Hi all, In case you have not heared the king of the cowboys died to day, Gene is gone.

Thank you for the information. I will have a look at the 1900 census. the families were living in Olkmulgee and Chelsea or Claremore then, I think

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907365638_boundary Content-ID: <0_907365638@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Perhaps you do not understand what I requested. I do not live in an area where the microfilm is available at my public library. I believe that the volunteers understand that before I order something I will not need, I would like to try and find out if the people listed could possibly be related to mne. I am willing to look up whatever I can. Obviously I looked at the Dawes Roll myself. I have requested inter-library loans, however, if I don't know what to request on loan, how can I request it? I am surprised that you have so much anger towards people who have questions. In a message dated 10/2/98 2:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, halfbreed1@bigfoot.com writes: << I do not BELIEVE some of you Net people who are obviously new to genealogy! You expect other people to do your research FOR YOU!!! The lady took HER time to explain, step by step, how to do it. and NOW you want someone else to spend THEIR money to rent microfilm FOR YOU, and then spend THEIR TIME (2 to 3 hours, at least) to read the microfilm and look up the information FOR YOU! Would they then be asked to present it to you on a gold platter-- or would a silver one do? GEEEESSSSHHH!! She told you that you could do it from your own public library, for Gods sake -- and NO ONE but you can obtain the birth and death certificates of your family. That's the LAW!!!!! What are you going to be doing during all of this time-- polishing your toe-nails???? CH +++++ Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the info. I am new to the list, so I didn't have any idea where to > go after finding the names. I need to know who might have the census records > and who would be willing to look up the family. Are the census records > online? Thanks > Cindy > WHITE,TURNER,DAWSON,BAXTER,TRUEL/TRULL/TRUE ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <halfbreed1@bigfoot.com> Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rl >> --part0_907365638_boundary Content-ID: <0_907365638@inet_out.mail.bigfoot.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <halfbreed1@bigfoot.com> Received: from rly-za01.mx.aol.com (rly-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.97]) by air-za02.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:15:36 -0400 Received: from via1.viagrafix.com (via1.viagrafix.com [206.41.137.2]) by rly-za01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA17908 for <Bravewmn@aol.com>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigfoot.com ([207.204.102.66]) by via1.viagrafix.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-54402U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for <Bravewmn@aol.com>; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <3613C63D.A8A33A25@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:13:17 -0500 From: Chinossa <halfbreed1@bigfoot.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) To: Bravewmn@aol.com Subject: Re: Dawes Roll References: <76b6992d.3614a637@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I do not BELIEVE some of you Net people who are obviously new to genealogy! You expect other people to do your research FOR YOU!!! The lady took HER time to explain, step by step, how to do it. and NOW you want someone else to spend THEIR money to rent microfilm FOR YOU, and then spend THEIR TIME (2 to 3 hours, at least) to read the microfilm and look up the information FOR YOU! Would they then be asked to present it to you on a gold platter-- or would a silver one do? GEEEESSSSHHH!! She told you that you could do it from your own public library, for Gods sake -- and NO ONE but you can obtain the birth and death certificates of your family. That's the LAW!!!!! What are you going to be doing during all of this time-- polishing your toe-nails???? CH +++++ Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the info. I am new to the list, so I didn't have any idea where to > go after finding the names. I need to know who might have the census records > and who would be willing to look up the family. Are the census records > online? Thanks > Cindy > WHITE,TURNER,DAWSON,BAXTER,TRUEL/TRULL/TRUE --part0_907365638_boundary--

Still plugging away at this. Thanks to all who have sent me info. What I have is most all came from Wales/England LaRue>France. In the early 1800's. If anyone can find a link with American Indian To THATCHER-NUTT COVERT OR CHERRY. This is the missing link that we are working on. We know it is from that side but have as of yet to come upon it. Thank you the EDWARDS Family.

