Hi Pat, I am printing this off so Issac can take it with him to see Si & Lillie. If for some reason they can"t help he can take it to Muskogee to George McIntosh. His wife"s father was a preacher at Big Arber Indian Church for years. don"t quote that there is a Little Arber also. ha! get that mixed up sometimes. Will get you an answer over the weekend. I am off Tues.-Thurs. next week. Have to work this weekend, would like to join the roll call, both of our family"s come from Eufaula.Have to find information for Pat also. Thanks, Ruthann Downum pmunroe <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Hi Ruthann, Thank you for your offer to help. I have tried to do this on my own but I guess I'm just way to stupid to handle the Creek language. Ok here is my problem > My gggrandfather was named Bill Davis a full blood Creek from Al. who died before Dawes enrollment so I know almost nothing about him . I would like to know if there is a Creek translation for his name if not then how would it have been written in Creek fashion. From what I could tell in reading about the Creek language it seems there would be no translation for the name but I just don't know . I do appreciate your offer of help. pmunroe@sbcglobal.net Pat Munroe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Issac Downum" To: Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Anyone familiar with Creek Language > My name is Ruthann Downum, my husband is Issac his mom full blood creek. Si & Lillie McIntoish is in there 80"s & live 3 blooks from us, Is there a question I can ask them Issac knows very little & him mom passes away last year.Ruthann Downum ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My Mcintosh names are Benson Prater Harrison Hoty DeVore Ward Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Daviss" <elainedaviss@yahoo.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:25 PM Subject: [OKMCINTO] New List Admin > Dear List Members, > > I would like to introduce myself. I am the new > Mailing List Admin. for the OKMCINTO mailing list. I > am looking forward to getting to know you as we share > the interesting history of our Oklahoma ancestors. > > Elaine Daviss > List Admin. > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear List Members, I would like to introduce myself. I am the new Mailing List Admin. for the OKMCINTO mailing list. I am looking forward to getting to know you as we share the interesting history of our Oklahoma ancestors. Elaine Daviss List Admin. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Welcome Elaine I'm also new, I'm the new Admin for OKMCINTOSH message board. We in the middle of a ROLL CALL with list of McIntosh county connections please join in. Pat Munroe Message Board Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Daviss" <elainedaviss@yahoo.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:25 PM Subject: [OKMCINTO] New List Admin > Dear List Members, > > I would like to introduce myself. I am the new > Mailing List Admin. for the OKMCINTO mailing list. I > am looking forward to getting to know you as we share > the interesting history of our Oklahoma ancestors. > > Elaine Daviss > List Admin. >

According to the Ft. Gibson Post newspaper (late 1890s) Choc Beer was allowed in Indian Territory because its alcohol content was low enough that it didn't fall within the ban on alcohol in the Territory. Wagoner had several Choc Beer "joints". The paper reported that the Indian Agent in the area was trying to have the "beer joints" closed down. Linda homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 ----- Original Message ----- From: <CYNDI1000@aol.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Old Time "Chock" Talk | | They may have been talking about choc beer here is a web site about Pete's | My parents use to go there and the Isle of Capri for Choc beer. It must have | been mild because it was the only time I heard of my Mom drinking beer. | _http://www.draughters.com/oklahoma_today/ot3.html_ | (http://www.draughters.com/oklahoma_today/ot3.html) | OKLAHOMA’S HISTORY AS A DRY state may date to statehood in 1907, but the | history of one Oklahoma beer is equally long. Choc beer is believed to be the | product Choctaws teaching immigrant Italians to brew beer (hence the name), but | no one knows for certain. What everyone does agree upon is that from 1925 to | 1981, choc beer was faithfully, enthusiastically, and illegally served at | Pete’s Place in Krebs, save for an occasionally hiatus triggered by an untimely | arrest or prison stay. | Cyndi | | | ============================== | Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration | Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid= 1237 |

They may have been talking about choc beer here is a web site about Pete's My parents use to go there and the Isle of Capri for Choc beer. It must have been mild because it was the only time I heard of my Mom drinking beer. _http://www.draughters.com/oklahoma_today/ot3.html_ (http://www.draughters.com/oklahoma_today/ot3.html) OKLAHOMA’S HISTORY AS A DRY state may date to statehood in 1907, but the history of one Oklahoma beer is equally long. Choc beer is believed to be the product Choctaws teaching immigrant Italians to brew beer (hence the name), but no one knows for certain. What everyone does agree upon is that from 1925 to 1981, choc beer was faithfully, enthusiastically, and illegally served at Pete’s Place in Krebs, save for an occasionally hiatus triggered by an untimely arrest or prison stay. Cyndi

