Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/607 Surname: KEETH, BIVIN, WHITTINGTON ------------------------- BIRTH NAME: REBA DORA MAYHAN, NOT MAYHAM. DOB 11/30/29, NOT '26. #8 OF 9 MAYHAN CHILDREN. PLACED WITH 6 YOUNGEST CHILDREN IN WHITAKER HOME, 7/25/33. PLACED WITH LAWRENCE GROVER KEETH (DOB 10/2/1892 IN MISSOURI. DOD, 3/1/68 IN YUCCA VALLEY, SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY, CA) & MAHALIA TENNESSEE (BIVIN) KEETH (DOB 3/29/1888 IN MISSOURI. DOD 7/7/55 IN RICHMOND, CONTRA COSTA COUNTY, CA) ON 8/8/33. ADOPTED IN OKMULGEE COUNTY, OK 11/10/33. ORDER #3476. BIVIN FAMILY FROM MISSOURI, OKLAHOMA AND TENNESSEE. MAHALIA'S MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME, WHITTINGTON.

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/606 Surname: Bell ------------------------- I am looking for information on Anna Vance Bell who is buried in the Lackey Cemetery in Hitchita, OK Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Jann Davenport

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/605 Surname: THOMAS ------------------------- I'm looking for a DAVID MARION THOMAS who was born either in Okmulgee,OK (Okmulgee Co.) or in Muskogee,OK (Muskogee Co.)in the early 1900's.His teenage sweetheart,Ella Marie Smith Luschen,would like to know whatever happened to him:did he marry,have children,etc...She was born 3/20/1913 and said he was about 6-10yrs older than her.She said she was about 14 which would make him in his early-mid 20's.She married sometime after her 15 birthday and lost track of him.I think they dated in about 1926 or 1927.If anyone has any info,please help satisfy the curiousity of an 87 year old woman.Thanks, Dawn

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/604 Surname: Choate, Brannon, Brennan, O'Brennan ------------------------- Please contact me with any information on anyone with the outlined surnames. My Great Grandfather's name was Thomas Edward O'Brennan. At sometime he changed the surname by dropping the O' from it. There were four girls born to he and my Great Grandmother Nellie Mae Brennan, Mary Elizabeth (died as an adolescent from TB), Marguerite Katherine(my grandmother), Helen Virginia and Ethel Marie (aka: Reed). My Grandparent's were Oscar Choate from Little Rock Arkanasas and Marguerite K. Brennan from Indian Territory Oklahoma. Born to them were William Edward (burned to death at age 3 in January of 1934 and burried in Sunny Lane or Sunny Dell cemetery), Laura Jean, Kathrine Elizabeth and Shirley Nell (my mother). All of these people at some time resided in/around Okmulgee. Any information on any of these people or on the location of the Sunny Lane or Dale cemetery would be of great help.

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/602 Surname: BRANDON ------------------------- WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH CEMATARY,EULA FRANCIS BRANDON BORN AUG 18 1924,DIED NOV. 14 1927 IS BURIED AT IN OKLMUGEE,OKLA

I've decided to submit this family on the October Roll Call.......it isn't actually my family, but the family of a dear friend of mine, whom I'm helping with his research. Sauney & Blanche Thurman COPELIN lived on a farm near Okmulgee in the 1930s and 40s. Blanche was the aunt of my friend, Jess Thurman, and he remembers visiting on their farm when he was a little boy. He's told me about Aunt Blanche's famous blueberry pie. As far as we know, Sauney & Blanche had no children. Blanche was born January 20, 1890 in Oklahoma (not sure where), to Edward Maynard & Emma Moss THURMAN. I don't have any of Sauney's dates. Blanche and Sauney married on Dec. 9, 1905 in Pontotoc County....the record states they were both from Maxwell. It is thought that Blanche's father, Edward Maynard THURMAN, lived with her and Sauney in his later years, and until his death...which was, we think, in 1949. We are still trying to find his death date and burial place, as well as that of his wife Emma Moss Thurman. Blanche died June 15, 1968, in Paul's Valley, Garvin County, Oklahoma. We don't know when or where Sauney died. Sure hope that this family might ring a bell with someone in the Okmulgee area. Myrna MyrnaS@aol.com