My great-grandmother was Alice Jane DAWSON, daughter of Rueben DAWSON, and Jane BAXTER DAWSON. Might have been Creek. WHITE is harder. My great-grandfather was John James Franklin WHITE, married to Ida Flora Turel(?) WHITE I can't find TRUEL anywhere! Thanks, Cindy

T, Cherokee, and Creek. I'm not sure about any others. Thanks, C

Chelsea, OK is in Rogers Co. Cindy

I have noticed since I subscribed to this that there are alot of people who know about Indian History. I work for the Chickasaw Nation, but no one can answer the following question for me...I thought maybe someone here could. My ggrandfather, Wesley Nicholas Dean, M.D., practiced medicine in the Chickasaw Nation from 1892 to 1908. In his obituary from the Texas State Medical Journal it states that he passed the Chickasaw Indian Board in 1893. What was the Chickasaw Indian Board? I enjoy this page very much. Thanks to Nalora and all of the others that seem to care that we find our family and put so much time into helping. Also, I live in Pontotoc County and would happy to help here if someone needs it. Peggy Dean-Atwood

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1CB150BE20F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many of you are afflicted with this malady????? --------------1CB150BE20F9 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline From: "or-roots" <or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us> Sender: "Leslie Campbell" <lesliec@gv.net> To: <or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us> Reply-To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Errors-To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Received: from lion.state.or.us ([159.121.88.21]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA15039; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:00:19 +0000 Received: from archive14.sos.state.or.us by lion.state.or.us; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:58:59 -0800 Return-Path: <or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us> Message-ID: <021a01bd2885$2dc839a0$34a4a2cd@0.0.0.0.gv.net> Subject: GENEOLOGY POX? Precedence: Bulk X-Listserver: ListSTAR v1.1 by StarNine Technologies, a Quarterdeck Company Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 05:01:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think I've been infected...how about you? The following was posted on the Australia-L last week by Jenny Brandis of Meekatharra Western Australia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- GENEALOGY POX DISCOVERED IN AUSTRALIA! SYMPTOMS: Continual complaint as to the need for names, dates, kinship and places. Patient has blank expressions, sometimes deaf to spouses and children. Has no taste for work of any kind except feverishly looking through records at Libraries and Archives. Has a compulsion to write letters, swears at the postman when he doesn't deliver any mail. Frequents strange places such as cemeteries, ruins, remote country areas. Makes night calls, hides the phone bill from spouse, mumbles to oneself, often a strange far away look in the eye. CURE: No known cure! TREATMENT: Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal, but gets progressively worse, needs a quiet corner in the house where he/she can be alone. REMARKS: The unusual nature of the disease is -- the sicker the patient gets, the more they enjoy it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The Global Gazette, Vol. 2, No. 2, January 23, 1998 --------------1CB150BE20F9--

Looking for the descendants of Solomon JONES listed on the 1855 Census Apukshunnubbee District, Boktucklo County, Choctaw Nation 133 - Solomon JONES Ruth Noel b.est 1840 Choctaw Nation Sam b. est 1847 Choctaw Nation Edmund b.est 1849 Choctaw Nation Leveen Pheba Claiben 131 - Thomas JONES (s/o Solomon JONES) Loshoma Elizabeth Amy Apukshunnubbee District, Towson County, Choctaw Nation 110 - Impson JONES (s/o Solomon JONES) Willis David Jincy Eliza Caherine Impson JONES - est 1821 Robin JONES - est 1833 Thomas JONES - est 1834 Wallace JONES - 1836 Noel JONES - est 1840 Sam JONES - est 1847 Edmond JONES - est 1849 I have a lot of information on this Choctaw family and would love to hear from other descendants. Would also like to hear from other JONES who are part of the Choctaw tribe. Tammy Jones 112 W. Ash Duncan OK 73533

PLEASE - is there anyone out there who can help us locate Coach Driggers - not David - the other one. We think he is our cousin as David is constantly being mistaken for him, so we know they look a lot alike, but we need his first name to contact him. Also, does anyone know of a Jean that was married to Cecil Driggers in the 20's or 30's. And final, can anyone help up locate a Barbara Hamilton that attended H.S. in the 1970's in Okla. City. Any information on these three names would be greatly appreciated. Instead of taking up space on the list, you can E-mail me privately at kshill@hotmail.com if you would like to. Thanking you in advance if anyone can help with either of these 3 people. Sharon Driggers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

A great CD, but does not show all the information that may be on the census card, some census cards show parents who maybe dead at the time of the census. It is more like an index, but does show the age, blood, roll # and census card #. ---------- From: Vashti <vashti@theshop.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKROOTS-L] Native American Collection CD Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 8:20 AM At 08:08 AM 10/2/98 EDT, Jamialane@aol.com wrote: >Nalora >This is a great source for five civilized tribes research. I own this CD and >have found it priceless. It saves hours of time and relationships are easy to >establish buy looking up everyone with a certain census card number. >Now if they could only put complete census information on CD >we'd have it made! The Archive people and the Oklahoma Historical Society in general is so meticulous, that when I saw it, I said...yupper! I know what I am getting myself for my birthday in October. 8) (My birthday is Oct 19--a little early, but hey, maybe I will be good at using it by then!) Nalora