Hi All, I am wondering what "choc" or "chock" and a "chock joint" might mean in the 1920 vocabulary of the region. I thought I learned all the Okie vernacular from my childhood thru more years at Okla A & M than I care to admit, but I don't get this one. It is spoken of a commodity of some sort, something you buy or have..."the dispute started over the sale or disposition of some "choc" according to witnesses.... and a chock joint was mentioned as being run by a woman, but I did not get the idea it was a house of ill-repute. "East Side Chock Joint Keeper is Shot....the queen of the East Side chock joint was shot through the breast..." Maybe it is some kind of drug or home brew drink? A google search for "chock joint" should bring up another reference to a Wyoming situation if anyone is curious enough to want to see the exact context. Lou Gaddis...actually her curious husband, Ron.

My name is Ruthann Downum, my husband is Issac his mom full blood creek. Si & Lillie McIntoish is in there 80"s & live 3 blooks from us, Is there a question I can ask them Issac knows very little & him mom passes away last year.Ruthann Downum pmunroe@sbcglobal.net wrote:This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACI/2008 Message Board Post: Is anyone out there familiar with the Creek language ? Pat Munroe sunny california ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I'm Melissa Pedersn-Williams, in Akron, Ohio...My McIntosh County people are Cowan, Sparks, Needham.... My Grandmother Beatrice Mae Needham was born in Eufaula...And my Grandfather Dale Olin Cowan was born on a farm near Burton.... Thank you Pat for being willing to take over the board...please yell if you need ANY help what so ever! -----Original Message----- From: thejenks [mailto:thejenks@valuelinx.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:24 AM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Roll Call Pierce, Pendergraft, & Pierce sound like old friends, since I heard my Mother & Dad talk about them so much. My Dad, Theodore Pullen was born & raised in Fame, Mother, Ethel Coppick born & raised in Eufaula. Jesse Boatman was a good friend of my Dad's who we always made a point to talk to when we visited the Fame Cemetery. I live in Hackett, Ark. 90 miles from Fame. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bemillsap" <bemillsap@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: [OKMCINTO] Roll Call > Hi Everybody, > Welcome Pat!!!!!!! I'm going to miss Ron but this is a great board > and I'm glad to > give my information. > I"m Billie and I live near Houston, Texas. > I"m researching the named Molder, Pearce/Pierce, Pendergraft, Downum, > and Boatman > named in McIntosh County. They would have been from about 1896 on and mainly in the area of > Eufaula, Stidham, and Burton. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Billie Molder Millsap > bemillsap@sbcglobal.net > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > !DSPAM:40e0ce2210014693520782! > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My Grandmother died in Bakersfield in 1970, she was born in Eufaula...would be more than happy to sen you the transcribe of her obit!! Let me know!! Melissa Pedersen-Williams -----Original Message----- From: mildred Tatum [mailto:mftatum@webtv.net] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:48 AM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OKMCINTO] Mc Intosh Co. Hi Pat I was sending Ron copies of the obits from the Bakersfiled,Ca. paper of the people who were born in that county. and he was putting them in the archieves. If you want to continue that, let me know your mailing address. Mildred Tatum ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Ruthann, Thank you for your offer to help. I have tried to do this on my own but I guess I'm just way to stupid to handle the Creek language. Ok here is my problem > My gggrandfather was named Bill Davis a full blood Creek from Al. who died before Dawes enrollment so I know almost nothing about him . I would like to know if there is a Creek translation for his name if not then how would it have been written in Creek fashion. From what I could tell in reading about the Creek language it seems there would be no translation for the name but I just don't know . I do appreciate your offer of help. pmunroe@sbcglobal.net Pat Munroe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Issac Downum" <rockingd@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Anyone familiar with Creek Language > My name is Ruthann Downum, my husband is Issac his mom full blood creek. Si & Lillie McIntoish is in there 80"s & live 3 blooks from us, Is there a question I can ask them Issac knows very little & him mom passes away last year.Ruthann Downum

Hi Pat I was sending Ron copies of the obits from the Bakersfiled,Ca. paper of the people who were born in that county. and he was putting them in the archieves. If you want to continue that, let me know your mailing address. Mildred Tatum

My name is Mildred Tatum, I live in Bakersfield,Ca. My husbands family were old settlers near Eufala, and were of Creek Indian descent. The Moore cemetery was land donated by Thomas E. Moore, Lenna,Ok. was named for one of his daughters Lenna. I have Pendergrass in my line, going back to Job Pendergrass, in the Rev. war, of NC. his daughter married a Beaver, they founded Beaver,Ar. I believe that there were several different spellings and varations of the name.

Melissa, yes you can send it to pmunroe@sbcglobal.net Or if you would like to you can list it yourself, its up to you. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott and Melissa" <toyota@neo.rr.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:56 AM Subject: RE: [OKMCINTO] Mc Intosh Co. > My Grandmother died in Bakersfield in 1970, she was born in > Eufaula...would be more than happy to sen you the transcribe of her > obit!! Let me know!! > Melissa Pedersen-Williams >

Yes please forward them to pmunroe@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "mildred Tatum" <mftatum@webtv.net> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:48 AM Subject: [OKMCINTO] Mc Intosh Co. > Hi Pat > I was sending Ron copies of the obits > from the Bakersfiled,Ca. paper of > the people who were born in that county. > and he was putting them in the archieves. > If you want to continue that, let me know > your mailing address. > Mildred Tatum

Hi. Some of the families I am researching are: BINGHAM McKIM Robert Marion McKim Robert Arthur McKim ATKINS Texanna "Anna" Atkins McKim McIntosh Brummett Sarah Francis "Fannie" Atkins McIntosh Harriett Alice Atkins McQuarry Louisa Atkins Clinton McINTOSH, Roley Cubb, son of Daniel Newman Jr McQUARRY, John Harold and Ray Lee McQuarrie CLINTON, Charles {m. Harriett Alice Atkins} BRUMMETT, Charles {m. "Anna" McIntosh" BAKER, Jacob & any descendants BELL, Silas & any other fam DAVIS, OTIS ELMER aka O.E. COX, HATTIE ANNA {m. Robert M. McKim & O.E. Davis} COX, JOHN H. {father of Hattie & F.M.} COX, FRANCIS MARION aka F.M. WILBANKS, Minnie WILBANKS, Mac & Dora I am happy to share all the info I have on any of these lines and whatever else lines I have. Sandy

I am researsching WRIGHT and WEATHERFORD families of McIntosh County. They were from the Eufaula and Melette area and also lived in Hanna and Fame for awhile. My mother attended school #42 and would appreciate any information anyone might have about that school and of course any information about the families. Doris Dodson auntydo@aol.com

My great great grandfather was Joseph McClain b. 1826 in Weakly, Tenn. Married to Mary ? And raised a family in Johnson and Logan County, Arkansas My great grandfather was Newburn McClain b. 1850 in Logan County, Arkansas d.1930 Hanna, OK. Last time he saw his father Joseph was as he held the gate open for his father Joseph to ride off to the Civil War. Newburn's 1st wife was Sarah. Wish I could find where she is buried in Arkansas. Robert E. Lee McClain, Emmett Newburn McClain and James Washington were Sarah and Newburn's children. Newburn's second wife is LaVina Smith. Both buried in Hanna Cemetery. I would like to know more about LaVina Smith and her family. Lula Kennedy and Millie Ballinger was LaVina and Newburn's children. I recently attended Hanna Cemetery memorial day and met several of Millie's wonderful family for the first time. I am most interested in early days of Hanna, Ok during the 1890-1930 time frame. I enjoy pictures and stories during that time frame. My grandfather was James Washington McClain who lived in Chickasha, Ok, Grady County. Gerald McClain Stillwater, OK -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Tackett [mailto:wtackett@lightspeed.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:22 PM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [OKMCINTO] Roll Call My great grandmother, Maggie (Davis) Andrews, was married for a short time to a Newberry, first name might have been George. (I will check on this) Date would have been around 1916. They had one son, Turner "Snooks" Newberry. They were only married a few years. Wanda (Calif) (but born in Checotah) ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACI/2008 Message Board Post: Is anyone out there familiar with the Creek language ? Pat Munroe sunny california

Can you give me more info on your layman family. Lee & Shelley