Megan wrote: > Another problem in many states, and particularly in OK, is > assumptions---Assuming that if you're looking for a town that shares its > name with a county, that county is where it is. Bad assumption. It > works sometimes (Oklahoma City *is* in Oklahoma County, after all), but > not in others (Caddo isn't in Caddo County; Kiowa isn't in Kiowa > County.) Ditto for townships. For example, Tohee Township is in Lincoln County -- but don't look for the Tohee settlement there because it was in neighboring Logan County. To complicate matters further,it is bordered on the north by Iowa Township, Lincoln County, and on the west by Iowa Township, Logan County. Yep, the same township name often appears in more than one county. So I completely agree with the warning about making assumptions -- just want to encourage everyone to explore whatever clues turn up. Sometimes they lead off in very interesting directions..... Sharon McAllister 73372.1745@compuserve.com

At 05:47 PM 10/2/98 -0400, Sharon McAllister wrote: >On Nalora's list: > >> Luther > >It's in Oklahoma County. > >If I'm the culprit, I certainly do know better and hereby offer effusive >public apologies!!!!! > >Now, to anyone else requesting information about Luther folk, PLEASE write >to me. I am naming no names. Just scolding you all because I was going to get them all in a little row and they would not fit in little rows because a big old honkin' map had to be put in the row. 8) Nalora

At 04:31 PM 10/2/98 -0500, Ms. Piglet wrote: What a wise little piglet you are. 8) Thank you from a weary lookup person... Nalora

At 05:16 PM 10/2/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >Chelsea, OK is in Rogers Co. *picking up her pen, going through a pile of papers, finding the original request for Chelsea, writing in the county.* Thank you. Nalora

I want someone to find John Smith in Muthill, Europe, sometime in 1890. What nation/country in Europe? compare to: I want someone to find John Smith in Indian Territory in 1890. What nation in IT? Here is another one: son: MAAAAA! Where are my socks? mom: what socks, dear? son: My mega-mecho-monster socks. mom: they are in your dresser dear. son: WHERE in my dresser? mom: in your second drawyer. son: which second drawyer? mom: The second one from the top. son: I don't seeeee them MAAAA!! mom: They are in the back under your superdude comix. son: MAAAAA...these are my blue mega-mecho-monster socks, I wanted the red ones. mom: oh...the red ones...they are in the laundry dear, why didn't you tell me that to start? Nalora

I thank you for the info on the rolls. I really am not concerned with whether I can prove Indian blood or not. I know that these rolls are just a few of many kept in IT, and since there are scanty records for the time period I am researching, I thought there might be a leadon one of them. If I am wrong, please correct me, but aren't there original applications available that might help one to go back farther in a family line? My mother's family was all born in IT or OK just after statehood. There is noone left alive that can help, so I am looking everywhere. all my aunts have about the same info I do. Any help, suggestions on where I might find specifics would be greatly appreciated. I am going to order burial info on the WHITE's buried at Winganon Cemetery to see where that leads. A sweet angel said there are a John J. and Ida F. WHITE listed as buried there. May be that I am on the right track. I hope so. Cindy

At 03:41 PM 10/2/98 -0500, Tammy (Dice) Jones wrote: >Oh, you are absoutely right! I just want people to know that when you buy >the CD that you are not getting all the information that is on the actual >census cards. Oh, good point. I guess I am just so index/bibliography minded, I just figured every one would know that it is just an index thing. silly me. Nalora

On Nalora's list: > Luther It's in Oklahoma County. If I'm the culprit, I certainly do know better and hereby offer effusive public apologies!!!!! Now, to anyone else requesting information about Luther folk, PLEASE write to me. I have a copy of the 1963 survey of the Luther cemetery, a collection of clippings assembled by three generations of packrats, and a database of almost 4000 people connected with the area in the past 100+ years. Even if I don't have the particular piece of information you're looking for I may know something about your family that you don't, or be able to put you in touch with "lost" members of the family. Sharon McAllister 73372.1745@compuserve.com

Nalore ,see I know the co. I would like to see were JON OR JOHN WOOTEN is burried He died at Madill Ok sometimes in the late 1800's he was in OK in 1880''s thanks and keep up the good work. BK bware28@webtv.net

