> Actually, it was taught in my history classes in Tennessee. Maybe because > many of the Native Americans were from the TN/GA/NC area. My GGG Grandfather > settled on land before 1838 that was previously inhabited by the Cherokee Connie Connie- you are so lucky to live in that area! My History teacher in the 7th grade, taught us a bit about it, only because the Hispanic kids called me half-breed.(I was suntanned-sunbleached blond-hazel eyes. And my name was "Miller". ) I am in California, my dad grew up in Oklahoma, when I read sections of the book to him, He did not know most of it either. His grandma was part Cherokee-but insisted that no one know. My mom is from Texas-it was not taught there either. Sandy [email protected]

Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language for them. > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > How The West Was Lost II > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > Distributed Enterprises Group > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > Oklahoma Census Records - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > >

Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language for them. Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. How The West Was Lost II Vol 2: The Trail of Tears Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 Distributed Enterprises Group

Carol-What were your husbands family's names who were Cherokee, and where were they from? Do you have any Birth dates, other information, about them? Where any of the surnames-Williams/Gentry/Emery/Buffington/Due/Grant? Sandy [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "skscofield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > Carole- > Until two years ago-I had not read the Trail of Tears-it is not taught > in American History classes. MANY American people have NO idea as to > what took place. It is not something the American History /Government , > wants taught in our education system, for obvious reasons. > > So if someone, even quite by accident, learns, now, yesterday, or > tomorrow- it is knowledge that should encouraged. I am glad you saw the > video. > Sandy [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Millard New" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM > > Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > > > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our > library. > > It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of > Major > > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written > language > > for them. > > > > > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I > had > > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to > my > > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > > > > > How The West Was Lost II > > > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > > > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > > > Distributed Enterprises Group > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > > > Oklahoma Census Records - > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > > >

Carole- Until two years ago-I had not read the Trail of Tears-it is not taught in American History classes. MANY American people have NO idea as to what took place. It is not something the American History /Government , wants taught in our education system, for obvious reasons. So if someone, even quite by accident, learns, now, yesterday, or tomorrow- it is knowledge that should encouraged. I am glad you saw the video. Sandy [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Millard New" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM > Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. > It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language > for them. > > > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > > > How The West Was Lost II > > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > > Distributed Enterprises Group > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > > Oklahoma Census Records - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm >

Are we talking about the Badlands of South Dakota? Shelia [email protected] Researching: TRIMBLE, SMITH, BAKER, HOLDREN, SHIMER, LANTZ, McCOY Maternal: HARBISON, MITCHELL, YORK, HATFIELD, TWEEDLE, VAUGHT, EMERY Others: BACHELDER, MERRIMAN, AUDET, GUPTILL, RAYMOND, BABB, 'INDIAN's -Abernacky, Cherokee, Choctaw To learn more about the bachelders group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bachelders

At 11:33 PM 1/12/03, you wrote: >I am looking for any information I can get on Festus Walrus/Brown. He was a >full blood Choctaw man. His fathers name MAY have been Testus or Vestus >Walrus/Brown. They were all from Greenleaf, Oklahoma. Festus was born around >1861 or so. He was 18 in 1880 when he married Sarah "Louisa" Wallace/Wallis. >They moved to Texas. >Festus ran with the Jesse James gang (I was told) and he was shot and killed >by US Marshalls in the Badlands, he was 52 or 53 when he was shot and killed. >That was in about 1905-1914 or so. I am not sure where he is buried. Texas or >Oklahoma. Here is a webpage that lists members of the James-Younger Gang. I did a quick look and didn't see a match, but you might look at it closer. http://www.islandnet.com/~the-gang/bio.htm Gene

I am looking for any information I can get on Festus Walrus/Brown. He was a full blood Choctaw man. His fathers name MAY have been Testus or Vestus Walrus/Brown. They were all from Greenleaf, Oklahoma. Festus was born around 1861 or so. He was 18 in 1880 when he married Sarah "Louisa" Wallace/Wallis. They moved to Texas. Festus ran with the Jesse James gang (I was told) and he was shot and killed by US Marshalls in the Badlands, he was 52 or 53 when he was shot and killed. That was in about 1905-1914 or so. I am not sure where he is buried. Texas or Oklahoma. Rebecca

>Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:45:55 -0600 >From: "Frederick M. Dittmar" <[email protected]> >Subject: Oklahoma Historical Library >Reply-to: [email protected] > >Please announce the following to all the county pages: > >Please be informed that the Oklahoma Historical Library and Newspaper Room >may be closed all of the month of February. They are rearranging the >files, film roll cabnits, books and readers. If anyone is planning on a >visit it might be wise to call ahead 405 522-5222. > >Thanks, > >Fred >Frederick M. Dittmar >Diggin' Deep Genealogy Research Service >Box 2601 - Norman, Oklahoma 73070-2601 ><http://www.dittmar.net/fred>http://www.dittmar.net/fred > >Member: Association of Professional Genealogists > >Mail List >Administrator: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > >Board Member & Genealogical Assistant >Oklahoma Genealogical Society ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs>http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgs

A lot of thank you's are due this week!! New Additions to Atoka Co. (part of Choctaw Nation) 1910 Census Index for Atoka Co. has been transcribed and submitted by Susanne Hamlet Shatto. Susanne has given us the index for the 1910 and the 1930 census. Butler Cemetery, Kathy Owens and Anita Penner have been busy with the camera and Section C of the Cemetery is now online. This now completes the sections A and C for Butler Cemetery, you will also find a map of the cemetery that will help in location the different areas in the cemetery. Thank you so very much Susanne, Kathy and Anita, what great work and additions for Atoka Co. THANK YOU Charmaine Keith Atoka Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okatoka/atoka.htm Cherokee Nation http://www.rootsweb.com/~itcherok/ Choctaw Nation http://www.rootsweb.com/~itchocta/ Delaware Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okdelawa/del.htm

Oklahoma chat 9pm Saturday - Oklahoma time. Saturday chat reminders are sent to various mailing list (check headers above) and the general public is invited. Feel free to pass the notice on to other list. Tonight's chat will be general in nature and open to anyone interested in attending. Bring your questions and we'll try to help. >>>>> Follow this link so you don't end up in another chat room. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/helplinks/chat/spinchat.htm See our SPINCHAT HOW-TO page with graphics if you need assistance. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/helplinks/chat/chat.htm If you tried to join before without success, I hope you will try again. If the name you choose to login as ask for a password, try another unique name. Some using Netscape Navigator are not able to access the page. I have 4.7 and have no problem accessing the site. Marti OKGenWeb State Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok

Due to recent isp problems, I have gone through several email address changes: My OLD addresses were: [email protected] and [email protected] My NEW email address is: [email protected] Thank You! Margie