At 08:08 AM 10/2/98 EDT, Jamialane@aol.com wrote: >Nalora >This is a great source for five civilized tribes research. I own this CD and >have found it priceless. It saves hours of time and relationships are easy to >establish buy looking up everyone with a certain census card number. >Now if they could only put complete census information on CD >we'd have it made! The Archive people and the Oklahoma Historical Society in general is so meticulous, that when I saw it, I said...yupper! I know what I am getting myself for my birthday in October. 8) (My birthday is Oct 19--a little early, but hey, maybe I will be good at using it by then!) Nalora

To all, I was told by a cousin last night that her FEE ancestors went to Oklahoma and mine may have gone there, too. They left OH after 1850. I'm looking for John L & Rachael (FEE) EAGLE and Moses & Mary Ann (EAGLE) FEE. There are also other if you have either surname please contact me. ttyl Debbie

FISHER cemetary, Wagoner County Sec 2 R19E T18N Fenced and some portions maintained. There are many unmarked graves in this cemetary and a great many Headstones are inscribed in Cherokee alphabet. The Fishers listed FISHER, Charley 1885 - 1886 Tom no dates William Martin died Feb. 30, 1888 Aged 45 years John (Johnson) Fisher died Feb 19, 1885 Aged 40 years Sarah 1851 - 1932 Ben no dates Ben 1878 - 1880 Daisy no dates Dick no dates Rachel no dates Infant no dates Dokey no dates New Hope Cemetary, Muskogee County Sec 22, R19E, T15N No Fence, some graves maintained, many unmarked, total number unknown. FISHER, Ruth A 1884 - 1914 Baby Aug-Sept 1909 Jerry M. 1847 - 1930 Catherine 1859 -1946 Nalora

Native American Collection CD by The Freinds of the Oklahoma Historical Society Archives and GenRef INC Contains: *SEARCHABLE DATABASES include the Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five civilized tribes (DAWES Rolls for Cherokee, Chickasaw. Choctaw, Creek and Seminole) Chilocco Indian School Records; 1896 Dawes Enrollment applications; Dawes rejected names. *SCANNED BOOK IMAGES include the final rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the five civilized tribes (DAWES rolls) DC Gideon's Indian Territory, Descriptive biographical and genealogical (1901); H. F. and E. S O'Beires' The Indian Territory: Its Chiefs, Legislators and leading men (1892), Paul W. H. Dewitz Notable Men of Indian Territory (1904-1905) *MICROFILM CATALOGS: Oklahoma Historical Society Archives and Manuscripts Microfilm Collection Catalog, the National Archives Native American Microfilm Catalog, National Archives-Southwest region (Fort Worth) Catalog of American Microfilm *HISTORIC INDIAN IMAGES From the Photographic section of the Oklahoma Historical Society Archives and Manuscripts division. *SUPPLEMENTARY Information containing an Indian Q&A section with helpful information from the Bureau of Indian Affairs; a Native American Directory with important addresses; a list of over 50,000 "missing" indians due money from the individual Indian Monies program. The Windows CD runs on an IBM PC compatible (386 Min, 486 or higher rec) running at least Windows 3.1, color VGA, 2XCDROM, 4MB RAM, 2MB HD disk space) cost: Oklahoma Residents: $59.95, $5.02 tax, $3.00 postage. TOTAL $67.97 NOTE: Total cost for non-Oklahoma Residents is $62.95 Send check or money order to: Friends of the Archives P.O Box 18781 Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0781 This is the CD-ROM I am purchasing and going to a class on, Monday Evening. I think you can see for someone like me, that enjoys looking up things, this could be a real time saver, and good resource. Nalora

Nalora This is a great source for five civilized tribes research. I own this CD and have found it priceless. It saves hours of time and relationships are easy to establish buy looking up everyone with a certain census card number. Now if they could only put complete census information on CD we'd have it made! Regards Jami Self Hamilton

