Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=461 Surname: PELL, MOREY, HOFFMAN, MOUNT, McLAUGHLIN ------------------------- You might try contacting the Okmulgee Library and ask them to do a lookup in their cemetery books. I was there in person last month and asked about the Old Cussetah Cemetery and Deep Fork Cemetery. Diane, I believe it was, went straight to the book in the genealogy room and showed me how to find the listings of names in each cemetery. Though I didn't find Deep Fork, I did find Cussetah (and my ggrandmother's name.) They seemed very helpful there. Good luck!

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=460 Surname: Hendrix, Stroud, McKinnis ------------------------- Does anyone have access to the Salem and Senora Cemetries listed in Henryette, Okmulgee co OK and could look for Hendrix's? Thanks, Pat Stewart

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Bible Records Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/OkmulgeeBibl?read=9 Surname: Hendrix, Stroud, McKinnis ------------------------- Would someone who has access to the Salem and Senora Cemetries, in Henryette, Olkmulgee co OK, do a look-up for Hendrix's in one or both of them? I'm looking for the family of Bonny Dressler Hendrix family, son of Robert Charles Jefferson Hendrix and Melinda Ozella Stroud, who is believed to be buried in ukn Fort Smith AR area. Also looking for a Frank and Sarah Hendrix- McKinnis, they were b abt 1850 in AL. Does anyone have a list of those buried there and would share the info. Thanks, Pat Stewart

Hello, Could someone advise how to go about obtaining obituaries for my grandparents. They are buried in the Morris Cemetery and lived for many years in an area of Okmulgee County know as Bald Hill. Their names and date of death are as follows: Name: Grover EDGAR Died: February 04, 1967 Name: Florence Alice Cole EDGAR Died: July 24, 1951 Thanks for any assistance anyone on this list might be able to give me on this matter. Roy L. Edgar ftscott@ameritech.net

