I want to Thank everyone so very very much, alot of you wonderful people have given me different things to work on. I havent tried a death Cert. but I have a feeling it wont work because my Grandfather didnt even know his G-ma's last name and I heard the family members are the ones that fill out that info. I will keep trying because she is such a close relation and I cant believe that I am having trouble going any further...there has to be a way it just aggravates me :( Please again if any of you have an idea or answered just let me know, Im thankful for this list and to all you great people that make the list possible. Thank you again, Donna donnapich66@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna To: WILLIAMS-L@rootsweb.com ; SPECK-L@rootsweb.com ; SPECHT-L@rootsweb.com ; IT-INDIAN-L-request@rootsweb.com ; Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com ; AR-SURNAMES-D@rootsweb.com ; OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Birth Help Please Some Surnames....Tate,Plummer,Tucker,Williams,Byrd,Cherry,Batchelor,Elliot,ECT.ECT.. I was wondering something about births also, My G-ma was born in OK (I.T.) around July 4th 1873 or 1875 but she moved to Ark sometime before she was 5 years old. We figured her Mother died so her Fathers Mom (Clarissa) raised her in Ark. Where would she apply for a delayed Birth Certificate???(IF she did.) Would there be a reason around that time for her to apply for one that anyone can think of ? Matilda is shown in the 1880 Census living with her G-ma in Ark. she is listed as 5 and born in Indian Territory if anyone can come up with any ideas of how I can find her birth and her mothers name PLEASE let me know OH Also I just found out that on this Census Clarissa said that Matilda's Mother was born in Tenn. We had heard a rumor through the family that they thought her Mothers maiden name was something like Speck???? Thank you for any help, Donna Matilda Lynard Tucker James's Mother B-July 4 1873 or 1875 Clarissa Williams Tucker Matilda married born about 1818... George Washington Plummer They lived in Ark. James's Father Stephen Tucker who was born in MO Matilda'a father Died in the war buried in LA James Marcus Tucker Born in L.A. around 1854 Grew up in Ark.around Grant Co. My family Im working on I have aprox 120 last names ..... http://www2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=plummer&rand=841373110