At 03:44 PM 9/29/98 -0500, Vickie Taylor wrote: > When I was looking for Mason info, I just called a Mason member and he >gave me the phone number for the state office. They were real helpful and >gave me a number for an office in Tennessee. (Needless to say, I called >Oklahoma state office.) > I haven't found the number yet but I will keep looking. You know, as a general rule, Oklahomans are very helpful people, I think. Oh, there are a few that are nasty-fied, but you can chalk that up to living up north where people are crowded in like rats in a cage for the most part. I got to thinking WHY are Okies so nice? I think it is because both the Indian part and the White part were two groups of people just looking for a home... ROOTS. you know? I think when they find out you are trying to find your roots..you are trying to find your family, I think there is a spiritual yearning that they can really grasp. maybe I am too romantic-minded. Nalora

At 04:23 PM 9/29/98 -0400, Elaine Miller wrote: >Nelora -- I looked for a cemetery in Bokachito, OK but did >not find that town listed. You had said "near Bokachito". >Do you have another town name. Also the cemetery book is >not quite as helpful. It is only perpetual care cemeteries >which the secretary at our funeral home tells me is usually >just the newer ones. If there is another town name let me >know. Also thanks for looking up the obituary for Andrew >Llwelyn Rowe. I am looking forward to receiving your >e-mail. Hope I can help you out in return. Well I bought yet another cool book at OHS bookstore called: Roads Of OKlahoma and it lists all the dinky little roads and towns and all that. and has the cemtaries listed too. there is one. There is a small cemetary outside of Bokachito OK. It is added to my next road trip. Nalora

At 12:51 PM 9/29/98 -0700, ednix@Pacbell.net wrote: >While looking through ebay (online auction) I came across an invoice >from Shawnee, dated June 20, 1899. It is for the estate of J. W. S. >LAND. Billed to L. A. THOMPSON, administrator of the estate. Sworn to >by J.M DRAPER, principal in the firm. And witnessed by H.E. BEARD, >presumablly a notary. Henry G. Beard was the founder of Shawnee, Ok. Was it a misprint or an error in transcription, or a Son of H. G. BEARD? Nalora

At 02:24 PM 9/29/98 -0700, Kyle & Evelyn Long wrote: >Can anyone tell me what kind of records I might find around or before >1893 I am Looking for information on Levi Berry Long born In TN but Came >to Ok he was there about 5 years when he died in Maybe 1893 possibly >Atoka Ok Not to give a lecture on Oklahoma history (again) but...First of all, Oklahoma did not exist in 1893 and the sooner you start thinking that way when you research in Oklahoma the better off you will be. The rule of thumb for the US is (generally) the sooner it had a GOVERNMENT, the sooner it had PAPERWORK. Now the second thing to remember and to visualize is that the US is a group of CONQUERED NATIONS and the Indians are a CONQUERED people of a CONTINENT. The white man just kept taking it piece meal til it all belonged to them. The third thing to realize is that some tribes were considered more "civilized" than others. CIVIL key word: Government = Paperwork. If your Indian roots are one of the five civilized tribes, the more likely there will be some type of governmental type paperwork concerning them. If your white ancestors were in IT, and the tribe was civilized the more likely there will be a piece of paper with your loved one's name on it stashed somewhere in the various archives of what is now: Oklahoma. The Indian Nations still exist as a people, however, they are kind of like the people of Tibet today. They are a people, they just have other people living and governing their country. (and not by choice) Oklahoma is the zenith---the pennacle of this conquering of a Nation. That said, let's look at some papers: Was your kin in Indian Terr or what was left of Indian territory? Look at the county you have and then place it in a Twin territories map. Look at your dates to see what land was opened and when. Now figure out if the land could have been his, or someone else's..or tribal land. Let me give you some dates to work with: He may have gotten some land in land runs, or allotments, or lottery. If he got his land in the run of April 22 1889 he would be most likely on the 1890 partial census, AND a land run list since the Unassigned Territories were the first land run on April 22, 1889, and a census was done, and still exists for most of this area. (see why maps are so important, especially in Oklahoma---I won't even talk about Georgia and the land lotteries.) Iowa, Sac and Fox, Pottawatomie-Shawnee lands opened by run Sept 22, 1891. If he was in this area, he may have been on the run lists. Tonkawa Lands opened by Allotment in 1891 Cheyenne-Arapaho Lands opened by run Sept 19, 1892. Pawnee lands by Allotment, 1892 Cherokee Outlet opened by run Sept 16 1893. Kickapoo lands opened by run May 23 1895. Greer County awarded to Indian Territory by Supreme court 1896 settled under TEXAS by act of congress 1897. (Indian givers!! sorry, bad joke) Wichita, Caddo, Kiowa, Commanche and Apache Lands opened by lottery, July 9 to Aug 6 1901. Ponca and Oto-Missouri Lands by allotment 1904 Osage and Kaw lands by allotment 1906. Kiowa, Commanche, Apache, Wichita, and Caddo Lands big pasture allotments 1906. Statehood: 1907. On the OKGENWEB page there is a wonderful list of various censuses that are available for different areas. Most are listed there, I think I only found a couple omissions, but gave a list over to Marti so she could add the couple I did not see listed. (remember the dream....) The HANDYbook will also tell you some documents that are available and where, I honestly believe that if you are serious about research this should be the FIRST book to buy after a basic "how to" book on Geneaology. The Three books I use the most are listed in the bibliography of the Handybook for Oklahoma under Atlases/Maps/Gazetteers. Let's just look at the entry in the handybook of my fav little county in Oklahoma: Name Map Index Date Created Parent county Pottawatomie G3 1891 Original county/Pottawatomie-Shawnee lands Pottawatomie County, 325 N. Broadway St. Shawnee OK 74801-6938 (Clk has m, div, pro & ct rec; Co Clk has Ind rec from 1892) Lots of info in just 4 sentences, eh? But me....I have written a heap 'o sentences here , so I better go before I give you information overload, and you begin to hate me. Nalora

