In a message dated 4/21/01 11:46:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ronshasteen@worldnet.att.net writes: << where is the room I must have missed the message >> The okgenweb room, on the RootsWeb server. Instructions for getting there: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm Yes, we're still going strong! Sharon McAllister

Shelley, My cousin, Mike that is heading up my Mom's family reunion now and I have started this year with a scrapbook of sorts that will have stories of the family special recipes from the reunions past and present and how we remember our Grandparents and Great-grandparents. Our reunions are held in August and we are hoping to get started this year in putting together our scrapbook. Mike is putting all our family pictures on CD's and we are going to work up a family webpage in the future. I was telling a cousin about how much fun I had spending the night at my Great-grandmothers house in east Texas and how she and I slept on a feather mattress with big down comforts and he said he never spent the night with her. It hurt me so until I realized he had gone hunting with my Granddaddy and had my Granddaddy gun, so we sort of traded out experiences growing up. We can learn so much about our family just from the memories each of us have. Keep me informed on how things go and I sure hope you have great luck with it. Dot in Texas > hey gang. I had an idea a few weeks ago to send out to all the 'elders' of my > family aunts and uncles and so on, to all write down stories from their > childhood as well as stuff about our grandparents as far back as they could > remember. So far I have collected several different groups of stories and I'm > going to put them all together with our family tree and distribute them at our > next family reunion. I guess I did this cuz I'm tired of only getting 'the cold > hard facts' birth dates, marriage dates etc. It was nice to throw in some > stories with everything else. Some living memories. I also had them give me the > full names and birth info on each of their 'branches'. I just thought I'd share > this with ya'll. > Shelly > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:okgen-l-request@rootsweb.com >

In a message dated 4/21/01 9:38:34 PM Mountain Daylight Time, SBaker2842@aol.com writes: << I have no idea how to do this..........but with some help.......maybe I could contribute. Sharyn >> How-tos, including links to download chat software if you don't already have it, are on the OKGenWeb site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm Chat is still going on. Sharon Mc

I have no idea how to do this..........but with some help.......maybe I could contribute. Sharyn

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where is the room I must have missed the message ----- Original Message ----- From: <Smcbox@cs.com> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 7:23 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Saturday Night Chat > The room is open. Where is everyone? > > Sharon McAllister > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OK Surname Registry - added yours? http://www.rootsweb.com/~oknames/ > Search 4 surnames - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/search.htm > >

The room is open. Where is everyone? Sharon McAllister

This sounds like a good idea, and at the reunion it would be good to get some of those memories on type also. That is what I have been working on when I can.. You would be supprised as what someone will remember about a family member, as they get to sharing memories with you. To me this makes that person seem more alive to hear those little stories.. If we don't get those stories down now they could be lost forever..And to know some of your people actually got a ride home with Belle Starr or played cards with her gang..where are you going to find that kind of memories, if not from the story tellers of your family...... Thanks for sharing Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Shelly Brower To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] an idea hey gang. I had an idea a few weeks ago to send out to all the 'elders' of my family aunts and uncles and so on, to all write down stories from their childhood as well as stuff about our grandparents as far back as they could remember. So far I have collected several different groups of stories and I'm going to put them all together with our family tree and distribute them at our next family reunion. I guess I did this cuz I'm tired of only getting 'the cold hard facts' birth dates, marriage dates etc. It was nice to throw in some stories with everything else. Some living memories. I also had them give me the full names and birth info on each of their 'branches'. I just thought I'd share this with ya'll. Shelly ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. mailto:okgen-l-request@rootsweb.com

You also might think of finding people who knew your family & do the same thing or do so with an elderly neighbor. I found a lady whose mom dated my great uncle (Johnson) I lost her address (due to a computer virus) but if I can find her again, I'd like to have her mom write down what she remembers of my family. And this lady lived next to my Uncle (JC), so hopefully she can share some story's about him. LOL Also, an elderly neighbor lady who we lived next to & took care of her pasture's & yard & occasionally cats & looked in on her over the last 20 + yrs. moved into town a yr. or so ago. And now is moving into a retirement/nursing home this month. She's full of a lot of history & knowledge. For starter's she moved to this town & State in 1910, didn't mention her age but it was before we were considered a town/city. her son lives in Tn. (or somewhere in that area) with grandkids & probably great's too scattered wherever. She use to have a LOT of antiques that was passed down to her from her mom who I'm sure got some given to her. But I am going to sit down with her as soon as she's settled to start writing her life story, to make a copy for her son to hopefully pass to his kids or find the one granddaughter she speaks of to share a priceless treasure with them, that they all seem to busy to do for themselves. Thought about doing that with other's in nursing homes.....you'd be surprised what you'd learn about.....even about your own town. :) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Bibb" <hbbibb@cwis.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] an idea > This sounds like a good idea, and at the reunion it would be good to get some of those memories on type also. That is what I have been working on when I can.. You would be supprised as what someone will remember about a family member, as they get to sharing memories with you. > To me this makes that person seem more alive to hear those little stories.. If we don't get those stories down now they could be lost forever..And to know some of your people actually got a ride home with Belle Starr or played cards with her gang..where are you going to find that kind of memories, if not from the story tellers of your family...... > Thanks for sharing > Betty

