Having tornadoes here tonight. Kingfisher and Payne counties so far. Say a little prayer for your Okie kin. Nalora

When I went to school the teachers told us that most people were born, lived and died within 25 miles of one place. BULL !!!!!!!!!!!! According to my family, and several others I know of, these people would have to be buried in concrete to keep them in one place. Candace, your family isn't to bad. They seem to be the rule rather than the exception. As for the census records, you need to see the humor page on OKGenweb's home pages. It will explain a lot about the confusion due to census records. To be fair, these people did the best job they could. Often they took information from the neighbor or whoever happened to be there at the time. I, and I think most people, tend to take census information with a grain of salt. Rule #1 - VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY. Check as many records as possible and look for more. corelate all the information you collect and do your best to weed out the extremes. Bill Walsh We seem to be the smartest when we ask questions, anbd the stupidest when we make statements. Second best, sit quietly in the corner and say nothing.

Glad you said something I didn't have the TV on. Jean Okla. City -----Original Message----- From: Vashti <vashti@theshop.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 6:59 PM Subject: [OKROOTS-L] Tornadoes in OK >Having tornadoes here tonight. > >Kingfisher and Payne counties so far. Say a little prayer for your Okie kin. > >Nalora > > >

My mother-in-law has a year book and in it shows all the previous graduating classes. It's Carmen-Dacoma Shadows of the Past. Starts at 1920 and ends at 1995. 1927's pics are too great along with 1990-1991. Meaning they are not very clear. I also have a scanner if anyone is interested. She is also looking for her cemetery book for the Alfalfa County.

My dad now lives on land that was originally the Pleasant Valley in Logan Co. I have a book with information on some of the old settlers and the history. let me know if I can do a look up. Debra at txfischers@aol.com

A man on the Arkansas list has this quote after his name and I thought it was funny and has some truth to it as well... "Families are like fudge... mostly sweet.. with a few nuts."

Looking for infromation on Charles E. GOODING b Jul 11, 1833 in Portland ME and died Jun 6, 1888 in Colbert IT he was to Mourning T ALLEN b Aug 22 ,1833 in MS and died Feb 16, 1899 in Colbert IT. They are both buried there in Colbert Bryan Co., OK any information on them or their family would be appreceated. TIA Rusty Stroup m2759@

At 09:41 AM 10/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/3/98 7:54:49 AM Central Daylight Time, >flip@chickasaw.com writes: > ><< This came up not long ago, Keota is now spelled Coweta. Some of the old > buildings still have Koeta but the post office among others, says Coweta. > And it is in Haskell County. >> > >What about the Coweta in Wagoner County. It is only about 10 miles from where >I live in Tulsa County. > >Connie > > According to my map it is 83 miles from Keota, pop. 661; zip 74941, in Haskell County, to Coweta, pop. 4554; zip 74429, in Wagoner County... Same town?? I think not! Joe Nunally nunally@oklahoma.net Voice 405 360-0624 Norman, OK 73026-8706 Fax 405 360-7825 Hope you're having a good day - but if you're not, don't try to screw mine up too!!

I know NOTHING specifically of the Coweta / Keota confusion, but thought it might relate to the process of naming Post Offices. Early day communities were typically named without thought to whether there was another of the same name in the territory. If you consider the isolation and lack of communication compared to what we have today, this is easy to understand. So in case of duplicates, the FIRST community to apply for a Post Office got the name. Where I now live in southern New Mexico, there's a nearby village named Picacho, at the foot of Picacho Peak. Residents, however, get their mail from Fairacres -- because the name Picacho had already been approved for a stop in the eastern part of the state when they applied for a Post Office. So if someone is looking for family in Picacho, NM, they must know whether the village or the Post Office is "their" Picacho. The difference is "just" a couple of hundred miles..... I also know of duplicates in Oklahoma. Ghost Towns of Oklahoma has a blurb about Pleasant Valley, which was located in northeastern Logan Co. -- but there was also a Pleasant Valley in northeastern Oklahoma County. And I've wondered how many other early-day territorial communities were called "Pleasant Valley"..... Sharon McAllister 73372.1745@compuserve.com