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/600 Surname: Sanders ------------------------- I am looking for info on the family of RINALDO RINOR SANDERS. His obituary states that he was buried at the Morris Cemetery. He had either a brother or a son named FRANK SANDERS that lived in MORRIS,OKMULGEE,OKLAHOMA. Any info on Frank Sanders would be appreciated as well. Rinaldo had another son named ARCHIBALD CALEB that lived in Checotah. I come through that line.

Hello everyone, October's roll call will focus on just one generation of your OKMULGEE COUNTY family. It will be a twofold project, including data and also a bit of 'color.' 1. Select a family -- husband, wife, and children -- and give whatever birth, marriage, or death dates and locations you may have for each one of them. (You may submit one for each of your Okmulgee County families.) The second step is optional, but I hope you'll find it interesting. 2. Share with us what you have learned about this family. Have there been any stories passed down through the generations? You may choose one family member to feature, or the family in general. Has your research turned up clues to their daily lives? How were they affected by wars, the weather, or by the frequent and sometimes deadly epidemics? Did they live their entire lives on the same land where their parents had lived, or did they forge ahead on their own? This Roll Call is for the full month of October, so take your time and post when you're ready, but I do hope that each of you will participate. We all collect and record the names, dates, and places for our families, but the stories give them life! Don't forget to replace the subject line with the head of household of the family you choose to feature. I ask in advance for permission to place your Family Stories on the webpage, along with the other accounts of early life in the county. In the happy event that you have photographs of the persons you feature, please send them to me OFFLIST and I will include them with your accounts. I will leave you with a thought to ponder...a hundred years from now, what will be the stories told about YOU? [gasp!] LaRae Halsey-Brooks TimeTrvlrO@aol.com OKMULGEE COUNTY listmgr. OKMULGEE COUNTY OKGenWeb Project Page - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okokmulg/index.html

Congradulations to Earline Barger and her Sequoyah County, OK site for the October Award of the Month!! Here's the Sequoyah Co. address if you'd like to take a look: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oksequo2/ Great Job! Becky York _____________________________________________________ If you're unsure of which to vote for next, here's the OK county link list: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/countyquick.htm and here is where to vote: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/nominate.html ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ on Indian Mountain near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~* ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ My Family Genealogy: York, Baer, Stewart, Lee, more http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ouryorks York: the Url of York ~*~ for all York lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~allyorks ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/599 Surname: Davis, Mathew ------------------------- Looking for information on Annie Mathew Married Charlie Davis Around 1909 in in Okmulgee Co. She died in September of 1910. Had one son Jay C. Davis. Any information would be greatly appreciated

In a message dated 9/28/2000 9:49:29 PM PDT, lamsie@gruver.net writes: << Am looking for the graves of my grandfather and his two children... My grandfather, Marion Franklin Pierson -- b 11-11-1874; Dunklin, Mo. -- d 3-27-1908, Okmulgee OK. 1. James Oliver Pierson -- b 1-30-1904 -- d 9-18-1906; Okmulgee Ok. 2. Gerdie Angeline Pierson -- b11-06-1906 -- d 8-08-1907 a Twin 9 mo., Okmulgee Ok. Thank you for time. Elsie Pierson Lamb lamsie@gruver.net >>

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/597 Surname: Sanders, Lucius ------------------------- Im looking for family that is related to the late Lucius Bob Sanders Jr. I know about some of his sisters and brothers but not their parents. I am also looking for one of them that has a picture of my father to show my children.

