Hi to you all! I have going over the few little piles that I have on this family of mine that lived out a seemingly Peyton Place life in the little town of Colbert, OK. I would like to know if it is usual that the Census records record different information for the same person. I have this Frank R. Standerfer that in the 1900 Indian Territory Census is listed as being born Feb 1858 in Mississippi along with his mother Sarah E. as being born Jan 1831 in Mississippi. Then in the 1910 OK Census Frank R. is born in Ill in 1858 and he is with his wife Ala (Edith Emola Kelley) born in Ill (this is true) and they have a daughter born in TX Alta (my grandmother) and a son Fanky(Frank) born in OK. Is it normal to find this kind of confusion? I know that Edith Emola and Frank met in Indiana or Ill. These two were married in Grayson Co. Texas in 1894. This is because they could not be married in Oklahoma being non-Indian? Pardon my ignorance, but how did they live on Indian land not being Indian. My other great-grandfather married a part Indian woman and they had lots of land. Did whites work the land like share-croppers? My last question of the day is were there not laws about incestuous marriages? I have Edith Emola's brother, Frank Kelley, marrying her daughter, Mary Roberts, from her marriage to Mr. Roberts! One more little question, did people all move around in those days like this family did? These were coming and going from all corners of the USA! Thank you, Candy

Anyone needing info on people who lived in Capitol Hill please resubmit info. I am going to try to contact the newspaper the Capitol Hill beacon to see if we can find out any info from them. I have been planning to contact the owner MR. Sellers to see if our Sellers lines are the same. DON'T GET YOUR HOPES UP MAY COME TO NOTHING. Jean Okla. City-

Nalora, and everyone else! I am searching for a Vernon MORRELL (I am unsure of the spelling at this time). He owned a general store, MORRELLs DEPARTMENT STORE, which apparently included groceries and shoes, on the main street of Macomb, Oklahoma (Pottawatomie County) during the aproximate years of 1927 - 1935. Morrell's Department Store was on of two stores in Macomb during that time frame. His brother (unknown) is reported to have been in business with him there. Vernon had dark hair, was handsome and had a sexy voice according to my interviewee. After the closing of the department store it is said he had a little cafe in that same area for an undetermined period of time. It is said he moved from the area around 1940. Vernon is known to have had two nephews who lived in a portion of a warehouse that was fixed up as living quarters in MAUD, an oil community/town, around 1935. Their names, or nick names were Dutch and Shanks. Dutch had a dark complexion and Shanks a medium complexion.

For the week of Oct 5, 1998: A brief note on Census Lookups. OT = Oklahoma Territory IT = Indian Territory. The 1900 Census is broken into TWO parts, IT and OT. (remember, OKlahoma was not a state til 1907) If you have not specified (you have not looked to see if your people were in IT or OT in 1900 by placing your county into a twin territories map, then I will have to get out two rolls of microfilm and check both rolls, the OT and the IT for 1900.) Sometimes I do recognize where the county is, IT or OT, but most of the time I have to check, it saves me time, if you do this part of your research. MONDAY census lookups WRIGHT 1900, 1910, 1920 (OT and OK) Tom and Byrd. WILEY 1900 1910 (IT and OK) Wm S SKEEN 1896 Choctaw Nation Census HUGGINS 1896 Choctaw Nation Census ROGERS 1900, 1920 (OT And IT And OK) Bert Milam BARKER 1910 (OK) Jackson Thomas ELLIS 1900 1910 (IT, OT, and OK) TIMMONS 1900, 1910, 1920 (IT, OT, and OK VAUGHN Civil War Pensions 1890 After Monday night class, do some Roll lookups. TUESDAY newspaper lookups (I am just going to list the names, I will check your indivdual news request when I get to your name) SIMMONS HUSER MORRISON BOWLES MCALLISTER TEAL TORIX INGLIS TIMMONS MUNDELL BLANKENSHIP BYERS WEDNESDAY Archives STRAWN Allotment HURD Allotment TURNER Rolls/docs THURSDAY Books BOWLES MCALLISTER TORIX BLANKENSHIP INGLIS FRIDAY Research day My family and Special Quests. That is a brief list of my lookups this coming week, if you do not see your name listed, you got lost in a shuffle. Please write me Email . Nalora