Betty, I have a cousin in Stigler. E-mail me privately, please. It would be interesting to see if you know her. pjcbb@swbell.net Pam in Ft. Worth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Bibb" <hbbibb@cwis.net> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] > I for one will not buy this book. > Our daughter Debbie was late to work that day, the building where she works is only a few blocks away and had some damage..Had she been on time she would have been in the underground parking lot which sustained heavy damage. We are very lucky to have her with us today. > Our grandsons so small were affected by just the very idea that someone could do this..Weeks after the bombing they were walking in the country and a jet broke the sound barrier and they fell to the ground thinking there had been another bombing. > Our little town of Stigler, Oklahoma did however loose one of it's own, Pam Cleveland..Her parents said that McVeigh didn't deserve their time or attention and they sure weren't buying or reading the book... > I just hope in time all will be able to heal. > Betty Bibb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Earline Barger > To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:23 PM > Subject: [OKGEN ] > > > For those of you who were here when this happened....I know you will feel > this! > The people of Oklahoma have my utmost respect in the way that they have > handled this catastrophe! This is VERY good! Donna worked the bombing site. > She recently > received a excerpt of Timothy McVeigh's book, and this is her response: > Dear Friends, > I will not forward the excerpt from the book that has been written by two > reporters and a couple of shrinks about Tim McVeigh. It was sent to me by > someone I respect, and I have checked it out to be sure that the quote was > accurate. And, it was. I fully expected to read this book. I wanted to > know a lot of things. And, I believe that the > book is an accurate account of what Tim McVeigh has said. I wanted to know > why he picked Oklahoma City. I wanted to know if he implicated anyone else. > I wanted to > know if he took responsibility. But, I won't read the book. After reading > the excerpt I know that it doesn't matter. It won't change a thing. Tim > McVeigh says, and this is > the only quote from the man you'll get from me "It was my choice and my > control to hit that building when it was full. ....I understand what they > felt in Oklahoma City . I have > no sympathy for them." First of all, I don't think Tim McVeigh feels at > all, and second, no one in Oklahoma City asked for any sympathy of any kind. > Least of all Tim McVeigh's. > > While he was cowering away from the scene, with ear plugs in his ears, the > people of my town were running toward the mess he had created. There were > not just 168 > bodies to be recovered. There were almost 1000 injured people to be > triaged and helped. That was done. And, it was done with a speed and an > accuracy that stunned the > people who came later to help us. Our construction companies had cranes in > place within the first hour. > Our hardware companies turned their shelves over to the effort. Vets came > to help with the rescue animals. Doctors came and worked along side > construction workers and lay > people. Engineers kept that wreck standing until all but three bodies were > recovered And no matter what the conspiracy people say, that was a damned > miracle. When the wind blew, even a little, that building swayed and > groaned so loud it was audible for blocks. When other States sent rescue > units to help us, my town fed them, clothed them, held their heads when > they vomited at the carnage and comforted them when they cried. Being close > to that building wasn't easy during those 19 days. It was bloody, it stank, > and it was dangerous. And, in spite > of this, we had trouble getting people to stand down and take a rest. Thank > you, New York Urban, and Phoenix, and Fairfax, and Dade County, and Denver, > and Everyone else who came. You showed up on our door step like a good > neighbor, with your equipment, and tears in your eyes, and we will forever > be in your debt. You are heroes to the person, and always in my prayers. > Saint Michael's heart beats in you all. Buildings around the site stood wide > open. Their foundations sprung to the extent that their doors wouldn't lock. > But, locking the doors wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the windows were > all gone. > There was not one incident of looting. Not one. And, Joe Q. American did > everything else. By midnight, that first day, we had an ample supply of > blood for all. I saw people lined up around the Oklahoma Blood institute. > Hundreds of people lined up, waiting for hours, to donate their blood. > Business men in suits talked casually to homeless people who felt the blast > and came. And, the rescuers didn't just exist on dry sandwiches. Oh no. > Little Cesar's, and the Outback, and Subway, and local Barbecue and Steak > houses, and Hooter's, and Taco Bell, and Sonic, and other's too numerous to > mention, some from Texas and Kansas fed everyone well. And for free. And > this wasn't easy. Food had to labeled as to date, origin, and time of > arrival, and kept clean and cold in a very inhospitable environment. And, > this was done. Everyone at the site was sick, but it was never because of > the food. And, by the way, this was all done with a finesse that preserved > ample evidence to get Tim McVeigh's sorry ass strapped to a gurney and taken > care of. That coward won't kill anyone else's babies. While we tended to the > needs of the rescuers, the FBI, the ATF, FEMA, and the Oklahoma City Police > Department worked around us, and under our feet, sometimes with tweezers, > and plastic bags, picking up minute pieces of the barrels that held the > explosives, and pieces as big as the axle of the Ryder Rental truck. They > were professionals all, and sensitive to our feelings. > > When the authors wanted to donate a portion of the proceeds from the book to > our Memorial, the Memorial committee quietly said "no thank you." I am so > glad, and so proud of them. No sympathy, or no money needed here. We'll > handle it, thank you. Don't buy the book. Send the $20. to the Memorial, or > to the Red Cross, or to the Education fund for the children of the victims, > or to the Oklahoma City Fire Department, or the Phoenix Fire Department, or > Dade County, or to Feed the Children. > > This is not about Tim McVeigh. It's about the human spirit. And, it's > here, and it thrives, and it asks no sympathy. > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

