In a message dated 8/5/02 10:27:18 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << My dad said he was born in Heavener, but I also have a document where he put that he was born in LeFlore. >> Heavener is in Leflore County. That is the same place. Eli Shipley married into my Stacy family but I don't have any information other than Eli and Nellie's family. If you would like to have that, I will be glad to share. Eula