I thought I could be helpful and use my TMG Geobase CD to lookup the counties of Nalora's list....GASP!!! I had sent in a request for her to try to find my ggfather William M. INGLIS and/or Missouri A. (Ralson) INGLIS' death dates and/or burial dates and places in WOODLEY! I am sorry, and yes, I do know better or should.... Woodley is or was in Craig County, Oklahoma. Broken Bow--McCurtain County Checotah--McIntosh County Keota--Haskell County Klondike Cemetery--Garvin or Grant Counties Foss--Washita County Mountain Park--Kiowa County I do hope this helps... Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Vashti <vashti@theshop.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:45 PM Subject: [OKROOTS-L] grrr and double grrr >Now listen carefully. One of the first things anyone should learn in >geneaology is to KNOW THE COUNTY you are searching in. > >Now, if you ask me to LOOK SOMETHING UP for you, then you really need to >have done the simple task of looking up the county FOR YOURSELF. > >Now I am a nice person, but this is getting out of hand with the LACK OF >COUNTY NAME on these requests folks. > >See if you are too lazy to even look up a simple thing like a COUNTY then >why should I go through the trouble? LOOK UP the things you have access to, >don't make me do it. > >I mean you COULD just scream it to the list here, like Wendy at least, and >get an answer if you dont have a map. > >I dont mind looking up obscure ghost towns and things like that, but just >normal old regular towns?? HURUMPH AND DOUBLE HURUMPH. > >So I will yell for you, (and at you, you bob tailed varmits!) because to >tell you the truth I am putting any lookup request that does not include a >COUNTY in the request to the bottom of my stack in the "I will get around to >that someday" And my somedays are few and far between let me tell you. > >I need counties for the following places: > >(and I AINT looking them up, cuz they are not *MY* research, if I don't get >them, then phooie looie on youie) > >Broken Bow >Chelsea >Checotah >Keota >Foss >Mountain Park >Woodley >Luther >Klondike Cemetary > > >you can see if 9 people ask me to look up counties and I have to stop what I >am doing to just look up the county it can slow me up and cause a heap of >frustration. > >Nalora >dander up. > > > > > >

Now listen carefully. One of the first things anyone should learn in geneaology is to KNOW THE COUNTY you are searching in. Now, if you ask me to LOOK SOMETHING UP for you, then you really need to have done the simple task of looking up the county FOR YOURSELF. Now I am a nice person, but this is getting out of hand with the LACK OF COUNTY NAME on these requests folks. See if you are too lazy to even look up a simple thing like a COUNTY then why should I go through the trouble? LOOK UP the things you have access to, don't make me do it. I mean you COULD just scream it to the list here, like Wendy at least, and get an answer if you dont have a map. I dont mind looking up obscure ghost towns and things like that, but just normal old regular towns?? HURUMPH AND DOUBLE HURUMPH. So I will yell for you, (and at you, you bob tailed varmits!) because to tell you the truth I am putting any lookup request that does not include a COUNTY in the request to the bottom of my stack in the "I will get around to that someday" And my somedays are few and far between let me tell you. I need counties for the following places: (and I AINT looking them up, cuz they are not *MY* research, if I don't get them, then phooie looie on youie) Broken Bow Chelsea Checotah Keota Foss Mountain Park Woodley Luther Klondike Cemetary you can see if 9 people ask me to look up counties and I have to stop what I am doing to just look up the county it can slow me up and cause a heap of frustration. Nalora dander up.