Sunday, December 29, 2002 Vernon Herman "Bugs" BEAVERS, 78, of Fort Smith, Ark., died Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002, in Fort Smith. HAWKINS, HUNTER, SHIBLEY, He was preceded in death by his wife, Gladys M. BEAVERS. Nathan BENNETT, 73, of Vian, was born Dec. 12, 1929, in Vian, to Walter BENNETT and Sybil (BRUTON) BENNETT. He died Wednesday, Dec. 25, 2002, in Gore FAULKNER, MORRIS, PETTY, SWIMMER, ROACH, Lloyd J. CAVES, 81, of Sallisaw, died Wednesday, Dec. 25, 2002, in Fort Smith, Ark.. He was born July 4, 1921, in Pisgah, Ala., to John CAVES and Ethel (FRAZIER) CAVES. LESLIE, HEDGE, ROBBINS, BROWN, DAVIS, TINER, ROBERTSON. Cluvy Clyde COLE, 96, of Sallisaw, was born July 22, 1906, in Sallisaw, Indian Territory, to Jacob Alexander COLE and Dora Melinda (WOOD) COLE. He died Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, in Sallisaw.. He married Velma Lois JOPLIN KEITH on May 31, 1982, in Sallisaw. HUCKELBURY, MATTHEWS, CORBIT , He was preceded in death by his first wife, Clercie Mae COLE.. Vida Lou "Billie" DOWNS, 81, of Panama, was born Dec. 13, 1921. She died Thursday, Dec. 26, 2002, in Pocola. GOINES, KLAHN, FISHER, DeWITT , HAYS, Leroy ESTES, 67, of Gans, was born Feb. 4, 1935, in Newport, Ark., to William ESTES and Edith (SAPPINGTON) ESTES. He died Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002, in Sallisaw. He married Naomi (McCOY) ESTES. ELLIOTT, OGDEN, LENNOX, GOSS, TERRI, Flora B. McMURTRY, 80, of Okmulgee, formerly of Sallisaw, was born Oct. 9, 1922, in Coweta, to William E. HAND and Pearl (STOUT) HAND. She died Saturday, Dec. 21, 2002, in Tulsa. SLATER, LEMONS, LARREMORE, MERRILL, KENT, TONEKING; She was preceded in death by her husband, Lester McMURTRY. Reba Marie NICHOLS, 83, of Wagoner, was born July 19, 1919, in Miami, to L.M. and Dorothy BOOKER. She died Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, in Wagoner. FLEMING, CORLEY, HOGAN, PARKS, MORGAN, THOMPSON, BOOKER. Her husband of 55 years, Elmer NICHOLS preceded her in death;. Donald PHILLIPS, 67, of Lindsay, was born Nov. 16, 1935, in Goldsby, to Oscar L. and Nora A. (SKINNER) PHILLIPS. He died Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, in Lindsay. He married Sylvia STACEY on Oct. 30, 1987, in Denton, Texas. CAMPBELL, STEPHENS, SHOATE, KILLIAN, CAVALERO, BALLARD, Robbie Jean (HUMPHREY) RANDOLPH, 63, of Wichita, Kan., formerly of Sallisaw, was born May 27, 1939, in Sallisaw, to Lester and Minnie Lee HUMPHREY. She died Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, in Wesley Hospital in Wichita. She married Boyce RANDOLPH of Sallisaw, on May 31, 1958. OGDON, Max W. ROSS, 97, of Van Buren, Ark., was born April 3, 1905 in Danville, Ark. She died Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, in a local nursing home. SPRUILL, CERTAIN, SOOTER, She was preceded in death by her husband, Leo ROSS. Clara M. RUSSELL, 89, of North Little Rock, Ark., formerly of Sallisaw, was born April 21, 1913, in Stilwell, to Edward WARREN and Ruby (RAY) WARREN. She died Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002, in Arkansas Hospice Center in North Little Rock. TAYLOR, Mary SIMONS, 86, of Vian, was born Nov. 16, 1916, in Des Moines, Iowa, to William HOWELL and Mamie (TURNIPSEED) HOWELL. She died Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002, in Vian. Mrs. SIMONS married Bob SIMONS on May 25, 1963, in Lexington Park, Md. PLEW, Edith Irene WEITZ, 82, of Canadian, was born Sept. 3, 1920, in Hanna, to Benjamin Franklin and Bessie Hester (DRENNEN) NULL. She died Sunday, Dec. 22, 2002, in her home.. She married Henry T. WEITZ on May 24, 1941, in Checotah. BROWN, LOVITT, FRANKLIN, BURWELL, ARTERBERRY, SANDERS, NULL, ADAMS, LAME.

