I have a lot on Cotner.....who are you looking for and how much do you want? Sandy

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In a message dated 10/18/04 7:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmunroe@sbcglobal.net writes: Keven this Jacob and Sarah Cotner from the 1850 index must be the right family then and Martha would have been born after the census was taken in Scott Co. When and if I can locate the actual census image I'll email it to you. Please be patient as I'm not sure how long it may take . Pat Munroe Board Admin. Thanks Pat! No pressure here. :) Kevin

In a message dated 10/18/04 7:08:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, KRobertsInCA@aol.com writes: In a message dated 10/18/04 6:47:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmunroe@sbcglobal.net writes: Kevin, on the 1870 Sebastian Co. Ark. census Center Twp. Pernussa's birthplace is listed as Mississippi, is this correct ? Hi Pat, sorry I didn't answer this question the FIRST time. :) To the best of my knowledge, be it all limited, Mississippi is where Pernussa was born. :) Kevin...

In a message dated 10/18/04 6:55:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmunroe@sbcglobal.net writes: >Keven, you say Martha Cotner married a Coker, do you know his name and was he part of the Coker clan of Marion Co. Ark. > > Pat Munroe > Board Admin Hi Pat, I believe that Martha Cotner was daughter of Jacob Cotner and Sarah Traylor. I believe she married William Coker from Arkansas. I suspect, as indicated by the enumeration in 1870, that she suffered from some sort of disability. I have heard it to be blindness. According to the IGI Family Group Record I found, they married in Sebastian Co, Arkansas 20 Aug 1874 The IGI Record from Family Search indicates her as Martha Ellen Cotner born 26 Dec 1850. Scott, Arkansas. On the IGI Record it lists no other information is known. Thanks, Kevin

In a message dated 10/18/04 6:47:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pmunroe@sbcglobal.net writes: Kevin, on the 1870 Sebastian Co. Ark. census Center Twp. Pernussa's birthplace is listed as Mississippi, is this correct ? I located a Jacob Cotner with a wife named Sarah in 1850 on an index for Scott co. Ark. but I have been unable to verify this as yet. I believe that Ancestry .Com. has the wrong link listed for this one or something. I swear thier Indexes are the worst I've ever seen but the fact that they are listed at all means that they were somewhere in Ark. in 1850 . There were also several Traylor's listed in the same Twp but just as with the Cotner link it wasn't working either and when I looked at the actual census pages they were not listed on them so I believe Ancestry has the wrong county listed, so if we find one of these families we more than likely will find the other one near by. I did notice that two of these Scott Co. Traylor's were also listed as being born in Mississippi and one had a wife by the name of Ruth Ann which caught my eye sense there was a Smalley child on the 1870 census with the name Ruth Ann. I haven't been able to find anything usefull in the 1860 census so I suspect that we have to search for Taylor's instead of Traylor's, a common mistake . I'll let you know if I find anything else . Pat Munroe Board Admin. Thanks Pat! I sure appreciate your assistance. I sit here at my kitchen table between the stacks of papers, printed emails and index listings "gnawing" on possibilities all the time. Being a "newbie" to ancestral research I always appreciate the wisdom of others. It is nice to have "objective" opinions to assist me. Thanks again, Kevin....

A lot of folks left OK after the during the depression and the dust bowl era. My family left during the time of the Dust Bowl. Many settled in Bakersfield, CA and around Phoenix area of AZ. There was a lot more opportunities that could be found at that time in those places. My father and mother came to Bakersfield to take care of his grandma Letha Sumpter Eoff Williams. When she went to the nursing home they worked the fields. They left CA in the 1950s for Oregon and here they stayed. We still have family from both sides of our family tree that live around Bakersfield area. I enjoyed reading about the Indian women. There is so much about history that can be found when researching for our ancestors it amazes me at every turn. Good luck in your research. Dorothy Hober _Civil War Resources_ (http://hometown.aol.com/d2hober/civilwar.htm)

my e mail add. gimper123@cox.net are you relatied to cotner. i do have a picture of him-lula thank you. rj ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMM1033@aol.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Cotner / Traylor Family > Email me personally and I will got through my files.....I have a census on > Bud and will see what else..........I can get you what you want on the Cotners > in Spiro also.........just need to go through my files........I have quite a > bit on Cotners > sandy > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

