In a message dated 10/3/98 3:08:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ClydePars@aol.com writes: << The definition of ghost town has been stretched somewhat. Mostly now-a- days it refers to a town that no longer has a post office. I t can still be a community with church(es) and store(s). >> There ya go, thanks Clyde. I guess I lived in Nevada too long where a ghost town is a ghost town :o) Bill Cook

Here is another wonderful site you can see the wall and what it says about your loved ones http://thewall-usa.com/ Thanks Evelyn Long Marti Graham wrote: > > Interesting site: > > http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/korvnsta.html > State-level Lists of Casualties from the Korean Conflict (1951-1957) > State-level Lists of Casualties from the Vietnam Conflict (1957-) > > be sure to read 'casualties whose state "home of record," as identified by the > serviceman' explanation > > > -- > Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator > OKGenWeb ICQ# 14382735 > http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels

In a message dated 10/3/98 12:07:55 PM Central Daylight Time, jlittle@telepath.com writes: << Since we have several folks on this morning, does anyone have anything to add about early day Oklahoma City or Capitol Hill? Jean supplied me with some interesting things a while back, but wondered if anyone else might have something to add. Our LITTLEs, WOLFs, HISELs and NEEDHAMs all settled in the Capitol Hill area in the early 1900's. I'm interested in anything. It seems to add to the 'color' of our family's history. Appreciate it! You guys are just full of informaton. Love reading all your info exchanges. >> Well if I remember my Okla. History correctly, GUTHRIE OKLA. was the original capital. Bill Cook

The Gene Autry roundup club puts on a very good rodeo there every year, if you have kids they will love this one. Instaed of a calf scramble where the children try to get the ribbon of the calf's tail for a prize, they have a critter scramble, rabbits, chickens, ducks the children get to keep what every they can catch. Last year my niece caught a chicken, she loves that chicken. One interesting fact about Gene Autry, he never lived there. Tammy

The definition of ghost town has been stretched somewhat. Mostly now-a-days it refers to a town that no longer has a post office. I t can still be a community with church(es) and store(s).

I've been a member of this list for 2 weeks. I look forward to reading the posts every day because they remind me of home and, I usually learn something I didn't know. I am a third generation Oklahoman living in Texas (sorry Mom). But my heart resides a few hours north. You can bet that this next Saturday, I will be at the Cotton Bowl singing Boomer Sooner. Dana

There is also a wall listing Vietnam Conflict deaths at Historical society. My brother is on both. Glen Ray Hicks Nov. 2, 1947 Aug. 1, 1968. Jean Okla. City -----Original Message----- From: Kyle & Evelyn Long <belle@mwec.com> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [OKROOTS-L] Lists of Casualties from the Korean Conflict / Vietnam Conflict >Here is another wonderful site you can see the wall and what it says >about your loved ones >http://thewall-usa.com/ > >Thanks Evelyn Long >Marti Graham wrote: >> >> Interesting site: >> >> http://www.nara.gov/nara/electronic/korvnsta.html >> State-level Lists of Casualties from the Korean Conflict (1951-1957) >> State-level Lists of Casualties from the Vietnam Conflict (1957-) >> >> be sure to read 'casualties whose state "home of record," as identified by the >> serviceman' explanation >> >> >> -- >> Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator >> OKGenWeb ICQ# 14382735 >> http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb >> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels > >

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(formerly Berwyn, OK) Ghost Towns of Oklahoma includes cities that once were thriving and growing and now are slowly dying out, as the oldsters of the town die, and the young folks move away. Berwyn (Gen Autry) in the last paragraph it says: "During World War II Gene Autry was given a brief period of growth. Large Aviation facilities were located just north of the village, and many people working there lived in the community. One rock building completed in 1904 still stands, it houses a small grocery store. The store, a church, and the post office plus a few homes are all that remain of a place that in 1915 had ten stores, a newspaper, two lumbermills, a hotel, an oil mill, two cotton gins, an elevator, and its own electric light plant. There were also two lawyers, two doctors, and an undertaker. The population has dropped from over 600 to 120 in 1970 and an estimated 90 in 1975. The consolidated grade school which continues to function is known as the Berwyn School." Not all Ghost Towns are filled JUST with Ghosts. Some of us kinda like to live with ghosts. (Heck, I live in a city but live across the street from a cemetary) Personally, I think Meeker and Mulhall OK are ghost towns, but they still exist, just slowly but surely....dying out. Nalora

I have a BIRD female. I don't know much about her...but...would love to connect with this BIRD family... Here is what I know... This is taken from a little family history that was sent to me by a cousin and I will type it just as HE wrote it.... "In the year of 1815, in the state of tennessee, a fullblood Choctaw baby was born. I can't find the names of her mother and tahter, but they named their baby Christina, which was usually written in the sort form "Tennie." She was 21 years old when her folks were (by the order of the federal govenment) started on the "Trail of Tears" move to the Indian Territory. The Indian Removal Act of May 28, 1830, moved the Choctaws to Indian Teritory in 1836. Tennie's family either bought their way out of the march--they could well afford to--or just slipped away. That was the two ways they could have gotten out of coming to I.T. Both were common occurrences during the march. The soldiers were sympathetic to their plight, for one thing, and the other reason for not guarding them clsely was that each Indian who was let slip away was just one more Indian that the soldiers didn't have to worry with. Tennie's folks settled around Casseville, Mo. There was a large group of her brothers and sisters; I can fine none of their names, except one sister's name was Sarah. Tennie married a man named BIRD. I have found the name spelled "Byrd" but the oldest documents render it "Bird." She was our great-grandma. In 1844, when Tennie was 29, on the 18th of November, a baby girl ws born to her. The baby was named JULIA ANN BIRD. She had brohters and sisters, some of them settled in Arkansas and for a time some of granny's folks lived at Panama, Oklahoma. The BIRDS moved to Crawford County, Arkansas before the war, near Van Buren. It was at the home of her mother and step-father that JULIA married her beau she had met in Missouri.......JAMES AKINS........." A little more continues on.... "The newly-weds made their home with James's father, Jimmy Akins, north of Greenwood.........." Here are some of the children recorded that were born to JULIA ANN BIRD and Jimmy Akins: John Nicklis, March 1, 1867, Greenwood, Sebastain County, Ark Mary Ann , August 8, 1871, Greenwood, Sebastian County, Ark George Washington, July 15, 1874, Texas James William (Will) April 21, 1876, Greenwood Vandia Lee (Frost) May 1, 1879, Greenwood Victory (Vic), July 15, 1881, Greenwood Henry, March 17, 1884, Greenwood Minnie B., June 6, 1886, Greenwood Christinia (Tennie) March 13, 1888, Greenwood Havey Bishop, June 25, 1891, Greenwood They moved to the Indian Territory....and finally got her Civl War Widow's pension granted, (Oct 7, 1898).... certificate number 469508 and the money was sent to her on November 16, 1898. This is when she lived at Skullyville, OK.... She took the check to Keota, OK It was said that she was afraid to sign the Choctaw Indian rolls because she was told that she would lose her Civil War Pension check!!!!! When she had her first stroke (1914), she did not fully recover....The doctors that were used were: Dr. Newman, Dr. Lett, Dr. Van Matri, and Dr. Bush. The lawyer used by JULIA ANN BIRD Atkins was Clark from Stigler, OK...... She died May 10, 1923.....She was 78 years old...and....six months...in OK... Hope this helps to connect to this family!!!! Thanks!!! kaite....