One Crimson Petticoat: Female Lines and Real Lives - Part 3 -- Yvonne P. Divak --------------------------- Another source of information is the obituary. There is an old saying that a lady's name appeared in the public newspaper only twice: once when she married and once when she died. This saying applied to most of the women of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. Some women did not make it even then. In order to use effectively an obituary, you have to know the death date of you subject or, at least, the year in which she died. If her husband was famous, her name can usually be located in newspapers other than those of her hometown. An example is Maria Ketchum Walworth (1795-1847). Her husband, Reuben H. Walworth (1788-1867), was the last chancellor of New York State. Mrs. Walworth died in Saratoga Springs, New York; however, this short obituary appeared in the New York "Municipal Gazette," 30 June 1847: Departed this life at Saratoga Springs, on the 24th of April, Mrs. Maria Ketchum, wife of Chancellor Walworth, aged 51. Upon her dying bed she bore the most decided testimony of the truth of the Christians' hope; her Saviour sustained her, and her end was peace. But, you might argue, and with some reason, this obituary does not really say anything at all. Take a closer look. Mrs. Walworth was a lady. A true lady of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries had no career--no life, actually, outside of her home and family. This obituary, besides giving us Mrs. Walworth's maiden name, death date, place of death, age at death, husband's name, and occupation, also tells us that she was religious, and that she sought to teach those around her at the end the "right" way to die--just as a proper wife and mother was supposed to. Unfortunately, if you are searching for a poor woman or for one who is Native American or Black, your chances of finding an obituary are very slim. This also tells us something of the culture and environment in which these women lived. If a white, wealthy, woman was "invisible" to the public, save on very special occasions such as marriage and death, the poor, the Black, and the Native American never appeared at all. These women are the hardest to locate. If your male subject owned property and died before his wife, you might try the dower records. A dower gave the widow a lifetime right to one-third of her husband's property, which, you might recall, may have belonged to her in the first place. When Gideon Putnam of Saratoga Springs, New York, died in 1812 from pneumonia at the age of forty-nine, he left a widow and nine children, ranging in ages from twenty-six to four-and-a-half years. He also left a substantial amount of real estate in and about Saratoga, which included a large house and two hotels or taverns. His wife, Doanda, sold the newer hotel, but kept the old Putnam Tavern as her dower right. For years, she and her sons conducted a very profitable business at what later became on of the most popular hotels in the United States. All right, you have tried just about everything: census records, wills, church records; obituaries--everything. But your subject was not rich, and she did not come from New England. In fact, she was a black slave who lived on some plantation in southern Georgia sometime between the Revolution and the Civil War. Give up? Of course not. First, learn all you can about the state of Georgia. From where did these planters import their slaves? The foreign slave trade was prohibited by the U.S. Constitution in 1807; but it was done secretly right up to the beginning of the Civil War. Many Georgia planters obtained their new slaves from Virginia, which served as a "breeding ground" for the rest of the South. Learn about these plantations. How large were they? What kind of crops did they raise? What was the general treatment of slaves? You may never actually locate your ancestor or subject; however, you will gain an insight into the type of life that she led. And do not discount your relatives. Very often, stories handed down from one generation to another, those legends that an older relative tells you, probably have kernels of truth hidden in them--clues that may lead you directly to your own ancestor. Remember, that is how Alex Haley got started. ================================================= One Crimson Petticoat: Female Lines and Real Lives, Part 4 – Yvonne P. Divak - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Eat the foods that your subject may have eaten. Listen to the stories told in the language that she spoke. Sing the songs that she sang. Did she speak the lilting English one finds in the King James Bible? Or did she speak Gaelic, or German, or Italian, or Oglala Sioux? Did she live on the Great Plains or in Boston? Was she a "lady" who hired other people to work for her, or did she labor on a farm, or in a cotton mill, or on a plantation? Did she live to be one hundred, or did she die at thirty? Names are important. Our names separate us from other people. My name is a part of who I am. But do not forget your subject's "spirit." After all, if she is your ancestor, a part of her still lives within you. Try to see her life as she would have seen it. If your female ancestor was a pioneer in the early American wilderness, think about what this must have meant to her: To be left alone, surrounded by the darkness and wild animals, with only a candle to offer light and only a fragile log cabin to keep her safe from the dangers without. Often these women were left alone for days at a time as their husbands went hunting or off to war. The movie, "Drums Along the Mohawk," gives an excellent portrayal of the growth of a pioneer woman--from a dependent, frightened girl to a seasoned woman, filled with quiet strength and determination. Could she have been your ancestor? If you can find you female ancestor's full name, congratulations. You are one of the lucky ones. You can now go back or forward to another generation. But if you cannot find her full name; if you cannot find much, or any, information about her, don't despair. Think of this name as a real person, and try to put yourself into her situation--a reversal of genes, if you will. A short time ago, I came across the inventory of one Mary McDonald, who died about 1824 or early 1825 in the town of Ballston, Saratoga County, New York. I have no idea how old she was or what she looked like. I think she was married to Michael McDonald, an early pioneer of the area who died about two years prior to her own death. But I am not certain. Her inventory was finished in April of 1825 and contained three, neatly written pages of articles that she had owned, debts she had owed, and money owed to her. She does not seem to have been a poor woman. I recall reading down the lists of "Personal Property" in a casual way--I have read hundreds of these things, and usually they are rather dry. "One Beadstead [sic] and Chord. Two old Callico [sic] Quilts." Yes, yes, I thought. Nothing new here. "2 Flannel Shirts. 1 Red and Blew [sic] Plaid Gown. 1 Crimson Petticoat . . ." Whoa! The nameless subject that had appeared to me in shades of pedestrian grey, suddenly took on a new personality. It seems that Mrs. Mary McDonald also owned "1 Scarlet Cloak." Did she wear the cloak when she wore her crimson petticoat? Did her eyes twinkle when she walked down the street? Did she deliberately lift her skirts, just a little, in order to show off her bright undergarment? Ah, Mary, I wish I could have known you better. I wish I could have met you. Despite legal opinion, despite lingering beliefs, the women of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries were not nameless, faceless, invisible shadows. They were people with real fears and real loves, with real lives. And, as you can see, some of them did sparkle. ==============================================