My husband's grandmother was Agnes Hurst, she married Henry Henson Newton. They were from Marion Co AR and moved to Texanna. Both are buried at Triplett. Wanda -----Original Message----- From: LavonnaS@aol.com [mailto:LavonnaS@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:49 AM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Andrews/Trolinger/Calico/Burks Wanda, My mother had an aunt named Ollie who married a Hurst. They are buried at Triplett Cemetery in Texanna. Ollie's maiden name was Hill. My mother was a Strong and she was born in Texanna in 1920. My Strong grandparents and Hill great-grandparents are all buried in Texanna. I think it was Charles Hurst whom Ollie marrried. Lavonna LavonnaS@aol.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Strome is correct. Arley Strome Sr in buried at the Triplet Cemetery. Wanda -----Original Message----- From: pmunroe [mailto:pmunroe@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:04 AM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [OKMCINTO] Green/Strome Wanda, was that name STROME or STORM ? One of my Wells married a STORM Pat Munroe Board Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Tackett" <wtackett@lightspeed.net> > Kevin, > Thanks for the Tulare Library web site. We use to pack a lunch > and drive up for the day, but worked through lunch and eat on the way > home. Did not want to waste research time. I will have to drive up > some Sat. > Green is married in to my husband's line. His great > grandmother's sister was Flora McIntosh Green. I believe she was the > one who was shot off her horse at Texanna in about 1926 (No, I don't > have her confused with Belle Star):) One on her daughters, Georgia, > married Arlie Strome. My sister has a connection with the Strome line. > ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Kevin, Thanks for the Tulare Library web site. We use to pack a lunch and drive up for the day, but worked through lunch and eat on the way home. Did not want to waste research time. I will have to drive up some Sat. Green is married in to my husband's line. His great grandmother's sister was Flora McIntosh Green. I believe she was the one who was shot off her horse at Texanna in about 1926 (No, I don't have her confused with Belle Star):) One on her daughters, Georgia, married Arlie Strome. My sister has a connection with the Strome line. Wanda -----Original Message----- From: KRobertsInCA@aol.com [mailto:KRobertsInCA@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:42 PM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Andrews/Trolinger/Calico/Burks In a message dated 10/17/04 7:09:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wtackett@lightspeed.net writes: My maternal grandmother was born in Checotah in 1903 (CALICO). My father's family (BURKS) came from Norman to Checotah in 1928. Other family names in the area are: ANDREWS and TROLINGER. My husband is also from McIntosh County (Texanna), TACKETT, NEWTON, HURST, SAYLOR. There is also a Green and McIntosh connection in his family. I have family who live in Checotah and was back for a visit last May/June. What are the hours at the Tulare Library? I have not been there in years, but have been thinking about taking the short drive north. Wanda Shafter, CA Hi Wanda, Here is the link for info on the Tulare Public Library and Genealogy room. _Tulare Public Library - Genealogy_ (http://www.sjvls.org/tularepub/services/genealogy.htm) We will have to talk about Green family sometime. Many of my Green family members lived and died in Texanna. Kevin... ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My mother was born & raised in McIntosh Co, our family still owns property there granted my ggrandfather in the Cherokee relocation, I live on the edge of Bakersfield. My father's family was from Holdenville. Hardly a week goes by that I don't read in the obituaries about someone from that area of OK. bev Looney, Roundtree, Birdwell, Sadler, Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: DOVIE HAZELWOOD Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:35 AM To: OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family MY FATHER BERT MOORE LIVED IN MCINTOSH WITH FIRST WIFE,1930 WE LIVE IN LAMOND & WEEDPATCH .DOVIE ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > > In a message dated 10/17/04 7:43:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > thejenks@valuelinx.net writes: > > Hey, what a coincidence! I was one of the Dust Bowl babies born in > Visalia. > Would be interesting to find out how many McIntosh Co. people are in your > area now. My Grandmother, Laura "Patsy" Pullen > lived right off Weedpatch Highway. Her address was Lamont. Still have > cousins in Visalia. Would love to go to the library there, but its a > long > ways from Arkansas. Doris Pullen Jenkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pmunroe" <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> > To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:47 AM > Subject: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > > > There seems to be quite a "crop" of us here in the central valley. I > envy > you Doris. I would like to hit some of the libraries in Arkansas. My > clans > in Arkansas were just as elusive. Those darned Smalleys and Traylors. > :) > I hope to make a trip out to Arkansas and Oklahoma sometime mid next > year. > Fingers crossed. > Kevin Roberts. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