Can't wait to go look at it :) Dumb question........what area does Tulsa Co. cover (this way I don't get too excited or disappointed if I don't hit pay dirt) Thanks Alli :) Researching: ABRAM, McCALL, McKAY, ADAMS, LOVELL, WHITE, THOMPSON, JOHNSON, PHARISS Indep. Educational Children's Book Consultant www.ubah.com/D1525 Brand New Indep. Pampered Chef Consultant www.pamperedchef.com Indep. AdvoCare Distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:13 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Tulsa Co OK, Marriage Index > The beginning of the index of marriage records (grooms) for Tulsa Co OK 1907-1930 is now up. This is an on-going project so there is not much up yet but if you're interested please take a look. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 click on Marriages > > Enjoy > > Linda > homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas > MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ > TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > MuskogeeCoOk: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmuskog > SurnameLists: H.A.A.S/H.A.S.S. L.E.W.A.L.L.E.N > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm >

The beginning of the index of marriage records (grooms) for Tulsa Co OK 1907-1930 is now up. This is an on-going project so there is not much up yet but if you're interested please take a look. http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 click on Marriages Enjoy Linda homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 MuskogeeCoOk: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmuskog SurnameLists: H.A.A.S/H.A.S.S. L.E.W.A.L.L.E.N

I'm wondering if anybody knew my grandfather's half brother, George Gorden (or Gorden). He was born about 1885 in Arkansas, son of W.H. (Henry) Gordon and Mary J. (Renfro) Gordon. George had a daughter named Lela, and my mother corresponded with Lela up to about 1959, and at that time Lela lived in Sallisaw, Oklahoma. I believe her father George also lived there. Unfortunately, I don't know who Lela married nor her married surname. I found an SSDI record of a George Gordon who died in Ninnekah about 1970 and I've verified that's NOT the one I'm looking for. I'd love to get in touch with any Lela or her descendants or George's. Can anybody help? Bev Graham

Our OKGenWeb Coordinators have been very busy this month. Hope you'll take the time to visit and to remember to thank them for all their hard work. Dennis - The 1910 Census for Mill Creek, Johnston County, OK is now up and running at this link: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmurray/Resources/census_of_murray_county.htm> Sheridan & Becky Waurika News 1906 (Jan thru Dec.), Jefferson Co. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okjeffer/waurikanewsthrudec1906.htm> Charmaine Butler Cemetery, Atoka Co. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okatoka/cemeteries/butler_cemetery.htm> Margie Etter Comanche Co. Paradise Valley Cemetery is now online <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcomanc/> Sharon Mc 1915 Railroad map for the state of Oklahoma <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/rr-maplinks.html> principal highways in 1915 has also been added: <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/us-highways-1915.htm> Ron Choctaw Co. Lots more obits 1310 online now <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okchocta/obits.htm> Linda Tulsa Co newspapers (Newspapers Transcribed) <http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 > Muskogee Co & McIntosh Co newspapers - (newspapers abstracts)

The results on this end is depends on which email program I use to read the message. I've read that adding "<" before and ">" after the URL will word wrap in any email program and not break the clickable link. Guess we'll test it here. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/rr-maplinks.html> If nothing else, we've all had a good lesson in understanding URLs. <g> Marti = = = Original message = = = You have to go into your settings and turn off word wrap when composing. This worked when I sent it to myself. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/rr-maplinks.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: [OK-Coordinators] Maps 'n' More > Sharon: > Neither of these URL's work for me . I get the familiar message " Page > cannot be found" Message > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:38 PM > Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: [OK-Coordinators] Maps 'n' More > > > > Oops! It appears that these URLs are too long to come through the copy & > > paste process intact. I'll try sending them another way: > > > > <A > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/us-hi > ghways-1915.htm">U.S. Highways 1915</A> > > > > <A > HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/xref-transportation/rr-ma > plinks.html">Railroad Maps</A> > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > Sharon McAllister > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Indian Pioneer Papers http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== Oklahoma Vital Records Information - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html Oklahoma Census Records - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

When insuring that the full address is copied on to the bar line ... it worked for me. It just has to end in the html to work for that address. At first, it didn't want to copy it all but just type it in as is. I had no trouble. Shelia

Thanks to everyone for the feedback. Clearly, the long-term solution is to go back to abbreviations for lower-level file names. In the meantime, I'll try the URL for the Transportation Section itself: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/okprojects/transportation.htm This page has links to the new regional maps and new highway map, as well as the transcriptions of railroad stations and summary of older trails. Sharon McAllister