I also have a 'lost' relative from IT. I found him with his parents on his original application for the Social Security Act. I have been informed that there were no records kept of births at that time in IT. No newspaper mentions unless you were from a prominent family, he (our relative) was born in 1893. So the chances of finding a birth record for that early are slim to none. However you might try sending for her original application for the social security act, it contains other interesting information as well as the parents names. It also contains where the person was living at the time and where they were working (if they did) and the employer's address. I'm not sure all the applications contain this information, but ours did. As far as applying for a birth certificate, she probably didn't, she would not have needed it for anything other than for a keepsake. They were not required until in the 1900s. However you could try FT Gibson in Wagoner County. I found a news article about our ancestor's mother's death (she was murdered), but it didn't help much, just gave some interesting information about the circumstances of her death, but it did not mention her son at all who would have been about 5 years old at the time of his mother's death. Like you, I found him in a later census living with his grandparents. I also found mention of the murder in the Muskogee Phoenix, so you could try that area as well. That area was well populated (if rough) and there might be a land record for your g-ma's parents. Well, good luck, I hope this will help you some. There was another fort in the territory FT Smith, it was located in Arkansas. Good luck, information in that area in the time you are searching will be very difficult to find, but with a little divine assistance, it can be done. Patty FT Smith: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/fortsmith.php Muskogee Public Library (FHL) muskpublib@eok.lib.ok.us Oklahoma GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm In a message dated 9/20/2005 11:57:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, donnapich66@hotmail.com writes: I was wondering something about births also, My G-ma was born in OK (I.T.) around July 4th 1873 or 1875 but she moved to Ark sometime before she was 5 years old. We figured her Mother died so her Fathers Mom (Clarissa) raised her in Ark. Where would she apply for a delayed Birth Certificate???(IF she did.) Would there be a reason around that time for her to apply for one that anyone can think of ? Matilda is shown in the 1880 Census living with her G-ma in Ark. she is listed as 5 and born in Indian Territory if anyone can come up with any ideas of how I can find her birth and her mothers name PLEASE let me know OH Also I just found out that on this Census Clarissa said that Matilda's Mother was born in Tenn. We had heard a rumor through the family that they thought her Mothers maiden name was something like Speck???? Thank you for any help, Donna Matilda Lynard Tucker James's Mother B-July 4 1873 or 1875 Clarissa Williams Tucker Matilda married born about 1818... George Washington Plummer They lived in Ark. James's Father Stephen Tucker who was born in MO Matilda'a father Died in the war buried in LA James Marcus Tucker Born in L.A. around 1854 Grew up in Ark.around Grant Co. My family Im working on I have aprox 120 last names ..... http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plummer