Best advice I have heard ln days. Doris auntydo@aol.com

We heard about the tornados in Oklahoma all the way down here in Houston, we had a few warning in SE Houston but nothing here in the Woodlands, just some nice rain that we have been lacking. Glad to hear that no one had any damage. Looking for information on a deputy sheriff of Bixby, his name was W.E. (WILLIAM EARNEST) PINION some times referred to as OLD BILL PINION. He was b. 1874. I have one article about him, but not much else. Would like to see if anyone has information about his family. Will greatly appreciate it. Next question: does anyone know anything about "JITTNEY" services that ran in the Tulsa area in say 1915 to 1940. We have one copy of a small article written about one that ran from Tulsa to Claremore, but no dates. It was supposedly run by the other side of my family tree the RANKIN's . My grandfathers' name was CHARLES WESLEY RANKIN. Don't have much on his family either. Thanks in advance Peggy Pinion Rook, The Woodlands, TX ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907600274_boundary Content-ID: <0_907600274@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_907600274_boundary Content-ID: <0_907600274@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: PhiKappaFI@aol.com Return-path: <PhiKappaFI@aol.com> To: jlittle@telepath.com Subject: Re: [OKROOTS-L] Cellar Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:08:31 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I remember a road trip my husband and I made to Ingalls, OK (a true ghost town...where the Doolins killed several lawmen). My 11 year old daughter and 8 year old son were terrified to see a white funnel cloud already on the ground and already whipping debris through the air as it came right at us through a wheat field. My husband stopped the car at an intersection to discuss what to do...try to get back to my folks house where they had a cellar or try to make a run for it in the car. The tension was high...finally my son piped up and said, "Well, turn one way or another you old fool...we're gonna get killed sittin' here!" The usual discipline for calling an elder an "old fool" was lost in our laughter as we set out for my folk's cellar. The tornado, of course, dissapated (as they often do in Oklahoma) and we went about our business soon after the sighting. Still have to chuckle from time to time. --part0_907600274_boundary--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_907600168_boundary Content-ID: <0_907600168@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_907600168_boundary Content-ID: <0_907600168@inet_out.mail.email.msn.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <hjaime@email.msn.com> Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v50.16) with SMTP; Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:59:20 -0400 Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159] (may be forged)) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA19822 for <Dthubb@aol.com>; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jewel - 153.34.12.166 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:58:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bdf003$93485080$a60c2299@jewel> From: "Mig J" <hjaime@email.msn.com> To: <Dthubb@aol.com> Subject: looking for my ancestors Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:57:55 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am looking for the ancestors of my great grandfather Gove Bunch. He was a resident of Bernice Oklahoma when he died. He was married to Edith Bunch. I would really appreciate it if you would let me know if you have any information you can give me. Thank you. --part0_907600168_boundary--

In a message dated 10/5/98 1:13:42 PM, d_rook@juno.com wrote: <<We heard about the tornados in Oklahoma all the way down here in Houston, we had a few warning in SE Houston but nothing here in the Woodlands, j>> There was a funnel out by Hobie (probably not spelled correctly...I'm not from Houston) Airport in Houston last night. My son could see it from the plane he was on. They weren't allowed to land because of it. sbd

In a message dated 10/5/98 9:55:18 AM, KFDeines@aol.com wrote: <<Was my family the only one who called the cellar the "FEAR HOLE"? Pete>> Heard it called the FRAIDY HOLE, but never heard FEAR HOLE before. sbd

A stormy night is the traditional time for story-telling, so.... As some of you know, I've been collecting information on anyone I can place in Luther Township, Oklahoma County, Oklahoma Territory [1891-1907]. What few know, however, is that this project can be traced back to a friendship forged in pioneer days -- including nights taking shelter from tornados in my Ggrandfather's dugout.... I spent a great deal of time with my Ggrandfather [O.M. COLE] when I was growing up, and learned genealogy through a game he devised. By the time I entered the first grade, I understood that one of my classmates was a second half-cousin, once-removed, while another was a third cousin, once-removed -- and exactly how some others were related by marriage. So that was the beginning of my interest in genealogy, but he also told me stories about folks who were friends and neighbors in the early days. Luther Township was settled by black & white homesteaders in almost equal numbers. It was relatively isolated, and the way my Ggrandfather described those days, "your neighbor's character was a lot more important than the color of his skin." When my mother and I started this project a few years ago, we agreed that there was no point in doing it at all unless it included both black & white pioneers. So I called a descendant of one of my Ggrandfather's neighbors to see what she thought of the project. Probably hadn't seen her more than a couple of times since I moved away from Luther over 30 years ago, so I started out by telling her what I remembered of my Ggrandfather's tales about her family and asking to be corrected. For example: her father was the first lawyer in Luther, not just the first black lawyer. Right. And because he was the only lawyer for some time, he had both black & white clients. She laughed when I got to the story about taking shelter from tornados in my Ggrandfather's dugout -- because she'd heard it many times but didn't realize it had been handed down in our family, too. Maybe that helps explain why the families have been friends for several generations. Anyway, she's retired after teaching in the Luther school system for many years, and my mother is retired after serving as the postmaster there for over 30 years. So if your family lived in Luther in the past 60 years, chances are at least one of these ladies will remember them -- and may even be able to put you in touch with shirttail kin still living there. The catch is that neither of them are on line. That's why I keep asking anyone whose looking for ancestors in the Luther area to write to me. See? It may take a century, but some good can come out of even tornados..... Sharon McAllister 73372.1745@compuserve.com