lula wilkins marry but cotner. they live around sprio ok. i was wondering if you had any information on them.i was young i stay with them for a while in sprio. i dont know anything on bud. thank you----. lula was my gr mother/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMM1033@aol.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Cotner / Traylor Family > I have a lot on Cotner.....who are you looking for and how much do you want? > Sandy > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Pat No, I haven't done any research on Indian customs. But I have searched the Dawes Rolls for my relatives. I don't believe there is really any difference between Indian women, Caucasian women, African-American women or Hispanic women. Or any other race. In the earlier days when a woman of any race had a baby out of wedlock, she gave the baby her maiden name. At least that is the way it happened in McIntosh County and my wife says it happened that way in Texas where she grew up. But I am very interested in any information you may have on Indian women's habits of having children out of wedlock and or any other Indian customs you may have read about. Dean...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "pmunroe" <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > Dean, I'm so glad that you asked this question, have you done any > research on Indian customs and or lifestyles ? I would be more than > happy > to share what info I have gathered on the subject, taken from Dawes > inrollment applications, census, etc. > For those of you that are interested in the subject lets start a > discusion on this forum, I think it would make a great topic, after all > this > is not your tipical text book info. > If anyone else out there has any info on the subject please jump in > here and share with the rest of us. If you are in the dark then jump in > with a question and we will all do our best to find an answer for you . > In > the mean time I will be sorting through my info looking for source > material > that I have stored somewhere in this mess of mine. > > Pat Munroe > Board Admin. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dean and Nell Duke" <deanandnell@intellex.com> > > >> I'm wondering where Pat Munroe got her information about the sex habits >> of >> Indian women. I had never heard that one before and I've lived around > here >> for almost 70 years. >> Dean in McIntosh County........ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "pmunroe" <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> >> > Well, this seems to be a common occurance in that part of the county. >> > I >> > have found many women living alone, that is to say no husband but many >> > children. This is usually do to there being some Indian blood in the >> > woman >> > in question. (grin) There were many Indian women still living by the > old >> > customs in those days and it looks as though some never gave up the old >> > ways. (grin)It makes it very hard to trace beyond her and her children >> > because her children usually went by her name and not the fathers name, >> > just >> > one of the old customes. >> > I will see what info I have on the Traylors and send it your way if it >> > looks >> > usefull. >> > >> > Pat Munroe >> > Board Admin. > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Wanda, My mother had an aunt named Ollie who married a Hurst. They are buried at Triplett Cemetery in Texanna. Ollie's maiden name was Hill. My mother was a Strong and she was born in Texanna in 1920. My Strong grandparents and Hill great-grandparents are all buried in Texanna. I think it was Charles Hurst whom Ollie marrried. Lavonna LavonnaS@aol.com