In a message dated 9/29/98 6:19:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, dgardner@teleport.com writes: << Nalora, You are awesome! I just wanted you to know how much I have enjoyed all of your information. Not only have they been entertaining, your reports have been very informative. We have learned so much about all the people and places for which we are searching. Thanks Marilyn Reeder Gardner >> I second the motion, Nalora. You do a wonderful job, and I love your sense of humor. We might as well have fun while we research. Keep it up. Barbara

Thank you for typing in the letter. I think that Robert TURNER was my great- grandfather. Would you be able to tell me what I need to request from OHS. I am thinking that I need to see the original permit issued to him. Please tell me if I am on the right track. I do greatly appreciate your help. Oh, by the way, I am a southerner, but have family in Claremore and Tulsa and Bartlesville. They make fun of my southern drawl. I also realize that my grandmother may not have admitted she was married to a part Indian man, much less admitted her part Indian ancestry. I would love to find the truth on paper, however, I know the truth in my heart already. Thank you for your help and any direction you can point me in.

NALORE do you know where dornes crossing is . I know it's were the army crossed the candian river going beteen Ft Sill and Ft mobetee tx thats were my dad was born in 1900 BK WARE

I am looking for info on the spouses of 3 of my Cherokee Ward direct ancestors: John Ward m. Catherine McDaniel, b abt 1770. Her mother was called "Granny Hopper" and was a daughter of Chief Kanagatoga, known as "Old Hop". Does anyone have info on this family? John's son, George Ward, m. Lucy Mayes b 3/15/1789 in GA. She was sister of Samuel Mayes and aunt of Cherokee Chiefs Samuel Mayes Jr. and Joel Mayes.. Who were Lucy's parents? George's grandson, Joseph Lynch Ward was a Cherokee Judge and married Alice N. Scott b abt 1850, m abt 1875 (from Kentucky) Who were Alice's parents? Gordon W. Pace

Can anyone tell me what kind of records I might find around or before 1893 I am Looking for information on Levi Berry Long born In TN but Came to Ok he was there about 5 years when he died in Maybe 1893 possibly Atoka Ok Thanks Evelyn

Has anyone seen any transcriptions for the Claremore cemeteries? I am so disappointed that Rogers county just has that famous people stuff. Am I not looking in the right place?

When I was looking for Mason info, I just called a Mason member and he gave me the phone number for the state office. They were real helpful and gave me a number for an office in Tennessee. (Needless to say, I called Oklahoma state office.) I haven't found the number yet but I will keep looking. Vickie Neill Taylor flip@chickasaw.com

At 03:28 PM 9/29/98 EDT, WendyGayle@aol.com wrote: >My father has had a stroke. I will be in Tulsa, OK until Nov. 1. I guess, I >should have told y'all that I live in Houston. Anyway, they have a really >nice library there dedicated to genealogy. I plan to talk back and forth with >Sharon Crawford, Marti, and Nalora and help out if possible. I will be >checking my e-mail. Hugs Be prayin for ya. Nalora