Jean, I appreciate all you've told me so far, but if you do contact the paper, would you mind asking about info on our bunch? I believe there should be obits in that paper for: LITTLE: William M. came to Oklahoma City with his family in 1901. William M/b.11-13-1857 d.03-11-1934/m. Susan Alice (?)/2nd wife-Estey Hisel (married after 1920)/residence at 56th & Shields/ nephritis. Susan Alice/b.05-23-1854 d.10-24-1920/m. William M./myocarditis Children from Wm & Susan Alice: Harry/b.10-21-1885 d.06-15-1910/last address Los Angeles CA/ strangulation William D. Jr/b.05-20-1898 d.04-19-1919/last address Stop#6, S. on Interurban/influenza Mrs. Jennie E.(or Ethyl J.)/b.07-15-1878/06-16-1914/acute dilation of stomach/no last address/don't know which one of the LITTLEs she was married to. Bert Mark/b. 10-26-1878 d.10-12-1937/Oakland CA/auto accident. Charles H./b.02-03-1893 d.03-19-1965/Oklahoma City/pyelonephritis. Mabel M./b.09-05-1899 d.06-05-1976/Oklahoma City/wife of Charles (Chuck) Hearl Gail /b.05-03-1881 d.06-06-1967/Oklahoma City/congestive heart failure/m. Carrie WOLF 10-19-1904 in Capitol Hill. Carrie Elizabeth WOLF /b.1883 d.11-13-1925/pneumonia/last address 50th & Shields/1st wife of Hearl Gail/mother of James Harry Little/b.1919/d.1964 Daisy /b.01-27-1888 d.08-17-1978/Oklahoma City/m. Ellsworth NEEDHAM. Laura /married a HISEL/rest is unknown WOLF: John W./b.1854 d.11-25-1928/38th & Western/angina pectoris Caroline BOMBY/b.1857 d.07-11-1953/Oklahoma City/coronary thrombosis/wife of John Children: Roy C. Fannie Maria /b.03-15-1896 d.03-15-1966/Oklahoma City Carrie Elizabeth LITTLE (see above) Anything is appreciated. Thanks a million! Beth & Jim -----Original Message----- From: Jean <j3an@flash.net> To: OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 9:59 AM Subject: [OKROOTS-L] Capitol Hill >Anyone needing info on people who lived in Capitol Hill please resubmit >info. >I am going to try to contact the newspaper the Capitol Hill beacon to see if >we can find out any info from them. I have been planning to contact the >owner MR. Sellers to see if our Sellers lines are the same. DON'T GET YOUR >HOPES UP MAY COME TO NOTHING. >Jean >Okla. City- > >

At 05:00 PM 10/4/98 +0200, Candace Biamonti wrote: >Hi to you all! > I have going over the few little piles that I have on this family of >mine that lived out a seemingly Peyton Place life in the little town of >Colbert, OK. > I would like to know if it is usual that the Census records record >different information for the same person. I have this Frank R. Standerfer >that in the 1900 Indian Territory Census is listed as being born Feb 1858 >in Mississippi along with his mother Sarah E. as being born Jan 1831 in >Mississippi. Then in the 1910 OK Census Frank R. is born in Ill in 1858 and >he is with his wife Ala (Edith Emola Kelley) born in Ill (this is true) and >they have a daughter born in TX Alta (my grandmother) and a son Fanky(Frank) >born in OK. This is not unusual. It could be a simple matter of: q: Where are you from? a: Mississippi q: Where were you born? a: Illinois. In the earlier censuses this is even more common, depending on how the census taker phrased his question and who he is talking to. Sometimes a really lazy census taker may not even get the information from the actual head of household or his wife, but a neighbor. > Is it normal to find this kind of confusion? I know that Edith Emola >and Frank met in Indiana or Ill. These two were married in Grayson Co. >Texas in 1894. This is because they could not be married in Oklahoma being >non-Indian? Pardon my ignorance, but how did they live on Indian land not >being Indian. My other great-grandfather married a part Indian woman and >they had lots of land. Did whites work the land like share-croppers? > My last question of the day is were there not laws about incestuous >marriages? I have Edith Emola's brother, Frank Kelley, marrying her >daughter, Mary Roberts, from her marriage to Mr. Roberts! > One more little question, did people all move around in those days like >this family did? These were coming and going from all corners of the USA! I think that it was extremely hard to keep track of anyone being a bigamist or marrying kin. I think the laws on marrying kin are actually quite recent. It was exceptionly common in the south. (hence the song: I am my own Grandpa). With my own line...my slimey worm that wont be trod is, in my belief, a bigamist. There is no other way to account for the birthdates and marriage dates of his kids. Many Indians leased their lands, some of the Indians had surplus lands they gave back to the government for money. some whites worked for indians, or were adopted by the tribe. Many people came up from Texas to IT JUST to get married or have kids to establish residency, so they could acquire permits to live here. Not unlike illegal aliens of today...the same rules apply. I ran across an item in the paper in my lookups the other day of a man who divorced his wife to marry her mother, so he was essentially at one time her husband and later her stepfather. Nalora

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At 10:14 AM 10/4/98 -0500, Marti Graham wrote: >Nalora, if you don't get a response check Genie Angels Oklahoma page - we have >a Woodward Co. volunteer listed. > >http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 > >Marti > >> Any one over in Woodward, Ok (Woodward County) have better access to some Woodward Cemetary listings information? OHS is sadly lacking in Woodward area. thanks Marti, I had not checked that yet. I am still going through piles and piles of my grandmother's papers, and that keeps me pretty busy on weekends. Nalora

Marti, Darwin Cemetery is located 9 miles west of Antlers, Pushmataha Co. -- Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Hosting Counties Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser

Anyone know where either of these cemeteries are located? Maramec Cemetery, Pawnee Co. Darwin Cemetery County Unknown Marti -- Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator OKGenWeb ICQ# 14382735 http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels

I have updated pittsburg county. page anyone with Pittsburg co connections should take a look at the new page http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Karen

My great uncle William GROSS was in the 1889 run. Settled in Moore, Ok. Ellen Byrne, dande@mail.tds.net

Good morning! Researching PICKERING-BROWN-GOODALL in 1880 Carter CO., OK. Wendy

Just wanted to say that Colbert is in Bryan Co.!

Nalora, if you don't get a response check Genie Angels Oklahoma page - we have a Woodward Co. volunteer listed. http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Marti > Any one over in Woodward, Ok (Woodward County) have better access to some Woodward Cemetary listings information? OHS is sadly lacking in Woodward area. -- Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator OKGenWeb ICQ# 14382735 http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878 Genie Angels