This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YaB.2ACI/1467 Message Board Post: Sorry, I got in a hurry. MOSES was born in Pennsyvania, BELLE was born in Illinois, ED was born in Oklahoma, I'm not sure if they all were. I only know they lived in Pottawatomie Co. in Okla. on the 1900 and 1910 census. Janet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1466.1 Message Board Post: Where was she living in the 1900 census? Where was she born? Where was he born? Where were the kids born? More details would be especially helpful.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YaB.2ACI/1466 Message Board Post: Can anyone help me with my search on MOSES WHEELER b. 1834 and his wife BELLE (I'm not sure of her maiden name) b. 1854. Her maided name is listed as BREWER in the bible, but I don't have any verification yet that proves it. I am trying to find parents and siblings for both. Also, their children. In the 1900 census it is listed that she had 5 living children. I only know of ED b. 1890, DOLLY b. 1884, and RAY age unknown so far.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YaB.2ACI/1450.2 Message Board Post: There is also a Ralph Downey, Jr. that died in Bethany, Oklahoma, November 22, 1996 and also a Ralph Downey who died in Tuttle, Oklahoma in April of 1974.

thank you so much some directions I had not thought of. I just lost one of my sons so it will be awhile before I am able to function again but wanted to let you know I received your reply to my Lizzie query. Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williamson, Lindsey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1458.2.1 Message Board Post: Mark, thank you very much!

What a sad but interesting and challenging story, Carol! I hope you're able to find more information on Mary Elizabeth Isaacs through this posting. I wondered if you had checked the court documents where her sons were likely charged, maybe dismissed, for the killing of Mr. Sparks. There may be something in those documents that would give you a clue. If you know the county in which they were living when Mr. Sparks was killed, it may list witnesses, county officers, judges, etc. The court transcript and other records making the charge against Mr. Sparks should be available for you to read even if it's on microfiche. Have you found where Mr. Sparks is buried? His obituary or funeral service records may give you a clue. I've found that funeral home records are a good resource on family information. A public library that has a good geneology research system may help you find Mr. Sparks' DOB, DOD and even similar information on each of Ms. Isaac's sons. The court transcript would be a good resource if you know what county the charges were filed against her sons. It should be the county where the incident occurred. I don't believe that Social Security Numbers were assigned until the 1930's so that information would not be available. However, birth and death records were usually maintained by the Bureau of Vital Statistics Division of Public Records for each state. If you know the state these people were born in, that may be a resource, too. Funeral service records for her sons (likely deceased since they were probably born in 1880-1890 time period since Mary was born in 1867) may contain information that could lead to the information you're looking for. Mr. Sparks' decendents may have helpful information, too, in their family history. I wonder if the town of Sparks, Oklahoma was named after Mr. Sparks' ancestors. Historical data about the founding of Sparks, OK may give you some clues, too! County historical records should have good information on the founding of the town of Sparks. I wonder if any of these people were of Indian decent? If so, tribal records may give you a clue, too! Carol, I wish you luck in your research. Keep us posted on your successes. Levonne >From: "carol morse" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [OKCo.] Re: Obituary lookup for Mary E. "Lizzie" Isaacs >Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:31:18 -0700 > >According to family lore, Mary Elizabeth "Lizzie" Ellis Byrne Isaacs was >shot and killed by a Thomas N. Sparks. The death date of Lizzie Isaacs was >listed in family Bible as January 4, 1916. The 1910 census has Lizzie >Isaacs living in Clinton, Custer Co., with 2 youngest sons, Richard and Roy >Isaacs. I have found nothing since that date. She was born 21 April 1867 >in Tishomingo Co., Miss. Her 2 sons, no date available, later shot and >killed Thomas N. Sparks as he was being led to jail or courthouse for the >murder of their mother. I would greatly appreciate any help on this as >I've >been searching for her grave for many, many years. > > >==== OKOKLAHO Mailing List ==== >Oklahoma Vital Records Information - >http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html >

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I received the copy. Thank you so much. Carolyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1450.1.1.1 Message Board Post: ..Carolyn, I have sent you a copy of the death notice from the newspaper. Let me know if you do not get it... :-)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1449.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: ..Wanda, I already sent these articles to you. Please let me know if you do not get them... :-)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/141.196.1 Message Board Post: I'll take a look through my records.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: finley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/141.196 Message Board Post: Iam looking for info on joseph finley born 9/2/1918 died in harrah oklh 12/75 cant find any family at all.would appreciate any help