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=458 Surname: LEWIS, MORTIMER, MOUNT, SISMONDO, McLAUGHLIN ------------------------- In case it helps, Thomas LEWIS was born about 1873, if his age on his marriage license to Christina MORTIMER is accurate. He would have been about 36 when he was killed in the mines in Okmulgee Co. Also, we have a postcard photograph of a very attractive young woman, on the back of which is written Mrs. Jessie LEWIS, Saltillo, OHIO. It may be Thomas' sister? Sister-in-law?

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=456 Surname: PELL, MOREY, HOFFMAN, MOUNT, SISMONDO, McLAUGHLIN ------------------------- Has anyone heard of Bartlett Cemetery which is east of Dewar in Okmulgee Co. and close to the Deep Fork River? I just received word of it from the Henryetta Library. They were responding to my query about a Deep Fork Cemetery at Dewar, by saying they'd just heard about a cemetery new to them, Bartlett Cemetery. Perhaps someone has family there and can tell us something about its history. Thanks.

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=454 Surname: MORTIMER, MOUNT, HOFFMAN, SISMONDO, McLAUGHLIN ------------------------- Earnest, I've enjoyed your posts regarding the Henryetta area in Okmulgee Co. I know LEWIS is a common name. Do you know if by chance a Thomas Lewis aka Tommy Lewis was related to your grandfather, William? My grandmother, Christina MORTIMER, married Thomas Lewis in 1904, a few months after arriving in Henryetta as a widow with a 5 year old child, Catherine aka Katie. I found an obit for Tommy LEWIS in the Henryetta Free Lance in Nov. 1909. He was badly injured when his mule forced him between a coal car, if I recall correctly. The obit said he left a widow and children, but I've never known of any other children. I found his unmarked grave at West Lawn Cemetery a few weeks ago on a visit to OK. I'd be very interested if anyone knows any more about him or his famiy (his roots, etc). Thanks.

Thanks for posting these articles--how fascinating! Patti Jobe > Hello all, > > As genealogists, Mother's Day also means we focus on our Maternal Lines...8-)

Hello all, As genealogists, Mother's Day also means we focus on our Maternal Lines...8-) Many years ago, an elderly lady told me that the only real challenge left to those who have been doing this a while is to trace the Mothers...and their Mothers...and...you get the picture! To honor the memory of all the women whose strength and love and dedication nurtured the families we research, I'm going to send you three posts over the next three days that will give some new insights into tracing our Maternal Lines. Each post will contain two of a series of articles from the newsletter put out by the Ancestry.com folks. Hope you enjoy them! LaRae OKMULGEE COUNTY listmgr. ------------- One Crimson Petticoat: Female Lines and Real Lives - Part 1 – Yvonne P. Divak _____________________ Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. ----- Proverbs 31:31 Ranluff Glanville, chief justiciar in 1180, under King Henry II of England, is supposed to have written " . . . legally a woman is completely in the power of her husband . . . and his wife is bound to consent to this as to all other acts of his which do not offend against God . . . " If you think that American women have progressed well beyond this belief, think again. Not too long ago, I stood in a beautiful little cemetery in the town of Broadalbin, Fulton County, New York, copying interesting tombstones. A woman drove up, parked her car a few feet from me, and emerged with a pot of fresh, red geraniums in her hand. She very carefully proceeded down a long row of ancient tombstones, some of which were so weathered that it was impossible to read them. Halting before one near the end of the row, she paused, then placed her offering at the base of the stone. "My great-great-great grandfather," the woman told me proudly. "He was in the Revolution." "Really?" was my sage reply. The woman continued to gaze reverently at the ancient stone for a few more minutes, then entered her car and drove away. Somewhat later, as I admired the flowers, it occurred to me that the woman had neglected to place any flowers at the base of her great-great-great grandmother's grave, which was to the right of the man's. Born in 1756, this woman too had lived during the American Revolution. Though she hadn't carried a musket or fired a cannon, perhaps she had made bandages for the wounded, or perhaps, as many women did, she made sure that the crops were harvested and that the stock was fed while her husband was off fighting the British. Perhaps she had lived at the very edge of eighteenth-century civilization and had had to look constantly over her shoulder for hostile Indians. Was she not a veteran too? Unfortunately, no one seemed to be heeding the brief motto at the base of her tombstone: "When this you see remember me." Nothing in American history seems so ethereal as the married woman of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and early nineteenth centuries. She literally disappears before your eyes into lists of "married women under 45," or she is named only as the "wife of . . . ." How many times have you searched cemeteries for the distaff side of your heritage, only to find a gravestone such as this one? Hannah Wife of Pilgrim Durkee Died Nov. 9 1841, In the 68 Year Of her age. Ah, Hannah! Where did you come from? What was your name before you married Mr. Durkee? Where were you born? At least the above stone does give you a clue as to the year in which she was born. Some stones of married women do not even do that. The main problem here is that when Hannah Whatever-Her-Maiden-Name-Was married Pilgrim Durkee, she became Hannah Durkee, and as far as the legal system of her time was concerned, she no longer existed. She could not sell any property she may have inherited from her father. That property now belonged to her husband to do with as he pleased. A married woman could not even sign a legal contract. When the great novelist Harriet Beecher Stowe was ready to publish her masterpiece, "Uncle Tom's Cabin," in 1853, her husband had to sign the contract with the publishers for her. Mrs. Stowe was forty-two years old at the time and the mother of six living children. But the law considered her to be invisible. So how can genealogists locate someone who is "invisible?" It is not easy. But it is not impossible. I have seen many researchers give up because they cannot locate a great-great-great grandmother's maiden name. The following article lists a few methods that I have tried over the years in search of the elusive American married female. The methods have not always been successful. Sometimes, I have run into stone walls. But, sometimes the methods do work. The important thing to remember here is not to give up. She is your ancestor too; and if she had given up, you would not be here today. =========================================== One Crimson Petticoat: Female Lines and Real Lives - Part 2 – Yvonne P. Divak __________________ According