Hi everyone: It's almost the end of the month (already!) and time to get your favorite county vote in for the Monthly award. Please vote to show your appreciation to the dedication and hard work these OK county co-ordinators put in to these sites! If you're unsure of which to vote for here's the OK county link list: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/countyquick.htm and here is where to vote: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/nominate.html ONE AWARD PER COUNTY PER 12 MONTH ----- Becky York ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ on Indian Mountain near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho **~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~* Jefferson Co. OK Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okjeffer/ listadmin of Jefferson Co., OK maillist@rootsweb ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ My Family Genealogy: York, Baer, Stewart, Lee, more http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ouryorks York: the Url of York ~*~ for all York lines: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~allyorks ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/595 Surname: Thurman, Nellis, Bishop, Nichols, Gedney, Ledney, Williams ------------------------- United States

Hi All! Just joined the list! My name's Teri Vaughn, and I live in Houston Texas:) I joined this list because I am working on my mother's adopted family lineage, the Campbell/Black/Jones/Turriff Line, originally from Texas, moved to Henryetta, and then all points beyond that. My particular interest lies at the moment with Jeff Dee Campbell, aka: Jefferson D. Campbell, Jeff David Campbell, Jefferson Davis Campbell, etc etc. He moved from Navarro county, Texas to Henryetta Oklahoma sometime after 1898, and before November, 1918, the time of his death.Jeff's buried in Coal Creek Cemetery according to family records. I am trying without much luck to find his family lineage starting with him and his possible siblings, and before him. It is my understanding Jeff's parents died when he was quite young, and he was raised by another family. His daughter, Lottie Campbell Black Jones adopted my mother Judy late in life. There are very few folks left in this line, and I'd dearly love to be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together for those that are remaining. Anyone having links into this family, think you may have links into this family, or know anything about any campbells (or other families ) who came from Navarro County, Texas to Henryetta, please feel free to share and compare. I'm really quite at a loss here... Best Regards, Teri Vaughn