hey gang. I had an idea a few weeks ago to send out to all the 'elders' of my family aunts and uncles and so on, to all write down stories from their childhood as well as stuff about our grandparents as far back as they could remember. So far I have collected several different groups of stories and I'm going to put them all together with our family tree and distribute them at our next family reunion. I guess I did this cuz I'm tired of only getting 'the cold hard facts' birth dates, marriage dates etc. It was nice to throw in some stories with everything else. Some living memories. I also had them give me the full names and birth info on each of their 'branches'. I just thought I'd share this with ya'll. Shelly

Thanks :) Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Graham" <okgenweb1@yahoo.com> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Census years > > --- Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> wrote: > > Can someone tell me the years available for the > > Census records for Okla. as > > far back as they are to current. > > > > I have tried to find my Abram line in the soundex > > for 1920 Census & they > > don't exist, so I'm hoping to just get any census > > record & hope that I can > > find one of my line's there somewhere. > > Ali - see http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

--- Alli <aka2@magiclink.com> wrote: > Can someone tell me the years available for the > Census records for Okla. as > far back as they are to current. > > I have tried to find my Abram line in the soundex > for 1920 Census & they > don't exist, so I'm hoping to just get any census > record & hope that I can > find one of my line's there somewhere. Ali - see http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Can someone tell me the years available for the Census records for Okla. as far back as they are to current. I have tried to find my Abram line in the soundex for 1920 Census & they don't exist, so I'm hoping to just get any census record & hope that I can find one of my line's there somewhere. Also, someone mentioned making McVeigh's execution unknown to him....that's exactly how it should be I don't think he should have a set date, time, last meal, last anything. Has anyone seen the movie the Green mile? I haven't been able to watch the whole thing (never catch it when it starts at the beginning) anyway, they use another prisoner to "practice" taking the soon-to-be executed to the electric chair, straps him in, and goes thru each step that needs to be taken, including the speech. So they will be ready for the real soon-to-be prisoner. They should do that with him...everyday go thru the steps & then unbeknown to him one day they just decide its a good day. But the sad thing is....McVeigh doesn't care...so the publicity for him should stop & they should just get rid of him w/o any fan fare. Thanks for any help on the census info. Maybe if I can find one line the other's won't be far behind :) Alli ABRAM-JOHNSON-PHARISS-WHITE-LOVELL-ADAMS-THOMPSON-McCALL(1)-McKAY Pampered Chef Consultant

