Dear Sue, Thanks for the explanation--needed it. Wanda

Appreciate all the great help concerning the census in Indian Territory. Penny Peace found my Thompsons still in MO in 1880. They had removed to OK Indian Territory by 1883 because James Wyman Thompson, son to Alexander and Martha is reported to have been born at Ft. Gibson Indian Territory 1883. What type records were there for the next census year which would have been 1890 for the Indian Territory? James Wyman was grandfather to my husband. Would like to place him on record somewhere with Alexander and Martha. Again, much thanks to everyone. Faye Heffington

In a message dated 1/3/03 3:10:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, Trixieboots@aol.com writes: > Can you direct me to the census you are speaking of...thank you. > I was recently in Salt Lake City and looking for a census substitute for that time period. There is a Cherokee census....and quite a few others on the Family History Library Catalog. You can search that at <A HREF="www.familysearch.org">www.familysearch.org</A> Here's the one I was thinking about...As I recall non-Indians were listed as well. I believe Sequoyah may have been the precursor to Muskogee Co. Michele Title Cherokee census rolls, 1880 Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">Cherokee Nation</A> (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original records in Tahlequah, Oklahoma.Includes transcripts of the Cherokee Nation 1880 census covering the Canadian, Cooweescoowee, Delaware, Flint, Going Snake, Illinois, Saline, Sequoyah and Tahlequah districts. Also includes census rolls of various years of Delaware Indians holding citizenship in the Cherokee Nation. Subjects <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">Oklahoma - Native races</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">Oklahoma - Census - 1880</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">Cherokee Indians - Oklahoma - Census, 1880</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">Delaware Indians - Oklahoma - Census, 1880</A> Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1976 Physical 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. References (Indexed In) <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">1880 Cherokee Nation census, Indian Territory (Oklahoma)</A> (See Also) <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/parent.parent.LoadPage2(">1880 Cherokee Nation census, Indian Territory (Oklahoma)</A>

Hello again Jimmy! Good to hear from you! My Muskogee County Genealogy and History website is offline right now due to a server crash. A new one is being purchased but it will probably not be up and running before the middle of this month. I sure hope it will be soon as I have alot of new things to add. I'll let you know when the website is back online. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim W Curtis" <mrcurtis1@juno.com> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] Re: Census Hi Sue, How is the web site going? If you have time, please send me the link again...I've built another computer and don't have the link on this one... Thanks, Jimmy Wayne Curtis ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Sue, How is the web site going? If you have time, please send me the link again...I've built another computer and don't have the link on this one... Thanks, Jimmy Wayne Curtis

The City of Muskogee and a good portion of what is now Muskogee County was in the Creek Nation, not the Cherokee Nation. The portion of Muskogee County that was Cherokee Nation was in the Candian District. The Cherokee Census of 1880 has information that varies among the schedules but generally includes the individual's name, nativity, occupation, age, sex, agricultural information, and is cross-referenced to the Dawes Roll. Schedule 1-includes Cherokee Citizens, including Native, Adopted White, Shawnees, Delawares and Freedmen. Schedule 2-Orpahns Schedule 3-Rejected Claimants Schedule 4-Individuals whose claims to citizenship were pending Schedule 5-Intruders Schedule 6-Individuals living in the Cherokee Nation under permit Sue Tolbert, Muskogee

Your people are prob in Indian Territory as whites with permits or white intruders and there are film for that.

Sue where can I get a copy of Schedules 5 and 6? Does this also hold true for the 1890 Indian Territory Census? Thank you for your help. Ms. Cecil V. Boyd At 10:05 PM 1/3/2003 -0600, you wrote: >The City of Muskogee and a good portion of what is now Muskogee County was >in the Creek Nation, not the Cherokee Nation. >The portion of Muskogee County that was Cherokee Nation was in the Candian >District. > >The Cherokee Census of 1880 has information that varies among the schedules >but generally includes the individual's name, nativity, occupation, age, >sex, agricultural information, and is cross-referenced to the Dawes Roll. > >Schedule 1-includes Cherokee Citizens, including Native, Adopted White, >Shawnees, Delawares and Freedmen. >Schedule 2-Orpahns >Schedule 3-Rejected Claimants >Schedule 4-Individuals whose claims to citizenship were pending >Schedule 5-Intruders >Schedule 6-Individuals living in the Cherokee Nation under permit > >Sue Tolbert, Muskogee > > > >==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political >announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, >etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. >Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >kathleenburnett@earthlink.net >Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer >Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My computer has been down all day, so I am sure that I missed a posting or two. Who are you looking for in Muskogee County? Even though I do not live there, I have lots of family from there, and I have done quite a lot of research in Muskogee County. I also have three wonderful books, Dawes Roll Plus, and Cherokee Roots Vols 1 & 2. I also belong to Ancestry.Com and I have the Online Census Records. If I can be of any help, please feel free to let me know. I will be more than happy to help with any lookups that I can. Wishing Everyone a Happy New Year, Joyce Spears - Wafford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Tolbert" <tolbert6@cox.net> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:05 PM Subject: [OKMUSKOG] Re: Census > The City of Muskogee and a good portion of what is now Muskogee County was > in the Creek Nation, not the Cherokee Nation. > The portion of Muskogee County that was Cherokee Nation was in the Candian > District. > > The Cherokee Census of 1880 has information that varies among the schedules > but generally includes the individual's name, nativity, occupation, age, > sex, agricultural information, and is cross-referenced to the Dawes Roll. > > Schedule 1-includes Cherokee Citizens, including Native, Adopted White, > Shawnees, Delawares and Freedmen. > Schedule 2-Orpahns > Schedule 3-Rejected Claimants > Schedule 4-Individuals whose claims to citizenship were pending > Schedule 5-Intruders > Schedule 6-Individuals living in the Cherokee Nation under permit > > Sue Tolbert, Muskogee > > > > ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks for looking George. Alexander W. and Martha Thompson had migrated from MO I am assuming because son William E. was born in MO in 1880 and then my husband's grandfather James Wyman Thompson was born in Ft. Gibson, August of 1883....I couldn't find them in MO in 1880 so was trying OK. Appreciate your help. Faye