I found an old note of my grandmothers with a family tree on it and she wrote on it that in her mothers day it was common to name all or one of her childrens middle name as her surname. My Fathers middle name is her maiden surname and My mothers middle name is her mothers maiden surname. My own first daughter has 2 middle names.... one is my maiden surname. Hope that helps. Tiffany From: ednix@Pacbell.net wrote: >Any idea what part mother's maiden names might have played. I've got a >couple of middle names that look like they could be surnames. > >nan kent wrote: > >> Here is one naming pattern. >> 1st son---after the father's father >> 2nd son---after the mother's father >> 1st dau---for the mother's mother >> 2nd dau---for the father's mother >> 3rd son---after the father >> 3rd dau---after the mother >> 4th son---for the father's eldest brother >> 4th dau---for the mother's eldest sister > > > >

I live in AR now, but as a child I can remember the sirens and taking shelter from the tornado. I was born in Chickasha, but grew up in Stillwater, OK. To this day, when weather gets bad, I don't listen to the news, I get the kids and go to my fathers house. He keeps a look out at the sky and lets us know when to get in a shelter. I hope all of you are safe in OK. The bad weather has not made it here yet! I have really enjoyed reading your responses and questions asked. I have had some help from most of them. Now for the surname-WOODRUFF-I know where my father and his siblings were born, and my grandparents, both sides are buried in the cemetery at Geary, OK. I stlll have aunts and uncles living there, Hinton, and OK City. I am at a loss tho' for my grandfather G.N. Woodruff m. Necie Viola McCoy in Detroit, Red River, TX However, they moved to Hugo, OK where an uncle Spurgen Louis "Bozo" Woodruff was born. I am trying to trace family from both sides that remain in OK./TX. I hope to find someone who knows Necie Viola's Family. Her father was Flem and her mother was Mary Jane both buried in Detroit, TX. I can not find any more info than that. I have asked my dad and his two sisters, they can't remember anything about her family. It has been rather comical in my searches so far. I have met some really neat WOODRUFF cousins through the internet that they did not know were alive. I had also been told Spurgeon was never married, YET, we have a picture now of Spurgeon and his unnamed wife!! I am making plans to come to OK City to do some searching-but I do not know where to go, so directions, if anyone can tell me would be great! My WOODRUFF side is from Samuel WOODRUFF of SC. I have gotten back to the late 1500's with them-of verified information-and suspect I have found three more-yet to be verified. Any help would be great. Jil-a OKIE still at heart kpulley@alpha-net.net

Any idea what part mother's maiden names might have played. I've got a couple of middle names that look like they could be surnames. nan kent wrote: > Here is one naming pattern. > 1st son---after the father's father > 2nd son---after the mother's father > 1st dau---for the mother's mother > 2nd dau---for the father's mother > 3rd son---after the father > 3rd dau---after the mother > 4th son---for the father's eldest brother > 4th dau---for the mother's eldest sister

Okay, call me stupid, but what does -------w/p mean in a death date? Thanks, Tina

Here is one naming pattern. 1st son---after the father's father 2nd son---after the mother's father 1st dau---for the mother's mother 2nd dau---for the father's mother 3rd son---after the father 3rd dau---after the mother 4th son---for the father's eldest brother 4th dau---for the mother's eldest sister

Sharon, I am glad to hear from you ! I was wondering how you were doing in Guthrie! Glad you are OK! Tiffany -Sharon wrote: >What a night, but we survived here in Guthrie, Logan Co. Stood out in >the yard and watch the wall cloud going down Hyw 33. Thought about one >of the articles on OKbits(May 26,1910 Garvin Co.) where three people >were caught in the yard during a tornado, one was picked up and killed >while the other two didn't receive a scratch. Kind of graphic but >interesting reading about the destruction. >-- >Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 >OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ >Hosting Counties >Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm >Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm >Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser > >

What a night, but we survived here in Guthrie, Logan Co. Stood out in the yard and watch the wall cloud going down Hyw 33. Thought about one of the articles on OKbits(May 26,1910 Garvin Co.) where three people were caught in the yard during a tornado, one was picked up and killed while the other two didn't receive a scratch. Kind of graphic but interesting reading about the destruction. -- Sharon Burnett Crawford ICQ#18100823 OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Hosting Counties Garvin: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm Pittsburg: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpittsb/pittsb.htm Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford and Gosser

If I do not have my subject line spelled correctly, you may contact Dan Quail. I grew up in Ok. Was my family the only one who called the cellar the "FEAR HOLE"? Pete

We are just a homey little bunch. I remember the night Stratford got hit. We watched the tornado out of the kitchen window. My dad tried to call town to warn them but the phone lines were already down. We drove in (9 miles) and took a look around later that night. Roofs gone, store fronts knocked in, glass all over main street. That was in 58 or 59, I think. That tornado came in February if I'm not mistaken. (Garvin County) Beth

Lived at Hillsdale when I was in second grade. We had no cellar so Mr. Greene, across the road, invited us to spend the night with him and his family in theirs. After that night mamma swore she would not spend another minute in a storm cellar. We never did. If dad was at home we would get into the old Buick and drive. If dad was at work we would sit out on the porch and watch the action. Never said we were a bright bunch. Praying for you all, John

>I will say a prayer. I still remember all the nights I spent in the >cellar when I was growing up in western OK. > >Sharon > > ONLY on OKROOTS could you post this message and know that we understand the need for "nights in a cellar" !!!LOL otherwise someone might think you were abused as a child! LOL, Tiffany

Sharon, Now that's a subject we can all relate to. "The Nights I spent in the cellar"!! lol Brings back 'musty' memories. Beth

Vashti wrote: > > Having tornadoes here tonight. > > Kingfisher and Payne counties so far. Say a little prayer for your Okie kin. > > Nalora I will say a prayer. I still remember all the nights I spent in the cellar when I was growing up in western OK. Sharon