Can I share this with other's? Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Mayss" <agypsy@network-one.com> To: <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: [OKGEN ] OK City Bombing > References: > 1 , 2 > > > > > A grandchild who has lived with us since birth was 5 years > old at the time of the bombing. Cody > would sit and watch the rescue efforts day after day. He > knew it had happened but his young mind > could not understand the evil that caused this terrible > tragedy. The following year, while on our way > to New Mexico, he told us he wanted to go downtown see the > building. Cody walked around the > fence touching and reading each memorial and the pictures > that loved ones had brought and left. > He was totally silent. Even though he thought he understood > what had happened in OK City that > day, he did not fully comprehend what had happen until he > saw it through his own eyes. He realized > that no matter how much we loved him, we could not protect > him from all the evil in the world. At > night when he says his prayers, he ask the Lord to bless the > babies and Mothers and Fathers who > died there that day.Each year we have made the same trip and > have come to the fence and stood > silently. It feels sacred. The silence is deafening...... I > leave in tears. We say we will never return > yet we do, as though we are being drawn there. It is my > prayer that the Lord bless you all, and > ease your pain. I lost a child, murdered by her stepfather > so I can understand the anger, the > frustration. We fought for 20 years to keep him in prison. > He walked out a free man in March. > They should take the both of them, put them in a truck with > bomb like the one used in OK City, > set the timer and lock them in dark, having no idea when it > was to explode. > What will be done with the profits from the book? Will his > family get them or his victims? The only way I would buy one > would be so I could burn it. > Love & God Bless > Sue > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:okgen-l-request@rootsweb.com > >

Sharon, I for one, would like to see that picture you were talking about...the one with the angel over the building. Is there anyway you can scan that or mail me a copy. Write back to me off the list, please. Eilene Genienut@aol.com

Ethel: God knew that it wasn't your nephew's time to leave here. I'm certain He didn't plan on all the others dying that day but it definitely wasn't your nephew's time. My heart breaks each time I see pictures of the empty chairs. It's beyond comprehension how someone can be so cruel and evil to want to slaughter hundreds of unknown people. If ever there was someone possessed by the devil, Tim McVeigh goes to near the top of the list. He and Hilter should enjoy each other's company. He still shows no remorse and shouldn't be allowed to die like he is. His execution date should not be known to him and the manner in which he dies. The prison guards should come into his cell one nite and escort him to his end w/o his knowledge or better yet, set him up to be executed several times, strap him in, insert the needle and then say "oh, well...not this time" Off my soap box. My love goes out to all that were affected personally and those, like me, who were affected in a peripheral way. Jacque _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

References: 1 , 2 A grandchild who has lived with us since birth was 5 years old at the time of the bombing. Cody would sit and watch the rescue efforts day after day. He knew it had happened but his young mind could not understand the evil that caused this terrible tragedy. The following year, while on our way to New Mexico, he told us he wanted to go downtown see the building. Cody walked around the fence touching and reading each memorial and the pictures that loved ones had brought and left. He was totally silent. Even though he thought he understood what had happened in OK City that day, he did not fully comprehend what had happen until he saw it through his own eyes. He realized that no matter how much we loved him, we could not protect him from all the evil in the world. At night when he says his prayers, he ask the Lord to bless the babies and Mothers and Fathers who died there that day.Each year we have made the same trip and have come to the fence and stood silently. It feels sacred. The silence is deafening...... I leave in tears. We say we will never return yet we do, as though we are being drawn there. It is my prayer that the Lord bless you all, and ease your pain. I lost a child, murdered by her stepfather so I can understand the anger, the frustration. We fought for 20 years to keep him in prison. He walked out a free man in March. They should take the both of them, put them in a truck with bomb like the one used in OK City, set the timer and lock them in dark, having no idea when it was to explode. What will be done with the profits from the book? Will his family get them or his victims? The only way I would buy one would be so I could burn it. Love & God Bless Sue