The below article is posted in the archives on Genealogy.com Impossible and Improbable by Donna Przecha Genealogy thrives as a rewarding hobby because most people in the past lived orderly lives. We expect them to be born, marry, have children and die, and that there will be someone to record most of these events somewhere. Usually this is exactly what happens. All we have to do is find out where these events were recorded. However, occasionally we come across events that just do not fit into the orderly scheme of things. Sometimes they seem to be highly improbable or completely impossible. Disowned Children In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or social class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this rule, some families would disown them and even declare them dead. In one case the parents not only declared the child dead but went so far as to erect a tombstone with her name and her marriage date as the death date. People who were mentally ill or physically deformed might be sent off to an asylum or hospital and the family would act as if they were dead. They might be recorded in the family Bible as having died, so when you find the individual in a census you will be thoroughly confused! A daughter might also be disowned if she became pregnant and was not married or a son cut out of the family if he ended up in prison. Obituaries were generally provided by the families, and facts and children who did not suit the image the family wished to project could be omitted. If a child was not mentioned in the obituary in the local hometown paper, it didn't mean the child didn't exist or was deceased. Finding disowned children can be very difficult because they often moved a long way from their original home to a completely different environment. Someone from Connecticut might move to Idaho or Texas for no apparent reason. With more national indexes becoming available, it is easier to locate these people. Since most census indexes are still on a state-by-state basis, you almost have to check each state as there is no predicting where they might have gone. The names of disowned children might turn up in a will or probate. In a will the parent might want to mention the child just to be sure he or she is cut out of the inheritance. If there was no will, all living children would need to be named in legal documents relating to an inheritance. In past times marrying outside the family's religion, race, culture or social class was considered by some to be taboo. If children violated this rule, some families would disown them and even declare them dead. Bigamy Even in this day of instant communication with cell phones, pagers and the Internet, you can still pick up the paper and read about a man who was married to different women and had two different families, each of which was unknown to the other. (Why a man would want the responsibilities of two families and keeping them secret is beyond me!) In the past it was so much easier to acquire two wives, although it was more often serial rather than concurrent. If a man from Virginia went to California to look for gold, he might decide after a couple of fruitless years that he didn't want to go home and face the ridicule of his family and neighbors. He might decide to just settle down in California, perhaps open a store or take up farming and marry a girl he met there. Since he may have stopped writing to his family in Virginia months ago, he would hardly feel it was necessary to go to all the trouble and agony of trying to get a divorce. He might even send back an announcement of his death just to close that chapter of his life. Even in this day of instant communication, you can still pick up the paper and read about a man who was married to different women and had two different families, each of which was unknown to the other. When a husband disappears, the wife usually goes through the legal process to have him declared dead after a certain period of time. You might encounter the family with the husband in one census and in the next find the wife listed as a widow. This would lead you to believe he died in the meantime and you would look for cemetery records, obituaries, wills and death records. If he simply disappeared, you will not find any of these and may need to explore court records for a legal document declaring him dead. Of course, he may not really be dead at all. Name Changes Many men, especially new immigrants, found it too overwhelming to try to support a family and just walked off and were never heard from again. They might even change their names, settle down in a new area and get married again. This is very difficult to track and document, but one place where this could come out is in military pension records. If a man was in the Civil War, his first wife would know he was entitled to a pension and would apply for one when it became obvious he was never coming back, and could be presumed dead. If he remarried under another name, he might feel enough loyalty to his second wife to disclose his military service and the name under which he enlisted. Once he died and the second wife applied for her pension, both applications would end up with the same service record. If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or official documents as possible. If you suspect a possible name change, be sure to consult as many legal or official documents as possible, such as pension papers, wills, naturalization papers or land deeds. Even if a man changed names he might think he had to include his "also known as" (AKA) name to be sure the transaction was valid, fearing the original name might come out at some point and nullify the action. A woman could create genealogical confusion by not changing her name. If a woman had a child out of wedlock, she might move to another town, keep her maiden name but call herself Mrs., claiming she was a widow. Even if people knew she had never married, a mother would be called Mrs. as a courtesy because it would be embarrassing to all concerned to suggest that an unmarried woman had a child. In African-American research, many people assume that a freed slave would take the family name of the person who had owned him before emancipation. In fact, the freed slaves could take any name they liked and many experimented with several names before settling on one. Siblings might choose different surnames so it is not obvious to a researcher that they are related. A parent might have lived on a different plantation and select a different name from the child. Many chose names of famous people or people they admired, so the surname may or may not be significant for the researcher. Freed slaves could take any name they liked, so the surname may or may not be significant for the researcher. Duplicate Names Sometimes a researcher looking through baptism records will find a couple who gave the same name to two different children. A look at the burials usually reveals that the first child with that name died before the second one was born. In some cases no such death is found. In fact, both children seem to live, grow up and produce their own records. This can cause the researcher a bit of confusion and reexamination of the records. For some reason — perhaps a lack of imagination? — parents will give children almost identical names. In one family there was a John and a Jonathan, and both lived to adulthood. Mary and Maria are also possibilities. Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same for all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different. A family might consist of Johann Georg, Johann Wilhelm, Johann Josef, Anna Barbara, Anna Maria and Anna Theresa. Needless to say, the children usually went by their middle names and the children might be known as Georg, Johann, Josef, Barbara, Anna and Theresa. In later records, they might reverse the name since the middle name was the one usually used. This means you almost have to follow the lives of all the brothers to be sure who was really Johann. Just to confuse matters, Georg and Josef might use their official first name, Johann, on a record. Sometimes, especially in German names, the first name would be the same for all children of the same sex, but the second name would be different. Informal Adoptions Very often in the past, adoptions were very informally arranged. A woman might have a child that she really couldn't care for, because of health or financial reasons, while her sister might have wanted a child but was unable to have one. It might be agreed between the two families that the child would be given to the other to raise. No papers were signed or legal documents filed. Similarly, a foundling might be taken in by a family and simply raised as their own. Wrong Sex We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census and a female in another. This frequently happens with unusual names, or names that can be either sex, and usually it is just an error on the part of the census taker. However, there have been cases where children have been raised as if they were the opposite sex. Boys were dressed like girls when they were small and a mother who wanted a girl and was unable to have any more children might well continue that deception until the child revolted. Sex change operations were not possible 100 years ago but people could live as if they were the opposite sex. A woman might be especially tempted to masquerade as a man if she wished to be a soldier or a cowboy or follow some equally masculine occupation. Very recently a well-known band leader died and it was found that he, even though he was married, was actually a woman and no one knew. We have all encountered a person being classified as a male in one census and a female in another. This is usually just an error on the part of the census taker, but alternate explanations are sometimes possible. Race Change While following a family back through the census you might find a person who had always been classified as white, listed as mulatto, meaning a mixture of white and African ancestry. While we know the census taker often made mistakes, this might mean there is African-American ancestry in that line. Appearance played a big part in racial designation and when possible, many people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they could. The children of Sally Hemings are a good example. (Whether or not you believe Thomas Jefferson was the father, it is generally accepted that the father of the Hemings children was white.) Sally herself was 1/4 black, as her father and maternal grandfather were both white. Her children were only 1/8 black. They all drifted off, with or without permission, and settled elsewhere. Eston at first settled in Ohio and in 1852 moved to Wisconsin where he changed his name from Hemings to Jefferson and his race to white. Eston's descendants did not even know of their black ancestry. Beverly (a son) and Harriet apparently disappeared into white society. Thomas became a minister in the African Methodist church and Madison stayed in the black community. Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry. Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones, had to live, it made sense to be classified as white if at all possible. It made their lives and the lives of their families much easier. Many people, especially in the south, have both white and black ancestry. Given the conditions and disadvantages under which blacks, even free ones, had to live, many people of mixed ancestry would "pass" for white when they could. Facing the Impossible I would not encourage anyone to look for any of these extreme situations in his or her own family research, but if the impossible or the improbable appears, keep an open mind. If you come across one of these situations, this line may be truncated. Even if you do manage to work around it, it will take much research and documentation to gather enough evidence to prove what really happened. However, if you do manage to piece the whole story together, it will probably be the highlight of your family history! Ruth in NC Jack Childers in OKC The Clan Childers: http://hometown.aol.com/jchild8629/genealgy/index.htm Index of Surnames: http://mccserv.com/genealogy/genelist.htm