I look at the cemetery and funeral home books and did not have much luck today. I could not find either places that were requested. Wendy -- I did not find a listing for Mowbray Funeral Home in Tulsa. I think the funeral home book is all active funeral homes so it must not be active. Nelora -- I looked for a cemetery in Bokachito, OK but did not find that town listed. You had said "near Bokachito". Do you have another town name. Also the cemetery book is not quite as helpful. It is only perpetual care cemeteries which the secretary at our funeral home tells me is usually just the newer ones. If there is another town name let me know. Also thanks for looking up the obituary for Andrew Llwelyn Rowe. I am looking forward to receiving your e-mail. Hope I can help you out in return. Elaine

While looking through ebay (online auction) I came across an invoice from Shawnee, dated June 20, 1899. It is for the estate of J. W. S. LAND. Billed to L. A. THOMPSON, administrator of the estate. Sworn to by J.M DRAPER, principal in the firm. And witnessed by H.E. BEARD, presumablly a notary.

Whoever wanted the LIVELY obit. Your email address was cut off by my dinosaur of a printer that does not like my OS. Please write me EMAIL to recieve your obit. Nalora

Could some one tell me where TWS. (1910 census)COWLINGTON and in 1920, TWS. BOKOSHE were located. I have a county map to look on. My ARCHABALD ROBERTS and uncle AARON HOLDEN were there at this time. Thank you, Dortha

I live in Tulsa, and found Mowery Funeral Service at 9110 N. Garnett in Tulsa Phone book. This might be the one you are looking for. Connie

STITT: Your Miami Tribal rolls are housed at tribe level. There are a myriad of microfilm rolls dealing with the Miami tribe in the Indian Archives. I am sorry I cannot do more for you here. DARDENNE: Your Quapaw rolls are housed at tribal level. again, many many many microfilm rolls and documents concerning the Quapaw tribe. These two are major research lookups. You may have to spend some cash and time to get your Indian relations. You might try doing some searching on the OKGenWeb and various tribals sites and search engine stuff online and see what you come up with, if you have not done this already. LOCKE: I have the final DAWES roll numbers for the Locke family. A note here: a ROLL number is like a DOCUMENT number. You will find a bunch of information by having the roll number, if you can ever get to that point. The Indian Archives people will do some searching for you, but it will be some time before you get anything back, so be patient. There are some good books available on searching your Indian heritage available at the Museum store. Nalora

This was a FUN lookup!!! It was the first thing on my list this morning and to tell you the truth it made my day!! I hope you do not mind my sharing this with the group, as once again, it shows what can be found in a document in a lookup. DOC # 31392 is found on Microfilm roll CRN 37 Microfilm pages: 1258-1260. This microfilm is in the Indian Archives at the OHS. The document is a letter and I am going to type it in verbatim. The misspelled words are not mine. It is a handwritten letter, one page is barely legible. Red Fort, IT Dec 3rd 1884 Hon Chas McIntosh Deputy Permit Collection for Okmulgee Dist Sir We the under signed citisens of the Nation & Dist & nighberhood do present the following objictions to following named persons in this nighboorhood John Rawls & Robert Turner residing in Contracted Pasture in violation of Laws of MN. & belonging to the Cook gang and making their home a rendivouse for outlaws generally Perry Robinson & Newt B-hammer[?] Destroying Pecan trees contrary to Law of MN & killing nighbors hogs George Baker has been breaking MN laws & being in clost relation with Cook gang meeting them out of nights and playing cards with them. yours resp CB Perryman That is the entire document. I stopped into the museum gift/book shop and they have the following book available: Marauders of the Indian Nation: The Cook Gang and Cherokee Bill by Glenn SHIRLEY (who woulda thunk?) "The story of Crawford "Cherokee Bill" Goldsby and William Tuttle "Bill" Cook whose exploits terrorized the Indian Territory in the Mid-1890's ending with the imprisonment of Bill Cook and the hanging of Cherokee Bill in Ft. Smith Arkansas. 180 pages. Hardback $21.95 The museum book store is online at www.ok-history.mus.ok.us The do accept credit cards and do have a catalog available online. Some of the sales for books there go to the Museum and support the folks housing your kin's documents. (is that a sales pitch or what??) They do have both the Oklahoma Historical Atlas and the Ghost Town book I love there. Nalora

Hello, Would anyone have an index or a copy of the 1900 & 1910 census for Muskogee Co. or Haskell OK. I'm looking for William S. WILEY b in IL. Thank you so much for your help. Shirley