At 10:31 PM 10/1/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >I am in need of help to know how to find out if someone listed on the Dawes >roll, or Guion roll is my grandmother. Ca I get more specific info by using >the apl. Number? Any help is appreciated. Researching TURNER, WHITE, BAXTER, >DAWSON TRUEL/TRULL/TRUE The roll number is the DOCUMENT number, think of it that way, and the document has information on it. The Dawes roll number information (once you get it) will have the following info: Last Name First Name Dawes # Census # (another document to look at) Miller # (another document to look at) age sex blood Miller Surname Address If there is a Miller number listed the Miller roll will give you: Last name First name miller # Miller Application # (another doc) Dawes # census card # (another document) age relation Deg blood Dawes surname address In the applications you will find (EVEN IN THE REJECTED ONES) Mother, father, Grandfather, Grandmother, Aunts, Children dates of birth dates of deaths, etc. There were up to 5 pages of information required in each of these applications. You can see that a search of indian heritage can get quite expensive and time consuming. Cherokee Names and Facts (a pretty reliable service) charges 50 dollars to do this and will provide hard copies of all the rolls they find your surname in. They charge an extra 20 for applications and another 20 for Guion/Miller. ****For them to even START---YOU---Have to have found your kin on a roll.*** THIS IS CHEROKEE ONLY. Cherokee Names and Facts PO Box 525 Cherokee, NC 28719 (704) 497-9709 My suggestion to anyone who is thinking of researching their Indian Blood is to save a lot of money, come to Oklahoma, and spend a lot of money and time and expect to get VERY frustrated and lose a lot of hair. I think it is apropos, really....If you want to be an indian...then you have to pay!! (serves us right) ooo I better hush before I become to radical. Nalora

At 09:40 PM 10/1/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >It was the Cherokee Phoenix, so named becasue like the Phoenix, the Cherokee >nation rose from the "ashes" so to speak after the removal from their >homeland. Elias Boudinot was Cherokee, and Major Ridge also wrote articles >for the paper. A gret book that has all this info "the Rise and Fall of the >Cherokee Nation" by John Ehle . I recently checked out a film series at the local library called: "Oklahoma Passage". It was all about tracing Oklahoma roots only done in "movie" format, and it talked a great deal about him. (that was why it stuck in my head when I read this paper) Nalora

>From: "ginny manning" <ginman@connectcorp.net> >To: AGS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AGS-L] Fwd: Has the list seen this? >Saw this on another list and thought it might interest someone on this list. > > >"VIRGINIAN REVIEW - Sat 15 Aug 1998." It had the heading "VA >>MAN TRYING TO FIND FAMILY TO RETURN BIBLE.' >The article reads "YORK, Pa. - A Virginia man is trying to return a 100 >year old Bible to the descendants of a York County, PA family. >But finding them has not been an easy matter. > >Julian Gordon of Newport News, VA. >> Came into possession of the Bible last year, when his father-in-law >died. >His father-in-law had purchased the Bible in 1973 at an auction >in Delta. >But trying to find the family, Gordon doesn't have much to go on >-- just a few names written inside and eight photographs. The name >that occurs frequently is Stough. >The York County telephone lists about 145 numbers for homes and >businesses under that name. Gordon tried calling some of the Stoughs. >A few were openly skeptical, apparently think the call was some kind of >hoax..............." >Inscriptions, photographs, and papers inside the bible tell: "it was >given to Harry Isaiah Stough by his mother, Savannah on 25 Dec >1885. >Harry had a brother named Ammon, who married Minnie F Welk. >They had at least three children: Marie Florence; Laroy George; and >Raymond Welk. >Other papers mention Sevannia Wantz Stough and Lydia Wantz. The >pictures were taken at Jeffres Art Studio in York. >Mr Julian Gordon, according to the newspaper article has said he >will send the bible and contents to anybody who can tie their family >to Ammon and Harry Stough. >The newspaper quotes him "It's there. I'll send it to them. I'll pay >the postage," > >This will be quite a find if the right family can be located. > >Please pass this message on to other lists. We would all appreciate >finding it if it was our family bible. > >[my guess is you contact tje Virginia Review, or the York PA newspapers >if this is your family -elin] > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== AGS Mailing List ==== >The official publication of the Arkansas Genealogical Society is The Arkansas Family Historian, issued four times a year - March, June, Spetember, and December; edited by Margaret Harrision Hubbard. > > > > Kay (Newcomb) Harper ................ Searching: Newcomb--Fore--Farquar--Haney--Sanders--Wren--and Husband's line Harper ----e-mail-at--katty@texoma-ok.com---Personal Genealogy Page---http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/6514 ---