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1458.2 Message Board Post: from the Oklahoma City Times, Saturday, 3 Oct 1936: "WILLIAMSON - Mrs. Elsie, 3414 NW 16. Survived by her husband John H. Williamson, two daughters, Beulah Lou and Birdie May; three sons, James Henry, John Layman, and Charles Henry Williamson. Funeral arrangements announced later by Watts and McAfee." This was a paid ad in the Classifieds section. I get the impression that the funeral homes placed these as part of their package. RAOGK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Culie, Thornton, Doty, Barclay, Minshall, Little Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1460.2 Message Board Post: from the Stillwater News-Press, Stillwater, Payne Co, OK, Wednesday, 10 Jun 1998, pA2: "Nina Orelle Culie - Nina Orelle Culie, 92, was a nurse and homemaker who lived in Tryon most of her life and enjoyed art, gardening and flowers. She died Monday, June 8, 1998, at the Golden Age Nursing Home in Guthrie. Funeral services are planned for 2 p.m. Thursday, June 11, at the Tryon Christian Union Church with the Rev. Ted Gibson officiating. Interment will follow at Tryon Cemetery. Services are under the direction of Strode Funeral Home. She was born in Tryon on March 26, 1906, to Joseph Jordan and Adelphis Orella (Doty) Thornton. She was married to Homer G. Culie Oct. 14, 1940, in Tryon. She attended Tryon High School, graduating in 1924. She later attended nurses training and worked as a nurse for over 20 years. She was a member of the Tryon Christian Union Church and the Stillwater Art Guild. She is survived by a sister, Wanda Iona Barclay of Tryon; and two nieces, Melba Minshall and her husband Hershel of Oklahoma City, and Nina Little of Tryon. She was preceded in death by her parents, her husband, and one sister, Nona Doty Thornton. Memorials may be made to the Tryon Union Church, Rt. 2, Box 28, Tryon, Okla. 74875." RAOGK

> I thought I sent this last week but the storms wiped out my email items and > I don't know if it went thru. Added note: if obit for Lizzie is not > found, could someone please, please look for Roy and or Richard Isaacs in OKC in 1920 > and/or 1930 census? They may have buried their mother in Oklahoma City as I know her sons were living there by 1920. > > According to family lore, Mary Elizabeth "Lizzie" Ellis Byrne Isaacs was > > shot and killed by a Thomas N. Sparks (because she burned down his barn > after catching him in bed with another woman). The death date of Lizzie > Isaacs was > > listed in family Bible as January 4, 1916 with no other information. The 1910 census has Lizzie > > Isaacs living in Clinton, Custer Co., with 2 youngest sons, Richard and > Roy > > Isaacs. I have found nothing since that date. She was born 21 April 1867 > > in Tishomingo Co., Miss. Her 2 sons, no date available, later shot and > > killed Thomas N. Sparks as he was being led to jail or courthouse for the > > murder of their mother. I would greatly appreciate any help on this as > I've > > been searching for her grave for many, many years. > > Carol in Gene Autry

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1465.1 Message Board Post: from the Daily Oklahoman, Oklahoma City, Tuesday, 5 Jan 1965, p27: "CITY LANDMARK COMING DOWN - A venerable chunk of Oklahoma City history is disappearing under the wrecking hammers at 21 S. Robinson. The old Rasbach Hotel is coming down. Only its vault door and the time-burnished bricks to be used in other local construction will remain as vestiges of a building once used as the county courthouse. Owner Gwynne Laughlin, 813 NW 41, said Monday the building will give way for the present to a parking lot. Future use of the site has not been determined. A contract held by Sooner Demolition Co., El Reno, calls for razing the Rasbach within 80 days, "but at the rate they're going, it will be sooner," Laughlin said. The gallant old building was constructed by the late C.E. Russell soon after the turn of the century, when carriages still rolled through the dust and mud past the Robinson and California intersection. The late H.L. Rasbach leased part of the three-story structure for a hotel. Rapidly becoming a gathering place for county politicos and lobby observers of the political goings-on, the building officially became the county seat in 1902. Yellowing news files show it served courthouse purposes until 1905, when a $100,000 bond-financed building - our "next-to-last" courthouse - was completed at the present site of a W. Main motor hotel. The late Dr. J.B. Rolater, pioneer city surgeon, bought the structure in 1910, and maintained offices there. Laughlin said Dr. Rolater housed his Model T in a ground floor area that most recently had been a liquor store. Dr. Rolater's will provided that his properties could be sold 21 years after his death. Mr. and Mrs. Laughlin bought the Rasbach and its three lots as an investment when the 21 years expired in 1953. The hotel's 60 rooms were fully occupied when notices to vacate were served last October, Laughlin said. Also leased there were the liquor store, a pioneer pharmacy, a tavern, a printing company, a barber college and grocery store. Demolition brings vivid boyhood memories back to Ernest J. Bartels, whose father once operated a bakery in the building. By coincidence, Bartels had been in charge of maintenance for Laughlin's properties for 10?? years. The concrete vault that once housed county records will vanish in the wreckage. But Laughlin said he has reserved ownership of its massive steel door for use in another building. And numerous contractors have expressed interest in the weathered bricks, assuming that bits of the onetime courthouse will remain, to shelter other people in other places." RAOGK

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Martin, Brewster, Landers, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YaB.2ACI/1465 Message Board Post: Does anyone know anything about this Hotel. It was in the downtown Oklahoma City area around 1928? Was it a rooming house?