Hi Jack, I didn't know anything but went to the county courthouse in the town (my home town ) where my Great Grandfather died in 1932 and they showed me how to use the indices and told me to look for a Final Decree (1934) . (They will do it for you and it only cost a few dollars more for the look up and copying etc). I had many records of all types to pull, marriage, deeds, warrenties, land patent info etc.... so they were nice enough to teach me how to search for anything I wanted and things that I didn't know existed uses the indices and old tome at that courthouse nothing was microfilmed etc. It was a gold mine! And I only paid for copying cost $1.00 a sheet but was priceless. So, look for a final decree it was a gold mine of genalogical informtion , mortgate papers w/ former wives, heirs, present wives, grandchildren that we didn't know existed who inherited and possibly should not have be named as heirsl ( we thought my mom was the only existing grandchild at that time & she was not named as an heir) ! And son in law's administrating and who was assigned and vested with what in the end! Judith

Thanks Alli, Gracie & Wayne &Peggy and all who replied to my problem. I now have at least some direction to follow, it's not a shot in the dark Thanks a zillion Regards, Jack -----Original Message----- From: Alli [mailto:iamcheroke@filertel.com] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:47 PM To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! What years would this cover? My Great grandparents owned property I think in the 1800's & then rented & then my great Grandma bought a house in the Cherokee Nation portion of Okla. in the 1900's.? Alli > If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship > on file when the property was sold/transferred. > > If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the > Oklahoma District Court site at > http://www.odcr.com/search.php > > I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and > Defendants" will usually list more names. > > Peggy > >>> <> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles >>> will*** >> >>>Problem ? >>>there was no will, therefore no probate. >>>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. >>>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining >>>something that don't exist?? >>>Jack >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Volunteer Appreciation - take a moment to let others know. > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/topics.rw.admin.volunteera > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Oklahoma Vital Records Information - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html Oklahoma Census Records - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm

And for me it doesn't go back far enough :( At least not what i was able to look at :) Alli Researching: A*B*R*A*M~~M*c*C*A*L*L~~ M*c*K*A*Y~~J*O*H*N*S*O*N P*H*A*R*I*S*S~~A*D*A*M*S~~T*H*O*M*P*S*O*N~~L*O*V*E*L*L~~W*H*I*T*E Indep. Usborne Book At Home Educational Children's Book Consultant Check out www.ubah.com/D1525 Enter your name for Free Books http://alli.cyberwize.com earn extra money ----- Original Message ----- From: "g.winters" <g.winters@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > Peggy, that is a great site, use it quite often but it does not have > all the counties listed yet. > Gracie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne & Peggy Horton" <wphor@sbcglobal.net> > To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > > >> If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship >> on file when the property was sold/transferred. >> >> If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the >> Oklahoma District Court site at >> http://www.odcr.com/search.php >> >> I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and >> Defendants" will usually list more names. >> >> Peggy >> >> >> <> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles >> >> will*** >> > >> >>Problem ? >> >>there was no will, therefore no probate. >> >>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. >> >>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining >> >>something that don't exist?? >> >>Jack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== >> Volunteer Appreciation - take a moment to let others know. >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/topics.rw.admin.volunteera >> > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Online sources for locating a Town or County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/locatetown.htm >

That is why I wrote "possibly". <grin> Peggy g.winters wrote: >Peggy, that is a great site, use it quite often but it does not have >all the counties listed yet. >Gracie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wayne & Peggy Horton" <wphor@sbcglobal.net> >To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:30 PM >Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > > > >>If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship >>on file when the property was sold/transferred. >> >>If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the >>Oklahoma District Court site at >>http://www.odcr.com/search.php >> >>I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and >>Defendants" will usually list more names. >> >>Peggy >> >> >> >>>><> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles >>>>will*** >>>> >>>> >>>>Problem ? >>>>there was no will, therefore no probate. >>>>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. >>>>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining >>>>something that don't exist?? >>>>Jack >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

Peggy, that is a great site, use it quite often but it does not have all the counties listed yet. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne & Peggy Horton" <wphor@sbcglobal.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship > on file when the property was sold/transferred. > > If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the > Oklahoma District Court site at > http://www.odcr.com/search.php > > I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and > Defendants" will usually list more names. > > Peggy > > >> <> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles > >> will*** > > > >>Problem ? > >>there was no will, therefore no probate. > >>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. > >>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining > >>something that don't exist?? > >>Jack > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Volunteer Appreciation - take a moment to let others know. > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/topics.rw.admin.volunteera >

This site will tell you how and where for death certs in Okla. http://www.health.state.ok.us/program/vital/brec.html

What years would this cover? My Great grandparents owned property I think in the 1800's & then rented & then my great Grandma bought a house in the Cherokee Nation portion of Okla. in the 1900's.? Alli > If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship > on file when the property was sold/transferred. > > If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the > Oklahoma District Court site at > http://www.odcr.com/search.php > > I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and > Defendants" will usually list more names. > > Peggy > >>> <> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles >>> will*** >> >>>Problem ? >>>there was no will, therefore no probate. >>>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. >>>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining >>>something that don't exist?? >>>Jack >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Volunteer Appreciation - take a moment to let others know. > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/topics.rw.admin.volunteera >