Hello, There is a cemetary in Bokchito, Ok. I went there 2 years ago. I'm not from the area but signs pointed the way. It has many graves, some very old. Kaye Easter Sharon McAllister wrote: > Nalora wrote: > > > I knew where Bokchito was..I have a map. I have a new one (that shows me > all > > the dinky details of every square inch of Oklahoma including windmills!) > > that tells me THERE IS a cemetary nearby. I have a library that tells me > > this cemetary is NOT listed. I have a brain that says: road trip. > > Yep, that's the only solution I know! > > At least this isn't one of those little family plots... the kind that > doesn't show up on even the topographical maps [unless you count a small > unlabeled spot of green vegetation surrounded by fields, recognizeable as a > cemetery only AFTER you've found it and checked it out]. Having taken my > share of road trips, I'd like to offer a word of advice to anyone > contemplating a trip into an unknown area. If at all possible, take along > a native guide IN ADDITION TO a map. > > F'rinstance -- > > I hadn't been to what the family called the Collins cemetery since the > early 50s, even though it was less than 5 miles from home. "Knew" where it > was, of course, but had no reason to go there. Then the genealogy bug bit > and I decided to check it out. Couldn't find it again. Finally talked my > mother into a field trip. > > We found: > > 1. I'd been searching along the wrong section line. > > 2. What had been shrubby in the early 50s was now covered with > full-grown blackjacks [just enough like the location I remembered that I > did recognize it once we got there]. > > 3. The tombstones were gone. > > To cap it all, it turned out that the abandoned cemetery wasn't on the > COLLINS place after all -- it was on the CATRON place. > > In short, if my mother hadn't come along as guide I could have gone right > past it without realizing it. > > I still suspect that some of the COLLINS family were buried there as that's > the best explanation I can come up with for the misinformation handed down > in the family. But there's no one left who knows. > > Sharon McAllister > 73372.1745@compuserve.com

In support: yep, there's a disturbing trend on the net to sit back and have somebody else do even the simplest work for ya....but it's usually a relatively small group of folks that do it. Okay, some basics here. http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html is your tax dollars at work. Put in the town and state, it'll spit out the county. If it says there's no such place, get a bit creative before asking around---think how you might be misspelling it. At least 50% of the time when I see someone post that GNIS says there's no such place, it's misspelled in fairly obvious ways....for example, say your source says Cuperton, OK, and there's no such place....try Cupertown (still doesn't work) or Cooperton (does work). If you have tried to find the county there, and can't, it helps to say so when you post...it shows you have already tried, and makes the tired old vets far more likely to want to help. Also, if you're doing serious research in a state, you really ought to invest in a decent paper atlas for the state. For Oklahoma, the best ones are The Roads of Oklahoma or Delorme's, which is now available for OK. If you want to order the latter online, check out http://mapstore.delorme.com I'd guess that http://www.amazon.com could get both that and the Roads volume, or any other large online bookstore, like Barnes and Noble or Border Books. You should probably also have a decent road atlas for the whole country....just your basic large Rand McNally works fine. Another problem in many states, and particularly in OK, is assumptions---Assuming that if you're looking for a town that shares its name with a county, that county is where it is. Bad assumption. It works sometimes (Oklahoma City *is* in Oklahoma County, after all), but not in others (Caddo isn't in Caddo County; Kiowa isn't in Kiowa County.) This is just a little *basic* research that folks really ought to be able to do for themselves, online or offline...and sometimes the lack of basic research is mind boggling....when I was SC of Missouri at USGenWeb, I actually had someone tell me that they couldn't look up the county the town was in, because the town wasn't big enough to show up on their map---and what they were looking for was Kansas City! Makes you wonder if the map they were looking on even included Missouri..... megan Vashti wrote: > > Now listen carefully. One of the first things anyone should learn in > geneaology is to KNOW THE COUNTY you are searching in. -- pigolit@ix.netcom.com * cochonnet@aol.com genealogy--http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~piglet quilting--http://pw1.netcom.com/~pigolit/index.htm ICQ: 18429839

Oh, you are absoutely right! I just want people to know that when you buy the CD that you are not getting all the information that is on the actual census cards. Tammy ---------- From: Vashti <vashti@theshop.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKROOTS-L] Native American Collection CD Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 3:10 PM At 08:48 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Tammy (Dice) Jones wrote: >A great CD, but does not show all the information that may be on the census >card, some census cards show parents who maybe dead at the time of the >census. It is more like an index, but does show the age, blood, roll # and >census card #. Nice place to start, however. I always look at/for an index first. If you go to the Archives you have to start somewhere. They will usually point you to the rolls. Nalora

Given the context, I can tell you what to look for.... "Passing your board tests" is something you have to do to be any one of several kinds of professional....including a doctor. The tests are given by the medical board of the local (state) governing agency; the implication here is that the Nation had a medical board governing its territory, and was the administering body for his medical examinations for his license. (That should tell Vashti where to look for it, anyhow!<VBG>) megan Peggy Atwood wrote: > > I have noticed since I subscribed to this that there are alot of people who > know about Indian History. > I work for the Chickasaw Nation, but no one can answer the following > question for me...I thought maybe someone here could. > > My ggrandfather, Wesley Nicholas Dean, M.D., practiced medicine in the > Chickasaw Nation from 1892 to 1908. In his obituary from the Texas State > Medical Journal it states that he passed the Chickasaw Indian Board in > 1893. What was the Chickasaw Indian Board? > > I enjoy this page very much. Thanks to Nalora and all of the others that > seem to care that we find our family and put so much time into helping. > > Also, I live in Pontotoc County and would happy to help here if someone > needs it. > Peggy Dean-Atwood -- pigolit@ix.netcom.com * cochonnet@aol.com genealogy--http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~piglet quilting--http://pw1.netcom.com/~pigolit/index.htm ICQ: 18429839

At 11:12 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Peggy Atwood wrote: >I have noticed since I subscribed to this that there are alot of people who >know about Indian History. >I work for the Chickasaw Nation, but no one can answer the following >question for me...I thought maybe someone here could. > >My ggrandfather, Wesley Nicholas Dean, M.D., practiced medicine in the >Chickasaw Nation from 1892 to 1908. In his obituary from the Texas State >Medical Journal it states that he passed the Chickasaw Indian Board in >1893. What was the Chickasaw Indian Board? Ohhhhhhh I hope no one answers this so I can look it up!! (sorry...lost my head there for a second) >I enjoy this page very much. Thanks to Nalora and all of the others that >seem to care that we find our family and put so much time into helping. In the end, when the tornado flattens your house, uproots your crops and trees and scours the road to town out of existence, what have you got? Noses to count, and a big old THANK GOD the family is safe. >Also, I live in Pontotoc County and would happy to help here if someone >needs it. You know Sharon is kinda partial to Ponotoc county. Nalora

Hi Everyone: We were all new to genealogy at one time and everyday we still learn (and forget things). A very good source for census lists is your local LDS (family history library.) If they dont have the mircofilm in stock they can get them for you within a very short period of time (for me usually a week, although I am in Calif therefore closer to Utah than Some). For those who are new to research the library usually has a list of all the census up until 1920. You can look the number you need up on microfische or on their computer and then simply order it. The cost in calif is 3.50 and the library holds it for you for 2 mos. Not only do they have the census records but they also have local history for each state. My daughter lives in D.C. and I go back often and do go to the library of congess regularly (and love it) but usually come back lhome to my local FHC for census lookups. Mainly as I can take my time and read them. I belong to several genealogical societys in OK, and Ar as well as an active member in my local one and we have a very nice library and meet every week but we all also into each other at our FHC. Give it a try. If you are like me and not close enough to go to Okla History Society library you will love it very much. Doris auntydo@aol.com P.S> one other very helpful source at the FHC is the ancestry file, Check it out you very well may find someone has researched your complete line.

At 08:48 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Tammy (Dice) Jones wrote: >A great CD, but does not show all the information that may be on the census >card, some census cards show parents who maybe dead at the time of the >census. It is more like an index, but does show the age, blood, roll # and >census card #. Nice place to start, however. I always look at/for an index first. If you go to the Archives you have to start somewhere. They will usually point you to the rolls. Nalora

Thank you for all the time you give to helping people like me who know nothing about how or where to research their family. Sorry about forgetting the County name. I just assumed you knew. You have really taught me some things I didn't know with your extensive knowledge of genealogy. I really do appreciate all your time. Maybe I can find some concrete info for my mom for Christmas with your help. You are an angel. Cindy

Can anyone tell me if there is a listing for a Fannie Wardlow - b. abt. 1855 in Miss., d. 1910 ARK. My Dad told me several times that "the Indian Agent" had tried to get him to sign up for his "rights" - but like other have stated, he would not. This would have probably been between 1920 - 1930 when they lived in Haskell, OK. Thanks, Netta