=OLD-ENGLISH _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/old-english@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    07/05/2019 06:33:25
    1. [OEL] Method Paper Available.
    2. Chris Phillips
    3. Gerard Cheshire wrote: > Following the publication of the peer-reviewed paper The Language and Writing System of MS408 (Voynich) Explained, in the journal Romance Studies, many scholars have > requested a method paper of instruction in order to participate in translating the entire manuscript. > Thus, a free method paper is know available to download from the LingBuzz website, titled The Algorithmic Method for Translating MS408 (Voynich): https://ling.auf.net > /lingbuzz/004653 > The manuscript originates from Castello Aragonese, Ischia, Italy, c. 1444, and was written as an aid mémoire for Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon. Whilst it isn't > written in English, it is based on Latin, so there is a good deal of relevance to Old English. Obviously people should be aware that Dr Cheshire's claims about the Voynich manuscript are extremely controversial. Chris Phillips

    07/05/2019 06:21:42
    1. [OEL] Method Paper Available.
    2. Gerard Cheshire
    3. Dear Old-English List Members, Following the publication of the peer-reviewed paper The Language and Writing System of MS408 (Voynich) Explained, in the journal Romance Studies, many scholars have requested a method paper of instruction in order to participate in translating the entire manuscript. Thus, a free method paper is know available to download from the LingBuzz website, titled The Algorithmic Method for Translating MS408 (Voynich): https://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/004653 The manuscript originates from Castello Aragonese, Ischia, Italy, c. 1444, and was written as an aid mémoire for Maria of Castile, Queen of Aragon. Whilst it isn't written in English, it is based on Latin, so there is a good deal of relevance to Old English. Kindest regards, Dr. Gerard Cheshire. Research Associate. University https://bristol.academia.edu/GerardCheshire

    07/04/2019 02:10:00
    1. [OEL] Re: Two trees standing
    2. Barbara Youds
    3. Thank you Richard and Polly, I think they may have had a value as timber for felling at some future date. I've just looked again his son's will (which I transcribed some years ago) and his occupation is given as joiner. -----Original Message----- From: Polly Rubery <polly@rowberry.org> Sent: 08 June 2019 14:11 To: old-english@rootsweb.com Subject: [OEL] Re: Two trees standing A typical inventory for someone of the older generation having lived out their days in a room in a property belonging to a son or daughter, with a few personal possessions only remaining of their own. But often they would have access to money that they would lend out to family and friends, hence the debts owing to them. The two standing trees are what it says probably mature trees by their value, which could be obtained by felling them. However don’t see why they would necessarily have been ear marked for felling. Polly Sent from my iPhone > On 8 Jun 2019, at 13:50, Barbara Youds <barbara.youds@outlook.com> wrote: > > Good afternoon, > I have a copy of an inventory made in Lancashire in 1695. The total is > over £350 (quite a lot for the place and time), but with few details, > most of the amounts are debts owed to the deceased, with goods in the > parlour and little chamber listed only as £8. There is only one other > item listed and I'm a bit puzzled, 'Two trees standing £4 15s'. > Earmarked for felling? 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    06/08/2019 07:23:40