Hi Darin, The library would most likely have a copy of their obituaries and you can get a copy of the death certificates from: *Birth and Death Certificates** Oklahoma State Department of Health Division of Vital Records 1000 N. E. 10th St. Oklahoma City, OK 74152-3551 405/271-4040 * *You can get the print out the form from http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/deathform.htm * *I will see about getting a photograph from the Frank Phillips House, I'm not far from it. * *I sure hope this helps in your research. * *Warm regards, * *Katy Hestand Washington County Coordinator ** * On 7/10/05, Darin <famseeker@insightbb.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > I am new to the list and am looking for any information I can find on my > Ggreat Uncle Charles Theobald and wife Nettie. They lived around > Bartlesville in Washington county. I have been told that he used to be a > driver for Frank Phillips of Phillips Petroleum Co. I heard that his name > is > still on the intercom at the Phillips house in Bartlesville. All I know is > that he died in 1933 in Bartlesville and that both are buried there in > Washington county. > > Does anyone know where I could write for their death certificates? Or > maybe > to find an obituary? > > Thank you, > Darin > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > PhotoGallery - http://marti.rootsweb.com/photogallery/index.htm > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ > >

Hello, I am new to the list and am looking for any information I can find on my Ggreat Uncle Charles Theobald and wife Nettie. They lived around Bartlesville in Washington county. I have been told that he used to be a driver for Frank Phillips of Phillips Petroleum Co. I heard that his name is still on the intercom at the Phillips house in Bartlesville. All I know is that he died in 1933 in Bartlesville and that both are buried there in Washington county. Does anyone know where I could write for their death certificates? Or maybe to find an obituary? Thank you, Darin

If this involves real estate, possibly there is an Affidavit of Heirship on file when the property was sold/transferred. If this was in Oklahoma, possibly the record will be listed on the Oklahoma District Court site at http://www.odcr.com/search.php I have found that using "All Parties" instead of "Plaintiffs and Defendants" will usually list more names. Peggy >> <> desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles >> will*** > >>Problem ? >>there was no will, therefore no probate. >>I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. >>are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining >>something that don't exist?? >>Jack >> >> >> > >

Gacie's right. If there was any "real property" then there had to be a probate regardless of the lack of a will. There should be a court record, baring unforeseen circumstances. (o;]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on!

Thanks Gracie I will contact the Court clerk in the County in which he died. perhaps they can help. Regards, Jack -----Original Message----- From: g.winters [mailto:g.winters@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 11:16 AM To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! Hi, Jack My late husband had no will but I had to go to court to do the probate thingy anyway. Do you know where and when this happened? If so, you could go to the where and see what you have to prove to get the copy. Or call if you live too far away. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jj123yes@cox.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > I desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles will*** > Problem ? > there was no will, therefore no probate. > I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. > are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining > something that don't exist?? > Jack > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet!

Hi, Jack My late husband had no will but I had to go to court to do the probate thingy anyway. Do you know where and when this happened? If so, you could go to the where and see what you have to prove to get the copy. Or call if you live too far away. Gracie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack" <jj123yes@cox.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: [OKGEN ] Maybe off topic But ! > I desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles will*** > Problem ? > there was no will, therefore no probate. > I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. > are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining > something that don't exist?? > Jack > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm >

I desperately need a certified copy of a court probate of my uncles will*** Problem ? there was no will, therefore no probate. I have been told to see a lawyer which is good but costly advice. are there any legal eagles who can give me some direction on obtaining something that don't exist?? Jack

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Fred, this is most helpful information. At the estimated time of Susan Marley's death, it was still Oklahoma Territory, and that area the Chickasaw Nation, so I need to be guided - as you have done - since I have just moved into the state to do some of this research. Thank you sincerely. Nell Truitt - Ardmore Nell, You are doing a wonderful thing trying to place a stone on a grave. There are two problems here. First Oklahoma does not have a death index and second the state didn't require the reporting until a year after statehood and it wasn't enacted into a law until 1917. Some counties didn't fully comply until the late 1920s. I would contact the Johnston County Genealogical Society to see if they have any records. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm Then go to the county links. I'll check at the Oklahoma Historical Library on next Wednesday when I'm there to see if there is a cemetery book for Johnston County that would give a location to start with. Fred J. Nell & John Truitt 55 Town & Country Circle Ardmore, OK 73410-9114 580-226-3677

Nell, I would start with the Johnston County Genealogical Society and then move on to the Southwestern Oklahoma Genealogical Society at: http://www.sirinet.net/~lgarris/swogs/ for further instruction. Fred Frederick M. Dittmar, Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma  73026   http://frederick.dittmar.org   Member: Association of Professional Genealogy http://www.apgen.org Mail List Administrator: 23 Mail Lists - 1 Message Board   Board Member & Genealogical Assistant Oklahoma Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs

Nell, You are doing a wonderful thing trying to place a stone on a grave. There are two problems here. First Oklahoma does not have a death index and second the state didn't require the reporting until a year after statehood and it wasn't enacted into a law until 1917. Some counties didn't fully comply until the late 1920s. I would contact the Johnston County Genealogical Society to see if they have any records. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm Then go to the county links. I'll check at the Oklahoma Historical Library on next Wednesday when I'm there to see if there is a cemetery book for Johnston County that would give a location to start with. Fred Frederick M. Dittmar, Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service PO Box 2601 Norman, Oklahoma 73026 http://frederick.dittmar.org <https://exchange.ou.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://frederick.ditt mar.org> Member: Association of Professional Genealogy http://www.apgen.org <https://exchange.ou.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.apgen.org> Mail List Administrator: 22 Mail Lists & 1 Message Board Board Member & Genealogical Assistant Oklahoma Genealogy Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs <https://exchange.ou.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.rootsweb.c om/%7Eokgs>