At 08:45 AM 10/3/98 EDT, WCook14024@aol.com wrote: >Gene Autry Okla is not a ghost town or wasn't when I visited it last year, of >course all I did was go to the Gene Autry museum and there were people moving >around town. It was very interesting to my family. Lots of old silver screen >cowboy posters ane western movie history, BIll Cook Well, I suppose it depends on your definition of Ghost town. It is listed in the Ghost Towns of Oklahoma book. Some Ghost towns still have people in them, and are not totally dead. Nalora

Just a thank you to all on this list. I belong to several and I am very impressed how helpful I find the members on OK ROOTS. A special thanks to Nalora and to others that have assisted me. My hope is that I can give back too. All of you make me proud that I have OK ROOTS. Sue Barker-Bumerts Latviabum@msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Peggy Atwood <atwood@chickasaw.com> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 9:12 AM Subject: [OKROOTS-L] Chickasaw Board >I have noticed since I subscribed to this that there are alot of people who >know about Indian History. >I work for the Chickasaw Nation, but no one can answer the following >question for me...I thought maybe someone here could. > >My ggrandfather, Wesley Nicholas Dean, M.D., practiced medicine in the >Chickasaw Nation from 1892 to 1908. In his obituary from the Texas State >Medical Journal it states that he passed the Chickasaw Indian Board in >1893. What was the Chickasaw Indian Board? > >I enjoy this page very much. Thanks to Nalora and all of the others that >seem to care that we find our family and put so much time into helping. > >Also, I live in Pontotoc County and would happy to help here if someone >needs it. >Peggy Dean-Atwood > >______________________________

I always hate it when someone disagrees with someone else and then it starts an arguement. I live in Broken Arrow , Oklahoma. I actually live between Broken Arrow and Coweta. As you see , someone posted below that Coweta was in Haskell Co. This is wrong. Coweta is in Wagoner Co. Before Oklahoma divided all of the Counties up. Coweta was actually in Tulsa District and was viving with Tulsa to become the county seat. Well Tulsa won, and then Coweta then became part of Wagoner county and Wagoner became the county seat. Coweta is actually larger than Wagoner it even has its own WalMart Store. It has quite a large school, because so many people live there and work in Tulsa. I have the Telephone directory for Coweta and Wagoner if someone needs me to look up a name or number. Phyllis OKROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com wrote: I am sorry, and yes, I do know better or should.... Woodley is or was in Craig County, Oklahoma. Broken Bow--McCurtain County Checotah--McIntosh County Keota--Haskell County Klondike Cemetery--Garvin or Grant Counties Foss--Washita County Mountain Park--Kiowa County This came up not long ago, Keota is now spelled Coweta. Some of the old buildings still have Koeta but the post office among others, says Coweta. And it is in Haskell County. Vickie Neill Taylor flip@chickasaw.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

Hi Everyone, I have been hanging in the shadows scrolling through the digests just watching to see if the surname I have been looking for turns up. After two years of searching, I have hit a brick wall and am pretty discouraged in finding my ancestor. I have looked at all the normal places we go to and don't know what to do next. My father's maternal grandmother was Francis (Frances) TILLEY (TILLY) and her mother Sally TILLEY. She married William SMITH in Surry Co., NC in 1893. Marriage Certificate says Sally was from VA. Francis born in NC between 1854 and 1859 but died in VA in 1931. In 1873, a Bastardy Bond was filed in Allegheny Co., NC (county west of Surry) by William Smith on behalf of Francis for a son Warrick Winfield Tilley. It is in 1880 that Francis appears on the Surry Co. census living near William Smith and his wife, Sarah. Evidently there was one child prior to Warrick by William with Francis by the name of Mary Smith. Children continued to be born between the two before their marriage which occurred AFTER Sarah died. There were 13 children in all. An individual by the name of Clyde W. TILLEY appears in a Delayed Birth Certificate for one of Warrick's children as the owner of a Bible that is used as one verification to obtain that Birth Certificate. I have one report that there was a Clyde W. TILLEY that was in Oklahoma for a time and he had a brother named Obie TILLEY. Clyde impregnated a girl whose parents would not allow her to marry Clyde and her family moved her to Indiana. Oklahoma records are to far away for me to research this as I live in extreme Eastern, NC near the ocean. Family history says that Francis was sold or given to William when she was 12 years old. She was said to be Cherokee. My further research reveals she might have been Melungeon but that Roots List doesn't reveal a TILLEY surname. Several days ago, my sister was in the Rockingham Co., NC library and came across information that a Francis was sold by a Robert PAYNE in 1870 in Stokes Co. The library was closing and she was not able to record where she saw that information. She has since returned to the library and cannot remember or find where she saw that information. Research in VA and NC finds no Sally TILLEY anywhere and research in VA and NC finds no Death Certificate for Francis in 1931. Cherokee, Melungeon, White or Black makes no difference to me. She was my great grandmother who suffered many hardships in life. There are many Indian features in my family and Asian features as well (Melungeon). There are a few black features. I am Scotch-Irish looking, fair skin, blue eyes, red hair, with an Indian nose. My son, however, is dark skinned, brown eyes, Asian looking. My daughter (and myself) have Indian textured hair with definite "kinkiness" all through. It seems that my father's family ran "moonshine" all through the area from Surry Co. north into western VA which is Melungeon trademark! If anyone has resources I do not have, I would appreciate any lookups! God Bless everyone in their search for their roots! Denise Chandler-Wood

Hello All Oklahoma Roots Searchers, I'm new to the list. I joined about a week ago, I wanted to say ya'll are a wealth of information for me. Beings I have never lived or been to Oklahoma I'm learning all sorts of good things and the information is wonderful. What a great bunch of people you all are. I do have one question maybe some one can answer. I was wondering if anyone has a good link to a history site for Oklahoma esp TULSA County. I would like to learn the history of Oklahoma and Tulsa County before I really start searching out my Oklahoma Roots. Thank you in advance Janet Searching Surnames LUCAS, MCIVER, HAWKS, GRAY, PERLICK, MCCARRICK, LONGSETH and many many more.

Hello I live in the Haskell Co and Pittsburg Co area, I am one of the Pittsburg Co Cordnaters I can do lookup for almost anything in my area I have a few cemetry listings if anyone wants anything in my area let me know Karen

The only thing that made Gene Autry a "ghost town" was a significant drop in population. It dropped from over 600 to 120 in 1970 and an estimated 90 in 1975. This made it a "ghost town" but by all means not gone. Information taken from "Ghost Towns of Oklahoma". If anyone needs a lookup in this book, I'll be glad to. It gives history on about 130 towns that are dead or dying and some of the individuals who built them. This is an excellent book. I've read it cover to cover. Joan

GENE AUTRY. OKLAHOMA is very much alive. Acording to the news it has a population of 110. R. WATERS

In a message dated 10/3/98 11:44:20 AM Central Daylight Time, Okiecad@aol.com writes: << I'm still a little miffed he never showed up for a dedication of Berwyn changing it's name to Gene Autry. Maybe couldn't make it on November 4, 1941, but NEVER???? How many other towns were named after a person that was never there? I'd change it back to one of the original names (Lou, Dresden, or Berwyn). >> Well did they change the name to get him to come to town or to honor him for the films he made there and the time he spent there?, Not to mention the help to the economy of the day, everything changes with time, BUT I was told that story too when I visited there, Bill

I am sorry, and yes, I do know better or should.... Woodley is or was in Craig County, Oklahoma. Broken Bow--McCurtain County Checotah--McIntosh County Keota--Haskell County Klondike Cemetery--Garvin or Grant Counties Foss--Washita County Mountain Park--Kiowa County This came up not long ago, Keota is now spelled Coweta. Some of the old buildings still have Koeta but the post office among others, says Coweta. And it is in Haskell County. Vickie Neill Taylor flip@chickasaw.com