At 10:31 PM 10/1/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >I am in need of help to know how to find out if someone listed on the Dawes >roll, or Guion roll is my grandmother. Ca I get more specific info by using >the apl. Number? Any help is appreciated. Researching TURNER, WHITE, BAXTER, >DAWSON TRUEL/TRULL/TRUE The roll number is the DOCUMENT number, think of it that way, and the document has information on it. The Dawes roll number information (once you get it) will have the following info: Last Name First Name Dawes # Census # (another document to look at) Miller # (another document to look at) age sex blood Miller Surname Address If there is a Miller number listed the Miller roll will give you: Last name First name miller # Miller Application # (another doc) Dawes # census card # (another document) age relation Deg blood Dawes surname address In the applications you will find (EVEN IN THE REJECTED ONES) Mother, father, Grandfather, Grandmother, Aunts, Children dates of birth dates of deaths, etc. There were up to 5 pages of information required in each of these applications. You can see that a search of indian heritage can get quite expensive and time consuming. Cherokee Names and Facts (a pretty reliable service) charges 50 dollars to do this and will provide hard copies of all the rolls they find your surname in. They charge an extra 20 for applications and another 20 for Guion/Miller. ****For them to even START---YOU---Have to have found your kin on a roll.*** THIS IS CHEROKEE ONLY. Cherokee Names and Facts PO Box 525 Cherokee, NC 28719 (704) 497-9709 My suggestion to anyone who is thinking of researching their Indian Blood is to save a lot of money, come to Oklahoma, and spend a lot of money and time and expect to get VERY frustrated and lose a lot of hair. I think it is apropos, really....If you want to be an indian...then you have to pay!! (serves us right) ooo I better hush before I become to radical. Nalora