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/593 Surname: FRAZIER, FRASIER, POOLE, POOL ------------------------- >From a Missouri news article, Aug 1929: "Justice E. H. Cullison today reported the marriage of Clyde Poole of Treece, Kan. and Marietta Frazier of Henryetta, Okla." Does anyone know anything about the family of Marietta Frazier from Henryetta, Okmulgee Co. Okla.? Thank you.

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/591 Surname: THURMAN, COPELIN, MOSS ------------------------- I am in the process of helping a friend try to locate the graves of his grandparents, EDWARD MAYNARD & EMMA MOSS THURMAN. Edward was born in Tennessee in 1862. Emma was born in Missouri in 1869. It is believed that Emma died in about 1935, and that Edward died in 1949. It is also believed that Edward was living with his daughter and son-in-law, Blanche & Sauney Copelin, who lived on a farm near the town of Okmulgee, in Okmulgee County, at the time of his death. If anyone has any information on either Edward & Emma THURMAN or Blanche & Sauney COPELIN, please e-mail me. Thanks so much for your help.

Hi, I'm new to the list, and am doing some research for a friend of mine. We are looking for the graves of his grandparents. It is believed that the grandfather, in his later years, lived with his daughter and son-in-law, Blanche & Sauney Copelin, who had lived on a farm near Okmulgee. We are looking for Edward Maynard THURMAN & his wife, Emma Moss THURMAN. Edward was born in 1862, and it is believed that he died in 1949. Emma was born in 1869, and is thought to have died about 1935. Any help, or information that anyone might have on these people, I would greatly appreciate it if you would send me an e-mail. Thanks....your help is appreciated. Myrna MyrnaS@aol.com

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee/587 Surname: Stephenson ------------------------- Looking for any information on a Doctor Stephenson in the Okmulgee or Henryetta area in the 1930-1950 time frame. His first name is not known, but he did practice medicine in this time frame. He apparently practiced first in Henryetta and later moved to Okmulgee. Looking for any information on him, his spouse, children, or siblings.