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I for one will not buy this book. Our daughter Debbie was late to work that day, the building where she works is only a few blocks away and had some damage..Had she been on time she would have been in the underground parking lot which sustained heavy damage. We are very lucky to have her with us today. Our grandsons so small were affected by just the very idea that someone could do this..Weeks after the bombing they were walking in the country and a jet broke the sound barrier and they fell to the ground thinking there had been another bombing. Our little town of Stigler, Oklahoma did however loose one of it's own, Pam Cleveland..Her parents said that McVeigh didn't deserve their time or attention and they sure weren't buying or reading the book... I just hope in time all will be able to heal. Betty Bibb ----- Original Message ----- From: Earline Barger To: OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] For those of you who were here when this happened....I know you will feel this! The people of Oklahoma have my utmost respect in the way that they have handled this catastrophe! This is VERY good! Donna worked the bombing site. She recently received a excerpt of Timothy McVeigh's book, and this is her response: Dear Friends, I will not forward the excerpt from the book that has been written by two reporters and a couple of shrinks about Tim McVeigh. It was sent to me by someone I respect, and I have checked it out to be sure that the quote was accurate. And, it was. I fully expected to read this book. I wanted to know a lot of things. And, I believe that the book is an accurate account of what Tim McVeigh has said. I wanted to know why he picked Oklahoma City. I wanted to know if he implicated anyone else. I wanted to know if he took responsibility. But, I won't read the book. After reading the excerpt I know that it doesn't matter. It won't change a thing. Tim McVeigh says, and this is the only quote from the man you'll get from me "It was my choice and my control to hit that building when it was full. ....I understand what they felt in Oklahoma City . I have no sympathy for them." First of all, I don't think Tim McVeigh feels at all, and second, no one in Oklahoma City asked for any sympathy of any kind. Least of all Tim McVeigh's. While he was cowering away from the scene, with ear plugs in his ears, the people of my town were running toward the mess he had created. There were not just 168 bodies to be recovered. There were almost 1000 injured people to be triaged and helped. That was done. And, it was done with a speed and an accuracy that stunned the people who came later to help us. Our construction companies had cranes in place within the first hour. Our hardware companies turned their shelves over to the effort. Vets came to help with the rescue animals. Doctors came and worked along side construction workers and lay people. Engineers kept that wreck standing until all but three bodies were recovered And no matter what the conspiracy people say, that was a damned miracle. When the wind blew, even a little, that building swayed and groaned so loud it was audible for blocks. When other States sent rescue units to help us, my town fed them, clothed them, held their heads when they vomited at the carnage and comforted them when they cried. Being close to that building wasn't easy during those 19 days. It was bloody, it stank, and it was dangerous. And, in spite of this, we had trouble getting people to stand down and take a rest. Thank you, New York Urban, and Phoenix, and Fairfax, and Dade County, and Denver, and Everyone else who came. You showed up on our door step like a good neighbor, with your equipment, and tears in your eyes, and we will forever be in your debt. You are heroes to the person, and always in my prayers. Saint Michael's heart beats in you all. Buildings around the site stood wide open. Their foundations sprung to the extent that their doors wouldn't lock. But, locking the doors wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the windows were all gone. There was not one incident of looting. Not one. And, Joe Q. American did everything else. By midnight, that first day, we had an ample supply of blood for all. I saw people lined up around the Oklahoma Blood institute. Hundreds of people lined up, waiting for hours, to donate their blood. Business men in suits talked casually to homeless people who felt the blast and came. And, the rescuers didn't just exist on dry sandwiches. Oh no. Little Cesar's, and the Outback, and Subway, and local Barbecue and Steak houses, and Hooter's, and Taco Bell, and Sonic, and other's too numerous to mention, some from Texas and Kansas fed everyone well. And for free. And this wasn't easy. Food had to labeled as to date, origin, and time of arrival, and kept clean and cold in a very inhospitable environment. And, this was done. Everyone at the site was sick, but it was never because of the food. And, by the way, this was all done with a finesse that preserved ample evidence to get Tim McVeigh's sorry ass strapped to a gurney and taken care of. That coward won't kill anyone else's babies. While we tended to the needs of the rescuers, the FBI, the ATF, FEMA, and the Oklahoma City Police Department worked around us, and under our feet, sometimes with tweezers, and plastic bags, picking up minute pieces of the barrels that held the explosives, and pieces as big as the axle of the Ryder Rental truck. They were professionals all, and sensitive to our feelings. When the authors wanted to donate a portion of the proceeds from the book to our Memorial, the Memorial committee quietly said "no thank you." I am so glad, and so proud of them. No sympathy, or no money needed here. We'll handle it, thank you. Don't buy the book. Send the $20. to the Memorial, or to the Red Cross, or to the Education fund for the children of the victims, or to the Oklahoma City Fire Department, or the Phoenix Fire Department, or Dade County, or to Feed the Children. This is not about Tim McVeigh. It's about the human spirit. And, it's here, and it thrives, and it asks no sympathy. _________________________________________________________________ ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet!