I'm still a little miffed he never showed up for a dedication of Berwyn changing it's name to Gene Autry. Maybe couldn't make it on November 4, 1941, but NEVER???? How many other towns were named after a person that was never there? I'd change it back to one of the original names (Lou, Dresden, or Berwyn). In a message dated 10/2/98 7:53:15 PM Central Daylight Time, cantrim@rmi.net writes: <<Hi all, In case you have not heared the king of the cowboys died to day, Gene is gone. >>

In a message dated 10/3/98 11:15:39 AM Central Daylight Time, wjones@texhoma.net writes: << The Gene Autry roundup club puts on a very good rodeo there every year, if you have kids they will love this one. Instaed of a calf scramble where the children try to get the ribbon of the calf's tail for a prize, they have a critter scramble, rabbits, chickens, ducks the children get to keep what every they can catch. Last year my niece caught a chicken, she loves that chicken. One interesting fact about Gene Autry, he never lived there. Tammy >> No, but he did film a lot of his movies on his movie set there, Bill

I attended school at prairie View School in the early 40's. I have a few class pictures I would like help identifying. Thank You, Pete

To: Vashti I tried to send you a message and it came back did you have problems with your system last night Oct 2? I have tried to resend it. Will let you know if it comes back a second time. Thanks for your help in the request I have sent your way. Just to let everyone know on the "OK Digest" by getting on this mail list I have found a new branch on my PINION family tree. We are starting to correspond. What a lucky find, thank you to whom ever thought of this idea to send out questions and queries. Peggy Pinion Rook, The Woodlands,TX ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

In a message dated 10/3/98 7:54:49 AM Central Daylight Time, flip@chickasaw.com writes: << This came up not long ago, Keota is now spelled Coweta. Some of the old buildings still have Koeta but the post office among others, says Coweta. And it is in Haskell County. >> What about the Coweta in Wagoner County. It is only about 10 miles from where I live in Tulsa County. Connie

Thanks to your wonderful curiosity, Nalora. My library did not have the book, Law West of Ft. Smith, so I have asked for an interlibrary loan. If I can't get it that way< I will try to purchase it. I have limited funds as does everyone, so I hope the library can get it for me. Thanks again. Cindy

Well Vashti/Nalora I wasn't saying you were wrong, heaven forbid, I was only stating my opinion as I had recently visited there, now maybe we can stop wasting peoples time with this, ok, Bill Cook In a message dated 10/3/98 8:20:35 AM Central Daylight Time, vashti@theshop.net writes: << Ghost Towns of Oklahoma includes cities that once were thriving and growing and now are slowly dying out, as the oldsters of the town die, and the young folks move away. Berwyn (Gen Autry) in the last paragraph it says: "During World War II Gene Autry was given a brief period of growth. Large Aviation facilities were located just north of the village, and many people working there lived in the community. One rock building completed in 1904 still stands, it houses a small grocery store. The store, a church, and the post office plus a few homes are all that remain of a place that in 1915 had ten stores, a newspaper, two lumbermills, a hotel, an oil mill, two cotton gins, an elevator, and its own electric light plant. There were also two lawyers, two doctors, and an undertaker. The population has dropped from over 600 to 120 in 1970 and an estimated 90 in 1975. The consolidated grade school which continues to function is known as the Berwyn School." Not all Ghost Towns are filled JUST with Ghosts. Some of us kinda like to live with ghosts. (Heck, I live in a city but live across the street from a cemetary) Personally, I think Meeker and Mulhall OK are ghost towns, but they still exist, just slowly but surely....dying out. Nalora >>

In a message dated 10/3/98 8:03:00 AM Central Daylight Time, vashti@theshop.net writes: << Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of Ghost town. It is listed in the Ghost Towns of Oklahoma book. Some Ghost towns still have people in them, and are not totally dead. >> Well it looked like a farming / ranching community to me and not real heavily populated, but Ghost town? Hey everybody go see for yourself, and visit Gene's Museum there anyway, you'll enjoy it, I wouldn't want to argue with Vashti, :o) Bill

In a message dated 10/3/98 7:47:38 AM Central Daylight Time, WCook14024@aol.com writes: << Gene Autry Okla is not a ghost town or wasn't when I visited it last year >> I didn't think it was a ghost town either. A friend of mine said her Dad still lived there. Connie

Gene Autry Okla is not a ghost town or wasn't when I visited it last year, of course all I did was go to the Gene Autry museum and there were people moving around town. It was very interesting to my family. Lots of old silver screen cowboy posters ane western movie history, BIll Cook

Interesting site: http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/korvnsta.html State-level Lists of Casualties from the Korean Conflict (1951-1957) State-level Lists of Casualties from the Vietnam Conflict (1957-) be sure to read 'casualties whose state "home of record," as identified by the serviceman' explanation -- Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator OKGenWeb ICQ# 14382735 http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels

At 10:07 PM 10/2/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >I thank you for the info on the rolls. I really am not concerned with whether >I can prove Indian blood or not. I know that these rolls are just a few of >many kept in IT, and since there are scanty records for the time period I am >researching, I thought there might be a leadon one of them. If I am wrong, >please correct me, but aren't there original applications available that might >help one to go back farther in a family line? My mother's family was all born >in IT or OK just after statehood. There is noone left alive that can help, so >I am looking everywhere. all my aunts have about the same info I do. Any >help, suggestions on where I might find specifics would be greatly >appreciated. I am going to order burial info on the WHITE's buried at >Winganon Cemetery to see where that leads. A sweet angel said there are a >John J. and Ida F. WHITE listed as buried there. May be that I am on the >right track. I hope so. Yes, But you have to check EVERY ROLL. Now I now have the 5 civilized tribes on CD ROM, but the others...if you are a minor tribe you have to get that elsewhere. Now once you find your name on a roll, you can look at the census card, then the application....It can lead you somewhere, it can lead to nowwhere. I did check your Robert Turner on my new CD as soon as I got it, and there is one listed, however I have not figured out how to get it to come back up again...will have to search for the executable file, it did not make an icon Nalora

At 06:52 PM 10/2/98 -0000, cantrim wrote: >Hi all, >In case you have not heared the king of the cowboys died to day, Gene is >gone. Ya know...I was just looking at the map the other day and saw that the town of Gene Autry is still listed down there, but its a ghost town. Guess it is in more ways than one, now. Nalora

Looking for descendants of Charles David Fleming b 1888 MI d aft 1950 Okla. City OK m Lura ? in Okla. City OK Maxine Fleming m Carl Bird 2 sons m 2nd ? Cody Fleming (female) also looking for info on Samuel Gustin Fleming b 1890 Grayling, Crawford Co. MI disapeared on trip (abt 1911) from Okla. City to Where? Jean Okla. City

Hi All, When I first started on my families that were in Izard ,1876 was STONE Co Ar. Both Counties had the same named Townships and I had a heck of a time keeping them seperated in my mind for a long tome,I was living out of State at that time and that made it harder. So got me some county mapes and traced the tws. on them. Worked out pretty well. This was ca 25 years ago so you can just think how little help you could get then. Good Luck to all searchers!!! Dortha

Sorry about this but I am trying to find Verla Pinkerton, if you are on this list please email me. -- Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Hosting Counties Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser

Living a distance from my local library and working numerous hours I thought that I had finally found a way to help out with look ups in the cemetary and funeral home books. The owners of the company I work for also owns a funeral home and I had to go over there several times a week and it was very convenient to look things up. Unfortunately after I announced this on this list I went to work on Thursday and found out that they had sold our facility. I may still be able to call the secretary over there for an occassional look up if someone is really stumped but otherwise I'm not sure if I will be able to very much. (Although as buy outs go I may be without a job and have a lot of time to look things up.) I would think also that most funeral homes would have copies of these books if you called and asked your local ones. My apologies. I have appreciated everyones help on this board. It is a very fun list. Thanks, Elaine

The Dawes Commission began enrollment for the 5 civilized tribes in 1896 and it ended March 31, 1906. There were a handful of names added in 1914, I don't remember why. There were three main rolls: The original roll,The newborn and the minor rolls. After the 3/31/06 roll was closed no one could be added. In order to prove Indian blood for these tribes, it is necessary for you to prove linage back to an original allottee on one of these rolls. The emphasis is on proof. You must use birth certificates, death certificates and court records such as probate records. You may find a name on a roll which you are sure is your ancestor, it is up to you to prove it. Oklahoma records are sometimes lacking. All over the state there were people born and died without a record anywhere. In order for a person to have been enrolled in one of these tribes, it would have been necessary for them to live in their respective tribal nation during the time of enrollment. In other words a Cherokee couldn't have lived in Ardmore which is in the Chickasaw Nation and be enrolled. They couldn't be enrolled in more than one tribe. They would have to prove other tribal linage otherwise. The 5 civilized tribes now issue Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood for people who are able to prove direct descendency to an original allottee. Before the tribes contracted with the Bureau of Indian Affairs for most of the programs, it was the responsibility of the BIA to issue CDIB's There was a contingent of Choctaw's who stopped and settled in Louisiana. As far as I know they have never been recognized by the federal govt. Don't count on this with out checking further. Maybe this will answer some of the questions about 5 tribes enrollment. Maybe it will confuse some further, If so I'm sorry. Each tribe has records and can help prove Indian blood, however I understand that isn't always the case now. Several libraries now have copies of the tribal roll books and even other records. I know the ones in Poteau, Idabel have good genealogy sections. McCalister has a genealogy library of its own. They are all eager to help if you will ask. Be sure to add an SASE stamped envelope for mail requests. Be good and go chase ole bones bt

At 07:49 PM 10/2/98 EDT, Bravewmn@aol.com wrote: >Thank you for all the time you give to helping people like me who know nothing >about how or where to research their family. Sorry about forgetting the >County name. I just assumed you knew. You have really taught me some things >I didn't know with your extensive knowledge of genealogy. I really do >appreciate all your time. Maybe I can find some concrete info for my mom for >Christmas with your help. You are an angel. Well, get in the habit of putting the county name on every bit of correspondence now, email or no, save you some stamps, when you start sending off to courthouses in the wrong county. I don't memorize any counties but my own, really. I did not even know what county GUTHRIE was in, but could drive to the town in a heartbeat. Sometimes I will know a county right off by the name of the city, because a tornado has wiped that town off the map a few times, and the tornado warnings are done by county....On bad days I still have to look up my own when I get to a little dinky town my folks stopped off at and had a one kid in and mosied on down the pike.... And we shall see what we shall find along the little genealogical rabbit trails...8) Nalora

At 02:44 PM 10/2/98 -0700, Sharon W. Gabel wrote: >I thought I could be helpful and use my TMG Geobase CD to lookup the >counties of Nalora's list....GASP!!! I had sent in a request for her to try >to find my ggfather William M. INGLIS and/or Missouri A. (Ralson) INGLIS' >death dates and/or burial dates and places in WOODLEY! > >I am sorry, and yes, I do know better or should.... Woodley is or was in >Craig County, Oklahoma. I will have to take alll your candy away for that, you know. come on...hand it over. Nalora