to "History of Saratoga County," by Nathaniel B. Sylvester, published in 1876, Seth Sadler was one of the first white settlers of present-day Saratoga Springs, New York, coming to the area after the close of the Revolution. In fact, the first burying ground in Saratoga Springs was on his land. Though later information indicates that Mr. Sadler fathered several children, no mention of Mrs. Sadler was made by Sylvester. This deliberate omission was quite common in the nineteenth-century histories--the invisible factor at work again. The 1820 federal census listed an Olive Sadler as a widow, living in Saratoga Springs. Were Seth and Olive married at one time? Were they even related? No wills, inventories, or dowers' rights existed--all of which, by the way, can be excellent sources. This was clearly a puzzle. Looking for something else one day, I came across a short article that stated that a William Sadler was "descended from Revolutionary War veterans." No one that I can recall had ever mentioned that Seth Sadler was a Revolutionary War veteran. However, he was a mature adult in the 1780s as was Olive Sadler. It was certainly worth looking into. The Daughters of the American Revolution have published literally hundreds of volumes concerning the veterans of the Revolutionary War, cemetery records, Bible records, pension records, and short biographies of veterans including their military service, their wives' names, and sometimes, lists of other family members. I looked, and not only did I find that Olive was indeed Seth's wife, but that her maiden name was Battle, that she and Seth had married in 1774, and that Olive had died in 1823. (Seth's death date was unknown, but he had preceded Olive by at least three years.) Even if you doubt that your male subject was a veteran of the Revolution--even if you have never heard of any service--give it a try. Even a brief stint in the local militia qualifies as military service. You might find him listed in among the veterans and his wife right beside him. Clues that are too often overlooked are the names of children. Ellen Hardin (1832-1915) of Illinois and Kentucky, married Mansfield Walworth (1830-1873), of Saratoga Springs, in 1852. Of their eight children, three were given the middle name of Hardin. And their second son, John Hardin Walworth (1855-1862), bore the name of Ellen's father, John Hardin, who was killed in the Mexican War. This was also true for Doanda Risley Putnam (1768-1835), the wife of Gideon Putnam (1763-1812), another early settler of Saratoga Springs. She named her eldest son, Benjamin Risley Putnam (1788-1846), after her father. Risley became a popular name in the Putnam family and was used for several generations. Is there a name in your family that seems to have been handed down from the beginning of time? A name that no one can recall the origin? Perhaps, it is the maiden name of your long lost female ancestor. Cemeteries can also be valuable sources. Granted, one finds far too many, "Mary, wife of . . . " tombstones; but, occasionally, gold is struck. Remember poor Hannah, wife of Pilgrim Durkee? Well, not far away from her tombstone is the following: In memory Eliza wife of George Finch and Daughter of Pilgrim & Hannah Durkee who Departed this life Feb. 6, 1831 in the 31 Year Of her age With this stone we have the subject's maiden name as well as her married name. As an added bonus, we have the names of both of her parents, so there can be no mistake when a search is made of her life history. The Scots-Irish, who settled the northern parts of Saratoga and Fulton (New York) counties just prior to the American Revolution, often included the maiden name of a married woman in the following fashion: In Memory of MARGRET KIER Wife of Patrick Rob Who departed this life July 28, 1832, in The 82 Year of her Age. She was a native Of Perthshire Scotland The above stone, located in a Perth (Fulton County), New York, cemetery is a great help, in that it provides very important information about this woman: her maiden name, her married name, the date of her death, her age at death, and her birthplace. Armed with all of this data, along with the fact, or at least the strong implication, that she died in or near Perth, New York, you cannot help but find something about her in a local obituary, will, or article. Mrs. Margret Kier Rob is no longer invisible. Here is another slightly different tombstone located in Greenridge Cemetery, Saratoga Springs, New York: Temperance Kempton Mother of Phebe Patten. Died: Jan. 10, 1853 Aged: 79 Years. >From this stone, we receive some "roundabout" information. Phebe Patten was originally Phebe Kempton, unless, and watch out for this one, her mother had married again after Phebe's birth. Second and third marriages can be real headaches for any genealogist. The term "tied in knots" comes to mind. All I can suggest for anyone caught in this situation is to move very slowly. --------------

We were at the cemetery last week and found two of the workers there. They were very knowledgeable about locations of graves and we found the ones we were looking for with their help. Carole

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=453 Surname: moore ------------------------- thanks for the info on henryetta mines in okmulgee county.this info will be vital to my famly history. thanks again art moore

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=452 Surname: Eubanks ------------------------- I was born and raised in Henryetta, Okmulgee County, Okla. Even went back to teach there in 1952-53. The only Eubanks family I ever heard of was my uncle and aunt. Floyd Thomas Eubanks m. Catherine Lewis c. 1934. Only one living child, Joyce Marie Eubanks Poivre. Aunt Catherine is still alive and lives with Joyce and her family in Burkburnett, Texas. Floyd died about 2 years ago at age 88. His father was Thomas Eubanks. Hope this helps....

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=451 Surname: Campbell ------------------------- Faye; I have an entire segment of my Campbell side of the family. We were connected when my Great Aunt Susie May Lillian Hastings married Newton Campbell in Wetumpka c. 1920. I know I have a photo of the wedding. If you recognize anything here let me know. We were all from the Henryetta, Okmulgee County, area. Good Luck!! And, I had a rather 'wild' Aunt Faye, but I think she was a Stone.

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=450 Surname: Moore ------------------------- I was born and raised in Henryetta (wOkmulgee County) and later (1952-53) went back to teach at the Jr. High. Nearly all of my male relatives worked in the mines. My Grandfather, William Lewis (1885-1966) was the Foreman at Steckleberg's Atlas Coal Co. from 1922 to 1955. I remember 3 mines. The Blackstone, Atlas Coal, and The Star. All were about 3 miles apart and only a couple of hundred yards east of the highway to Okmulgee, and north of Henryetta. My uncle Charles Sizemore was the foreman at The Star Mine during the same period. All of these mines closed because during WWII they sold their coal to Canadian buyers. American buyers boycotted them after the war. My Father was the electrician at Atlas from c.1929 to 1943 when he went into Navy. He never went back. I knew two or three Moore families prior to the War, but can't seem to connect names at this time. Good luck!!

You're welcome! Hey, those kind of 'hunting' trips are fun for me.........congrats on finding out some info you had been needing. Good luck. Patti Jobe > Thanks so much for your EXTREMELY kind and generous offer, but I wouldn't > dream of sending you on a trek that long!! I have hopefully solved the > problem, but someday DO hope to have pictures of the graves. I am told now > that I have living "cousins" in Henryetta, so I am hoping that they may have > the time and/or inclination to get pics for me! There aren't many like you!! > > God bless you! > Tracy

Thanks so much for your EXTREMELY kind and generous offer, but I wouldn't dream of sending you on a trek that long!! I have hopefully solved the problem, but someday DO hope to have pictures of the graves. I am told now that I have living "cousins" in Henryetta, so I am hoping that they may have the time and/or inclination to get pics for me! There aren't many like you!! God bless you! Tracy

Tracy, I was just at West Lawn cemetery a few weeks ago. It's huge. Anyone looking for a grave needs to know where it is. Donna at the City Hall in Henryetta is the person I contacted. Her fax is: 918.652.8816. I don't have the phone number but you can get it from Norene Fry at Chamber of Commerce: 918.652.3331. Donna is busy doing water bills there, and so she can't do this quickly, but she will look up the grave location for you. You or whoever gets to Henryetta for you can then show that to the cemetery sexton at West Lawn. My other suggestion is that you email Ruby Wesson at Henryetta Library: rubyw@ocevnet.org. They have a grave index of the cemetery, as well as an obituary index for the Henryetta newspaper for the dates you mentioned. If they find your family, they will photocopy the obits and mail them to you for the fee of $1 per page. It's well worth it. Good luck! Ginger >Does anyone have access to this Cemetery (physically!) or via book??? >Looking for George Washington (or W.) RADEBAUGH, who died in 1929, and his >wife Valinda K. Radebaugh, who died November 1917. I would be happy to >compensate someone to get a couple of snapshots of their graves, but even >just a transcription of the info on the markers would be VERY MUCH >APPRECIATED!! > >HOPING FOR HELP!!!! THANKS -- >Tracy in Washington State >

Posted on: Okmulgee Co. Ok Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Okmulgee?read=449 Surname: ------------------------- In 1952 I was teaching at Henryetta Jr. High School. One of my loudest students was Georgeann Radebaugh. I left the state to become a Highway Patrolman in California. She may have had a hand in my decision!! While visiting in Okla. City a few years ago I was told she was divorced with 3 daughters and living in Edmond. Her closest friend and the one who organizes their "reunions" is Peggy Richardson, RR #2, Box 296 D, Henryetta, 74437......918-466-3578...Hope this helps...I was born and raised in Henryetta.

WWoooooHooooo!! Pay Dirt! I will do that! I SURE APPRECIATE the kindness from this list - I have been looking for 15+ years for some of these people and I was starting to get really frustrated. THANK YOU TO ALL!!!!!!! Tracy