Any one over in Woodward, Ok (Woodward County) have better access to some Woodward Cemetary listings information? OHS is sadly lacking in Woodward area. If you do, could you look up a Walter HURD buried in Woodward OK, sometime after 1948. Nalora

Folks this URL worked fine on the individual copy I sent to the young lady (sorry can't remember her name as I sent a bcc copy to myself on both OK and hers, same URL but I can't get it to work on OKROOTS. The only thing I can figure is add http://www.the-seeker.com\ and see if it works that way. It is a mystery to me why it would not work for the OKROOTS and would work written the same way on the other one. This is really a URL that should be bookmarked it has helped so many people. Sorry for inconvenience. Lois L. Coffelt llc@exit33.com ICQ 1285659595 Lois L Coffelt wrote: > The Seeker http://www.the-seeker, Linda Hammer has helped many people > find lost loved ones, friends, family with her site. It is well worth a > BOOKMARK for sure. > > Please try it. > > Lois L. Coffelt > llc@exit33.com > ICQ 18565959 > > Searching for Cattell, Coffelt, Feldmann, Feldman, Gerken, Gerkin & > Other variations of Gerken, Holtzen, Warnke

Please continue. This may be the "Why" of the move to OK for my Texas BARKER family. TX roots go back to 1845 then the family moved to OK and several children were born in OK then the family moved back to Dallas. Thanks, Sue -----Original Message----- From: PHYLLIS MURPHY <hiphy@usa.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [[OKROOTS-L] Capitol Hill] > A little of the history of Oklahoma > > On the morning of April 12, 1889, thousands upon thousands of Americans amd >forigners from over the entire nation lined up on the borders of what was then >known as the Unassigned Lands of the Indian Territory, or the "Oklahoma >Country." They came in covered wagons, buggies, and many other conveyances, >by horseback, and on foot to mwait with strained anticipation until high noon >when the blue-uniformed cavalry troops facing them across the line would give >the signal loosing the hors of mankind and horseflesh to make a great, wild >dash for 160 acres of free govenment land. Thousands of others climbed aboard >and atop railroad trains headed for Oklahoma from all over the nation. The >spring-time beauty of the day, with the lush, great landscape lying ever so >serenely under a cloudless sky, would long be remembered as the setting for >this moment of history as men and women rushed forward to cliam the virgin >land. > > This, essentially, is the way the Run of 1889 has been recorded, and it is >a valid picture so far as it goes. But there was so much more to this >significant event, so much more that has never been told.... > The Rund of 1889 into the original Oklahom Lands was one of the most >unique social phenomenons of American history. The magnitude in terms of >participants of American History. It indefinite rules which allowed wide >interpretation without the benefits of precendent, its peculiarities as a way >of occupying a new country, all combines with the insatiable American passion >for free land to produce a chaotic, picturesque, and dramatic occurrence >unlike anything in man's previous experienc. > It was as event of vital consequences to those who participated, yet it was >couched almost as a sporting contest. It concocted a situation where honesty >was discouraged and dishonesty encourage. It offered reward to connivance, >opportunism, political favor, and sometime the brute forms of arms. Even with >these things to one side. the Run of 1889 pradicated a major prize of society >upon the speed of a person's horse. > As the worst the run can be viewed as an act of conglomerated human greed, >where citizens dashed frantically about to grab land. At the best it can be >seen as a fullfillment of God-fearing citizens who wished to build homes for >themselves and for future generations. In truth the Run of 1889 was much of >both. > > Many of those making run were sincere, honest people.who abided by the >rules in good faith and refused to enter the Oklahoma country until the >appointed hour. There were thosr who cheated badly, some of them succeeding >but many losing their claims in the thousand of "sooner" cases which fill the >courts following the run. And there were those otherwise honest people who, >upon seeing so many others crossing the line early, did like-wise for fear of >losing out completely in this "game" which meant so much to themselves and >their families. > > To be continued if you would like to learn more of oklahoma history. > > Phyllis > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >______________________________