Michele, Can you direct me to the census you are speaking of...thank you. Faye

In a message dated 1/3/03 2:19:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, Cheryltravis@aol.com writes: > >Am looking for Alexander W. Thompson and wife Martha possibly on the 1880 > or > > > >later census this county. Are there any links with census for the county > >when it was Indian Territory? > Technically the 1880 census of the United States did not include Indian Territory and is not in the 1880 US Census Indexing by the LDS Church. However, there is a census for that time period. Michele

Faye; I checked the 1880 Cherokee Nation Census and the 1890, did not find your Thompsons' in either census. There are a lot of Thompsons' in these census. George Miller, Webbers Falls Historical Society. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Trixieboots@aol.com> To: <OKMUSKOG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [OKMUSKOG] census > Michele, > > Can you direct me to the census you are speaking of...thank you. > > Faye > > > ==== OKMUSKOG Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > Oklahoma Cemeteries Volunteer Website http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

have you tried the Morman Church site they have the 1880 census on line > Am looking for Alexander W. Thompson and wife Martha possibly on the 1880 or > > later census this county. Are there any links with census for the county > when it was Indian Territory? Cheryl Travis

Try the funeral home listed.........they have great info and usually as much if not more than the death certificate.............usually not the cause of death though.

Am looking for Alexander W. Thompson and wife Martha possibly on the 1880 or later census this county. Are there any links with census for the county when it was Indian Territory? Any help would be appreciated. Faye Heffington Littlefield, Texas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whisenhunt,Aldridge,Moore,Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zYB.2ACE/1840.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: My Gran-parents....Fenner T & Lena Whisenhunt,are buried in the groves cemetery.They are listed as F.T.Whisenhunt and next to him is Lena Whisenhunt.No dates but I know the dates.I also have pictures,that are old cuz they're wooden marker's(they were very poor)Thank-you for sharing this with me...if you'd like you can e-mail me dirrectly.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zYB.2ACE/1840.1.1.1 Message Board Post: She is buried at GROVES CEMETERY (McIntosh County, Oklahoma) http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmcinto/cemetery/Cemetery.htm#unnamed1 These are the people listed on the paper in Maggie Duncan/Stewart bible: Now this is a note on some people who was on a pc. of paper that was in a Bible that Maggie had. I believe she wrote these people down with dates for a reason. I also found these people in the GROVES CEMETERY (McIntosh County, Oklahoma) with the same dates.......so I think they had to be related some how or were just neighbors. I will be working on this! So if anyone has any info on this .......Please help me!!! Aldridge, America 4 May 1834 5 Oct 1916..........?????????? Duncan, Mary J. 12 Mar 1885 1909..........who is James Duncan first wife Duncan, (Infant) Duncan, (Infant) Groves, Susie 1880 4 Sep 1909 Groves, N. C 30 Dec 1882 11 May 1907 Groves, Eliza 1854 12 Aug 1904 Groves, Porum 3 Jul 1890 Dec 1890/ she wrote 1898...age 58 Hedricks, W. M. 1850 9 Jun 1908....she had Died June 9 1918 Wynn, Carl 2 Aug 1913 7 Sep 1913......she wrote no dates She has a Florance Wynn.....that I couldn't find in this cemetery listing. Groves, Byrd Jan 1907 Oct 1907....she had no date Groves, Mary 13 Apr 1909 1 Jun 1909.......she had no date She wrote of John & Lydia Groves Born Jan. 30, 1907.........April 13 1909.......I asume this is both their birth dates. Duncan, James (Age 51) 1884 14 May 1941.......she had the death date...and this was her brother James ? Duncan Johnson, Betsy ---- 15 Jan 1908....this is the wife of who adopted them. Groves, E C. 1849 31 Dec 1895.....she wrote I.G. Groves Died Dec 31, 1895 age 46 Samples, John Groves, Isaac 21 Feb 1910 13 May 1910 She also has a E& O.G. Born Feb 1910.......Died May 13, 1910 Groves, Emma 19 Aug 1876 16 May 1889 Vann, Katie (Age 75.-.-) ---- 20 Jan 1891 She also has a Nora Marie White........29 Coalidge Ave Maude 223 Union Watsonville John Samples Lois Williams On the 1890 Cherokee Nation Census Indian Territory (Oklahoma) Vol 1.........book page 24 It has Isaac, Eliza, Suyatah, James, Even, Susan and Ned Groves........living next door to them.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whisenhunt,Aldridge,Moore,Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/zYB.2ACE/1840.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank-you,I love your sites! I looked,I'm still looking.One whisenhunt name,Arval(wrong spelling,I'm sorry)she might be related to someone,I think I remember seeing it.Your Family is in the same area as mine.Thank-you I'll let you know.Good pictures,Too.

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