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No bonnie, you can claim to be part Indian (I am part Cherokee) but to become an acknowledged tribal member of say the Cherokee Nation in Okla. your ancestor's (direct) have to be on the Dawes Roll. Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Isn't it true that to clain that you are part Indian, and ancestery had to > apply to the tribe.

> Unless your people are on the Dawes Rolls you are not legally Indian. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. Just because you can not find your ancestor's on Dawes or any other Roll does not mean that "you are not Legally Indian". Not finding your ancestor's on the Dawes or Baker or any Roll just means that your ancestors chose not to be counted by the Government. It also makes it harder for you to become a Tribal Member of the Cherokee Nation (Okla) or the Eastern Band of Cherokee (if they aren't found on the Baker Roll) (In N.C) You might have full blood Indian Heritage, but you will most likely not ever be legally a Cherokee. You will most likely not ever be able to REGISTER with the Cherokee Nation or the Eastern Band of Cherokee w/o your ancestor's being on the proper rolls for each Tribe. Alli

I stand corrected and glad to hear that. Raymonda

I believe it does make a difference what degree of Cherokee you are . I think you have to be 1/4 or more to recieve benefits such as medical , school and job training. There is also housing assistance and food. Raymonda

My dad and his father got government checks from 1946-1957. They were little bitty pieces of paper-that they had to take to a bank to cash. They called a Judge in Oklahoma (still an attorney there-Vestor Songer). He told them they were for tools they never received. My dad's grandma (his fathers mom) told the family they were part Cherokee. My dad's mom-who died when he was 5, was married first to a Choctaw named James Wesley-my grandpas' name was Ted Miller. They just assumed it was Indian money of sorts, and kept the money (very small amounts- $8-$15 each check). The checks stopped coming after my granddad died in 1957. I emailed several oil companies-to see if that is what they were-and the oil companies said that they do not have records for back then. Sandy [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > I have heard many people tell me that they are enough Cherokee blood to be > drawing Oil Royalties. Can someone please explain, (In simple terms!) what > this means? Also, some have told me that if you are a certain blood degree > there are alot of benifits to be living in the Cherokee Nation. What is meant > by that? > But I am really curious about the oil royalties thing. > Thank you in advance. > Rebecca Wa Chi > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >

Hi, Yes I had to prove my ancestry. I had to show proof that I was directly related to someone on the Dawes Rolls. This person was my maternal grandmother who was an original enrollee. She was born in 1900 in Vian, IT. Thanks for the question, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > Excuse the quesiton, but did you have to prove the ancestry? Living in the > area would help. When we lived in UT, we knew a Navajo minister who reached > the Utes and Navajoes who came and went from the Reservation. They used our > church on Sunday afternoons for a worship service. > Carole Beth > [email protected]

In a message dated 1/13/2003 2:26:49 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Connie- you are so lucky to live in that area! > Actually, I grew up there, but moved to Oklahoma 12 years ago. All of my family is still in East TN though, and I visit as often as I can. I will be heading there later this week! Connie

I have heard many people tell me that they are enough Cherokee blood to be drawing Oil Royalties. Can someone please explain, (In simple terms!) what this means? Also, some have told me that if you are a certain blood degree there are alot of benifits to be living in the Cherokee Nation. What is meant by that? But I am really curious about the oil royalties thing. Thank you in advance. Rebecca Wa Chi

Same answer here too Dennis ... lots more! Shelia Meandering in Minnesota Meadows [email protected]

Excuse the quesiton, but did you have to prove the ancestry? Living in the area would help. When we lived in UT, we knew a Navajo minister who reached the Utes and Navajoes who came and went from the Reservation. They used our church on Sunday afternoons for a worship service. Carole Beth [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > Hello, as far as Cherokees are concerned the quantum does not matter. I am > 1/16 and still receive medical/dental care and my son (1/32) received help > with his college and gets the same medical care. In fact I worked at > Hasting IHS hospital in Tahlequah and we treated people who were 1/512 > Cherokee. Hope this helps, Debbie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > > > > I believe it does make a difference what degree of Cherokee you are . I > > think you have to be 1/4 or more to recieve benefits such as medical , > school > > and job training. > > There is also housing assistance and food. > > > > Raymonda > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > > Oklahoma Census Records - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Online sources for locating a Town or County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/locatetown.htm > >

Hello, as far as Cherokees are concerned the quantum does not matter. I am 1/16 and still receive medical/dental care and my son (1/32) received help with his college and gets the same medical care. In fact I worked at Hasting IHS hospital in Tahlequah and we treated people who were 1/512 Cherokee. Hope this helps, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > I believe it does make a difference what degree of Cherokee you are . I > think you have to be 1/4 or more to recieve benefits such as medical , school > and job training. > There is also housing assistance and food. > > Raymonda > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > Oklahoma Census Records - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > >

When I posted my message, I had only seen 1/2 of the video. It concluded with the carving up of the Cherokee land. A woman Muskogee by ancestry said that her mother/family was given useless land. Said it had no egress. Others reported that Indians were forced to write wills ceding their land to Whites. The people were found dead shortly there after. Oh well, have said enough. We believe that David is 1/8 AA, but we have no proof. We don't even know exact names. Wish there was DNA to prove it. Best wishes to all working on their AA ancestry. The men were Major Ridge, John Ross, Elias Boudinot. A GA site says that Major Ridge lead them to "acculturation." Carole Beth [email protected] San Antonio, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > I have heard many people tell me that they are enough Cherokee blood to be > drawing Oil Royalties. Can someone please explain, (In simple terms!) what > this means? Also, some have told me that if you are a certain blood degree > there are alot of benifits to be living in the Cherokee Nation. What is meant > by that? > But I am really curious about the oil royalties thing. > Thank you in advance. > Rebecca Wa Chi > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm > >

Hi Rebecca, I am a Cherokee tribal member and have never received oil royalties. I believe the only tribe in OK to get this are the Osage. As far as benefits to living in the Cherokee Nation, it doesn't matter what degree of blood you have, we are all treated the same. The major benefit to living in the Cherokee Nation is getting to live here. We have some beautiful lands with lots of water. I love living here. Debbie (Wa-do-lay-si) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > I have heard many people tell me that they are enough Cherokee blood to be > drawing Oil Royalties. Can someone please explain, (In simple terms!) what > this means? Also, some have told me that if you are a certain blood degree > there are alot of benifits to be living in the Cherokee Nation. What is meant > by that? > But I am really curious about the oil royalties thing. > Thank you in advance. > Rebecca Wa Chi > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm > >

I grew up in Eastern KY but I never heard of it either. I found out online when I tried to find out something on the French and Indian War. I was not lucky on that but I did get to read a lot about "The Trail of Tears" and how horrid it was, as one story was told through the eyes of a young Indian boy who lost both his parents on this Trail. So Sad. Charlotte

It was taught in my high school in Oklahoma and there is a lot more to the story than they could put into a video. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "skscofield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > Carole- > Until two years ago-I had not read the Trail of Tears-it is not taught > in American History classes. MANY American people have NO idea as to > what took place. It is not something the American History /Government , > wants taught in our education system, for obvious reasons. > > So if someone, even quite by accident, learns, now, yesterday, or > tomorrow- it is knowledge that should encouraged. I am glad you saw the > video. > Sandy [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Millard New" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM > > Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > > > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our > library. > > It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of > Major > > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written > language > > for them. > > > > > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I > had > > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to > my > > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > > > > > How The West Was Lost II > > > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > > > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > > > Distributed Enterprises Group > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > > > Oklahoma Census Records - > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Saturday at 9pm-10pm CST > >>>>>>>> OKGenWeb Chat <<<<<<<< > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/helplinks/chat/chat.htm >

In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:45:41 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > it is not taught > in American History classes. MANY American people have NO idea as to > what took place. It is not something the American History /Government , > wants taught in our education system, for obvious reasons Actually, it was taught in my history classes in Tennessee. Maybe because many of the Native Americans were from the TN/GA/NC area. My GGG Grandfather settled on land before 1838 that was previously inhabited by the Cherokee. Connie

Great, I am glad then. I don't remember Cherokees being in Texas. I heard of it, but studying the how and why, etc, no. Of course, this told from the Indian perspective. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:45:41 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > it is not taught > > in American History classes. MANY American people have NO idea as to > > what took place. It is not something the American History /Government , > > wants taught in our education system, for obvious reasons > > Actually, it was taught in my history classes in Tennessee. Maybe because > many of the Native Americans were from the TN/GA/NC area. My GGG Grandfather > settled on land before 1838 that was previously inhabited by the Cherokee. > > Connie > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:[email protected] > >

Yes, I had "heard" of the Trail of Tears. Even in hs US and college history don't remember learning much if anything abt it. But didn't know much if anything about it. According to this so many Cherokees died of sickness. Horrible treatment. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Millard New" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM > Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > > > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. > It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language > for them. > > > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > > > How The West Was Lost II > > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > > Distributed Enterprises Group > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > > Oklahoma Census Records - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > > > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - The Place To Start Your Oklahoma Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > >

I've always thought the various tribes and clans should write "American history" from their perspective. What interesting reading that would be. shirley Carole Beth Arnette wrote: > Great, I am glad then. I don't remember Cherokees being in Texas. I heard > of it, but studying the how and why, etc, no. Of course, this told from the > Indian perspective.