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907511603_boundary Content-ID: <0_907511603@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII hi, someone sent me this query, maybe someone on the list knows who she is looking for. Tawsha --part0_907511603_boundary Content-ID: <0_907511603@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <vwall59808@aol.com> Received: from relay29.mx.aol.com (relay29.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.29]) by air05.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 04:27:25 -0400 Received: from ngeout01.news.aol.com (ngeout01.news.aol.com [152.163.176.244]) by relay29.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id EAA13994 for <dthubb@aol.com>; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ladder02.news.aol.com (ladder02.news-fddi.aol.com [172.16.30.241]) by ngeout01.news.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA06829 for <dthubb@aol.com>; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 04:27:24 -0400 Date: 03 Oct 1998 04:27:18 EDT Newsgroups: aol.boards.internal.top-of-world-brd-sy.clubs-and-interests.genealogy.general-genealogy.free-research-offers To: dthubb@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19971203171001.MAA02850@ladder02.news.aol.com> From: vwall59808@aol.com (VWall59808) Subject: Re: Oklahoma research? Message-ID: <19981003042718.10254.00004411@ng149.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>have friend, J. Todd, he is 50, Todd side of family from OK. I am searching for my birth mother and 2 sisters in OK. he asked if i ran across anything on Todds or Brooks, to let him know and see what I could find. by the way, names i search for are Lenora May Sprinkle, Puckett, Winters,( then possibly Bains), I (birth name Sandra Lynn Winters) & 2 sisters Karen Sue Puckett, and Jimmie (or Jimmy) Kay Winters, are Lenora's children, as well as our brother Jerrel Wayne Puckett, who was adopted with me into the same family. Any info would be greatly appreciated. vwall59808@aol.com</HTML> --part0_907511603_boundary--

The Seeker http://www.the-seeker, Linda Hammer has helped many people find lost loved ones, friends, family with her site. It is well worth a BOOKMARK for sure. Please try it. Lois L. Coffelt llc@exit33.com ICQ 18565959 Searching for Cattell, Coffelt, Feldmann, Feldman, Gerken, Gerkin & Other variations of Gerken, Holtzen, Warnke

Phyllis wrote a great account of the OK Land Run. If you would like to read a really great article about OK History (No I didn't write it), visit my home page below and go to "No Particular Family - Lots of Names". Look under OKLAHOMA. Hope you enjoy it. Linda lhaasdav@avana.net Home Page: http://www.avana.net/~lhaasdav/Haas.html County Coordinator and Archivist: Marion Co AR http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion

Can the person that posted the naming pattern this past week repost it please. I have some how deleted it from my files but would like to have it. Thanks, Tina p.s. the one with the first child 2nd child and so on.......

http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okindex.htm "BIBLE ARCHIVES" McAndrews' Family Bible BENEDICT, CHAPMAN, DANIELS, LEPAGE, MCANDREW, ROWELL, WILLIAMS Rogers Family Bible with the following surnames: BROWN, COGBURN, CRAWFORD, DEVENELL, HARTMAN, HUSSEY, RACY, ROGERS, WILLAIMA -- Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels

http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okindex.htm "Biographies" J. P. JACKSON Surnames: JACKSON, RODABAUGH, SNETHEN, HURST, BROWN JAMES BENNETT WHEELIS Surnames: WHEELIS, CROSS, LASSITER FREDERICK PAGE BRANSON Surnames: PAGE, WILSON, ALLEN, JEANS SCHUYLER D. FRENCH Surnames: OSBORN, LOCKWOOD, PAGE, WILSON, ALLEN, CARR PETER WINFRED SWARTS Surnames: SWARTS, RISHEL, LOCKETT, PRATER, ARNOLD JOHN T. KRAMER Surnames: KRAMER, BECKER, JACOBS, BRETZ WILLIAM JOHNSTONE Surnames: JOHNSTONE, HIGGINS, POWERS, STANTON, MCLEISH, ARMSTRONG, BARTLES, KEELER, BEATTIE, LETSON, CAMPBELL, PEMBERTON, CANNON, BIXLER S. G. TROUT Surnames: TROUT, MARSHALL, STANTON, MALONE, HAZELETT, SILVEY, RUSSELL THOMAS W. MAYFIELD Surnames: MAYFIELD, WHITE, GREENMORE -- Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels

Who was researching HACKETTs? Nalora

At 10:55 PM 10/3/98 -0500, Earline Barger wrote: >Keota is near Stigler and is in Haskell County >Coweta is near Tulsa > Can I just say I am confused here . Nalora

April 22, 1889, was one of those days which divided history IT would be difficult to find another single day's event which more strikingly reflected the end of the Old West in Oklahoam. As William Watson, John Watson, , Charley A Cobbler and Martin L. Cobler was living in Winfield,Kansas at this time it is safe to assume they were with what was called the Winfield group. In early April, a large number of Winfield and Cowley County, Kansas, men had hired N. A. Haight to go to Guthrie station and survey off a town plat. The soldiers at the station however, refused to let Haight get off the train, and he was forced to draw up a plat based on his view of the location from the train and from notes made where he had helped survey the area in 1873. Some 200 members of the group each contibuted ten dollars to defray expenses, and each was permitted to select a lot from the plat in the order that their fee had been paid. A minister felt the call to distribute religious literature to the wagons as they struggled through the thick mud in leaving. When he offered a printed piece to one sweating, swearing driver, he was told none-too-politely to keep it. "My friend," the reverend asked, "don't you want to go to Heaven?" "That's just where I'm headed." the driver answered with a crack of his whip. "And if I can cross the Cimarron, I'm bound to get thar." For years the small corps of destitute families had clung to the southern border of Kansas, clustering in makeshift camps on the outskirts of Caldwell, Winfield, Hunnewell and Arkansas City. These were the impoverished loyalists who had followed Payne and Couch on their excursions into the forbidden country. They had endured the privations, the hardships, and the forced hands of the military. For almost ten years now they, or others like them, had waited for the day when the govenment would allow them to cross the border and settle on what they had long contended was free public land. From our families history some of our ancestors rode horse-back into Oklahoma Territory for the land run. The description below. All along the line to the west as far as the eye can reach the boomers with their fast horses are ready. In the hands of most are long sticks that look like fishing rods or lances. They are peeled willow rods, pinted at one end with the owners name, and the words on most are "Soliders claim." The intention is to rush their horses at their highest possible speed and as they reach the border of their land to stake their claim pole in the ground while going at full speed, jump by a quick motion of the hand. The desirable claims will be dotted with sticks. To be continued. Phyllis ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

Sure yo can Nalora :-) -- Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Hosting Counties Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser

And how right you are Earline, there is Coweta, Wagoner Co. and Keota, Haskell Co. -- Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Hosting Counties Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser

At 04:32 PM 10/3/98 -0500, Brett and Kelly Hall wrote: >I missed the original message on Bokchito. Then saw another one about a >cemetery. My family the THOMPSONS and DEATONS lived in this area in >the 1880-1910's. There is a small community and cemetery called >Pleasant Hill near there. If anyone has anyone records that has these >surnames I'd be very interested. me too, me too!!! Nalora

At 04:55 PM 10/3/98 EDT, PPeter4914@aol.com wrote: >Hi ! All the years growing up in Oklahoma City, the area between Shields Blvd >on the East and Western on the West, about SW 22 on the North side and SW 36 >on the South was always referred to as Capital Hill. The borders may not be >exactly accurate but they are fairly close. Maybe someone out there actually >knows the exact borders. > Well I live there and I don't but you are darn close. Commerce Street or SW 25th Street is the old main street of Capital Hill. I never knew why it was called Capital Hill, and did not see the earlier posts. I do know that if you go down Commerce to about Walker, there is a real good Coney Island Hot Dog place. Best Hot dogs in town, IMHO. I also can point out all the old movie theatres, and I know their names. The Redskin Theatre was on SW 29th near Western, I saw great monster movies there when I was a kid. The Knob Hill Theatre was on Commerce near the top of the hill, guess it would be Walker or Shartel and the Yale Theatre was on a cross street but I am not sure now which one. The theatre buildings are still there now, they just are no longer movie theatres. Nalora