MY FATHER BERT MOORE LIVED IN MCINTOSH WITH FIRST WIFE,1930 WE LIVE IN LAMOND & WEEDPATCH .DOVIE ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > > In a message dated 10/17/04 7:43:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > thejenks@valuelinx.net writes: > > Hey, what a coincidence! I was one of the Dust Bowl babies born in > Visalia. > Would be interesting to find out how many McIntosh Co. people are in your > area now. My Grandmother, Laura "Patsy" Pullen > lived right off Weedpatch Highway. Her address was Lamont. Still have > cousins in Visalia. Would love to go to the library there, but its a > long > ways from Arkansas. Doris Pullen Jenkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pmunroe" <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> > To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:47 AM > Subject: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > > > There seems to be quite a "crop" of us here in the central valley. I > envy > you Doris. I would like to hit some of the libraries in Arkansas. My > clans > in Arkansas were just as elusive. Those darned Smalleys and Traylors. > :) > I hope to make a trip out to Arkansas and Oklahoma sometime mid next > year. > Fingers crossed. > Kevin Roberts. > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Wanda any Indian blood in there ? It seems there were alot of Indian connections to Marion Co. Ark. Pat Munroe Board Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Tackett" <wtackett@lightspeed.net> > My husband's grandmother was Agnes Hurst, she married Henry Henson > Newton. They were from Marion Co AR and moved to Texanna. Both are > buried at Triplett. > > Wanda

Keven this Jacob and Sarah Cotner from the 1850 index must be the right family then and Martha would have been born after the census was taken in Scott Co. When and if I can locate the actual census image I'll email it to you. Please be patient as I'm not sure how long it may take . Pat Munroe Board Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> > > Hi Pat, > I believe that Martha Cotner was daughter of Jacob Cotner and Sarah Traylor. > I believe she married William Coker from Arkansas. I suspect, as indicated > by the enumeration in 1870, that she suffered from some sort of disability. I > have heard it to be blindness. According to the IGI Family Group Record I > found, they married in Sebastian Co, Arkansas 20 Aug 1874 > The IGI Record from Family Search indicates her as Martha Ellen Cotner > born 26 Dec 1850. Scott, Arkansas. On the IGI Record it lists no other > information is known. > Thanks, > Kevin

I'm wondering where Pat Munroe got her information about the sex habits of Indian women. I had never heard that one before and I've lived around here for almost 70 years. Dean in McIntosh County........ ----- Original Message ----- From: "pmunroe" <pmunroe@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKMCINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [OKMCINTO] Blair Family > Well, this seems to be a common occurance in that part of the county. I > have found many women living alone, that is to say no husband but many > children. This is usually do to there being some Indian blood in the > woman > in question. (grin) There were many Indian women still living by the old > customs in those days and it looks as though some never gave up the old > ways. (grin)It makes it very hard to trace beyond her and her children > because her children usually went by her name and not the fathers name, > just > one of the old customes. > I will see what info I have on the Traylors and send it your way if it > looks > usefull. > > Pat Munroe > Board Admin. > >> >> Hi Pat, >> I appreciate any efforts. There is supposedly a small blurb about them >> ( >> Nancy, Sarah and Pernucia Traylor) in a book by Neal Cotner called A > Window To >> The Past. According to one response I received to a query, the mother > Nancy >> Traylor, has never been found with a husband and is rumored to have had >> 7 >> children. I know virtually nothing of this side of the family. I am > also still >> seeking to find Pernussa/Pernucia with her Smalley husband as he is > absent >> from the 1870 census in Sebastian Co, Arkansas. >> Thanks, >> Kevin... >> >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Wanda, was that name STROME or STORM ? One of my Wells married a STORM Pat Munroe Board Admin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Tackett" <wtackett@lightspeed.net> > Kevin, > Thanks for the Tulare Library web site. We use to pack a lunch > and drive up for the day, but worked through lunch and eat on the way > home. Did not want to waste research time. I will have to drive up > some Sat. > Green is married in to my husband's line. His great > grandmother's sister was Flora McIntosh Green. I believe she was the > one who was shot off her horse at Texanna in about 1926 (No, I don't > have her confused with Belle Star):) One on her daughters, Georgia, > married Arlie Strome. My sister has a connection with the Strome line. >