In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:40:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Carol-What were your husbands family's names who were Cherokee, and > where were they from? > Do you have any Birth dates, other information, about them? > Where any of the surnames-Williams/Gentry/Emery/Buffington/Due/Grant? > Sandy [email protected] I have those surnames in my tree. Jenny Due, Ludvic Grant, Susannah Emory, William and Mary Emory. just a few. Rebecca

In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:58:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. It > was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language > for them. > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > How The West Was Lost II > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > Distributed Enterprises Group Major Ridge played a big part in the Cherokee Nation and was executed for having sold land that he wasnt supposed to. (something like that). Sequoyah AKA George Guess or Gist wrote the Cherokee Syllabary and taught it to the Cherokee people.. Rebecca Wa Chi.

In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:58:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Are we talking about the Badlands of South Dakota? > > Shelia I dont think so. I think it refers to Texas. I know there are the Badlands of South Dakota also. R

In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:58:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Here is a webpage that lists members of the James-Younger Gang. I did a > quick look and didn't see a match, but you might look at it closer. > > http://www.islandnet.com/~the-gang/bio.htm > > > Gene Thank you!

At 02:40 PM 1/13/2003 -0700, [email protected] wrote: >OKGEN-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 14 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["Millard New" > <[email protected]] > #2 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["skscofield" > <[email protected]] > #3 Fw: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["skscofield" > <[email protected]] > #4 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video [[email protected]] > #5 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["Carole Beth Arnette" > <[email protected]] > #6 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["Carole Beth Arnette" > <[email protected]] > #7 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["skscofield" > <[email protected]] > #8 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video [[email protected]] > #9 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video [Shirley <[email protected]>] > #10 Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video ["Dennis Muncrief" > <[email protected]] > #11 [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question [[email protected]] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from OKGEN-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:23:49 -0600 >From: "Millard New" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Are you saying that you have never heard of "The Trail of Tears?" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 AM >Subject: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video The Trail of Tears were indeed taught in OK schools, and in fact are still being taught, and the person that developed the written language for them was Sequoyah, or George Guess. What he came up with was not an alphabet, but rather a syllabary, where each symbol stands for a combination of sounds. Sequoyah's syllabary contains eighty-six characters. It was indeed a travesty that so many suffered on the Trail Of Tears, but to say it is forgotten is not true. I suppose that it is much like any other state's history, this is Ok and we were taught the History, if you are in another state then we were not taught it. I am sure that all the states involved in the removing of the Indians, were taught the History. I am going to say we were taught the entire History because OK is where they ended up, so we got the compleat course, as opposed to some that may have been taught only their states part in that history. There is a vast amount of history, that has been published on the web. If you wish to learn more just go to google and type in Oklahome and Trail Of Tears. You can even find a picture of Sequoyah, and a lot of information on his cabin. I have been there many times. Lorene > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. >It was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major >Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW >Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language >for them. > >

Texas does have some bad land, but not Badlands" as such. We have the desert in far west Texas. Carole Beth San Antonio ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Digest V03 #13 > In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:58:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Are we talking about the Badlands of South Dakota? > > > > Shelia > > I dont think so. I think it refers to Texas. > > I know there are the Badlands of South Dakota also. > > R > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

Oh wow, the name VAUGHT is my connection from East Tennessee but the name with the Cherokee wife is, John TWEEDLE who's daughter married a VAUGHT in Arkansas, Montgomery County, Mt. Ida - Caddo Gap. The Katie (Mississippi) and John TWEEDLE were married abt. 1830 somewhere between AL, MS or even TN, AR ... see my DeadEnd? Shelia >Well said Alli :o)! my great great great grandmother >was a Cherokee from Tennessee. She married a John C. Faught in Claiborne >County, Mississippi in 1828. She eventually with her husband and children >lived in Hot Springs, Garland County, Arkansas. Her memories are instilled in >my DNA and for one am very proud to have them. >Barb Ahrendt

Thank you for the Cherokee alphabet info. The video stated that Ross, Ridge and Boudinot were all murdered at basically the same time in different fashions. Each betrayed the Cherokees. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Video > In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:58:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Quite accidently my husband David checked out a video from our library. It > > was terrible story of the Georgia Cherokees. I had never heard of Major > > Ridge and 2 men. Was the story of how the Cherokees settled in NC/NW > > Georgia. They created a constitution. Someone created a written language > > for them. > > > > Then the fed govt forced them into what is now Oklahoma. Folks, I had > > never, never heard the story. It is abominable. It said that some > > Cherokees remained in Georgia. Video was particularly interesting to my > > husband as he had Cherokee ancestors. > > > > How The West Was Lost II > > Vol 2: The Trail of Tears > > Director: Chris Wheeler (c) 1995 > > Distributed Enterprises Group > > Major Ridge played a big part in the Cherokee Nation and was executed for > having sold land that he wasnt supposed to. (something like that). Sequoyah > AKA George Guess or Gist wrote the Cherokee Syllabary and taught it to the > Cherokee people.. > Rebecca Wa Chi. > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > PhotoGallery - http://marti.rootsweb.com/photogallery/index.htm > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ > >

In a message dated 1/13/2003 6:20:55 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > You will most likely not ever be able to REGISTER with the Cherokee Nation > or the Eastern Band of Cherokee w/o your ancestor's being on the proper > rolls for each Tribe. > Alli, please explain the difference between being legally a member of the tribe, and thus, legally an Indian, and registering with the tribe. I am confused.Thanks, Leona

In a message dated 1/13/03 6:41:04 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The "benefit" from being a Tribal member is what you learn & seek from your > heart.......not what you can gain for your wallet. > Alli :) > Well said Alli :o)! my great great great grandmother was a Cherokee from Tennessee. She married a John C. Faught in Claiborne County, Mississippi in 1828. She eventually with her husband and children lived in Hot Springs, Garland County, Arkansas. Her memories are instilled in my DNA and for one am very proud to have them. Barb Ahrendt

Joyce, according to the video when the GA people were first moved they were forced in a fortress like structure. Many of them died from malnutrition, lack of sanitation, etc. Some were "herded" into groups. Absolute squalor. Mans inhumanity to man. Just the images and the dialogue was terrible. Reminded of what I heard as a child, "A good Indian is a dead Indian." Many of the whites simply want to eradicate them. Acc to this, their communal ownership of their land even in Oklahoma was horrenous to the white man. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Trail of Tears > Like Connie I was born and raised in Tennessee....south east Tennessee where the Cherokee always resided. Unlike her, I still live > here. I can't not remember hearing and knowing about the Trail of Tears. I live just a few miles from Nancy Ward's grave site. > Our driveway is about 150 yards in length. Just beside it is an 'un-natural' dip in the ground. I have since learned via a > University of Tennessee professor that it was an old wagon path used before and during the Removal. Walk on these hallowed grounds > and see what you feel. I have walked, many times, in the sacred grounds of Chota, Chilhowee, Hiwassee and all the other villages. > If you open your heart and mind you can listen to your ancestors, feel their happiness & sadness. It's like a feeling of being away > from home a long time and then returning...you just feel 'at home'. > > Joyce Gaston Reece > Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, > Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, > Hembree, Hemby. > Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, > Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, > Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Saturday at 9pm-10pm CST > >>>>>>>> OKGenWeb Chat <<<<<<<< > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/helplinks/chat/chat.htm > >

Thanks had never read that. Right on. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "bilwalsh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: RE: [OKGEN ] Disturbing Video > I don't know who it was but there is a quote: > > "Histories are written by the victors." > > > (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) > Billie and Tracie Walsh > The three best words in the English Language: > "I LOVE YOU" > Pass them on! > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:[email protected] > >

I don't know who it was but there is a quote: "Histories are written by the victors." (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie and Tracie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on!

In a message dated 1/13/2003 5:20:14 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Isn't it true that to claim that you are part Indian, and ancestry had to > apply to the tribe. I know I am part Indian, but not what degree, as my > A survey showed that a large percentage of Americans claim Cherokee heritage. Lots of people get into genealogy because they thing there are benefits and a pot of gold at the end of the line. Unless your people are on the Dawes Rolls you are not legally Indian. You might have full blood Indian Heritage, but you will most likely not ever be legally a Cherokee. A great lady explained it to me this way. You had to live in Indian Territory and register with the Dawes Commission to be a tribal member. If you left the Territory it was the equivalent of a German leaving his country and emigrating to the US, a foreign country.He was no longer eligible for German benefits. Hope this helps, and if anyone can explain it better or if I am wrong, please correct me.Leona

Isn't it true that to clain that you are part Indian, and ancestery had to apply to the tribe. I know I am part Indian, but not what degree, as my grandmother and also grandfather were part Indian. I believe that a great Uncle had to help, with removal of the Indians from Ala., Guess that made him feel quite bad, as he was part Indian. Bonnie

Same here for relationship and when you have BrickWalls with DeadEnds ... it's awful hard to prove hearsay. I know that listed in and on both sides of my family are Indians. Cherokee and Choctaw. But and it's a rather big BUTT, the Cherokee is listed as such: Katie [Cherokee Indian from Mississippi] Then, I get this one as a listing, Unknown first name' for father of HARVESTON / HARBERSON / HARBISON, 1/2 Choctaw Indian and 1/2 Swedish ... I didn't even know there were Swedes in the South during the late 1700's and early 1800's ... did you guys know that? Surprised me!! :o) Shelia Meandering in Minnesota Meadows [email protected]

Thanks I enjoyed that first page very much as I had often wondered how the American Indian Elders felt about us now I know. Charlotte

Like Connie I was born and raised in Tennessee....south east Tennessee where the Cherokee always resided. Unlike her, I still live here. I can't not remember hearing and knowing about the Trail of Tears. I live just a few miles from Nancy Ward's grave site. Our driveway is about 150 yards in length. Just beside it is an 'un-natural' dip in the ground. I have since learned via a University of Tennessee professor that it was an old wagon path used before and during the Removal. Walk on these hallowed grounds and see what you feel. I have walked, many times, in the sacred grounds of Chota, Chilhowee, Hiwassee and all the other villages. If you open your heart and mind you can listen to your ancestors, feel their happiness & sadness. It's like a feeling of being away from home a long time and then returning...you just feel 'at home'. Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, Hembree, Hemby. Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN.

Rebecca and all who are interested, Here are a few sites to check out: http://users.rcn.com/wovoka/dissertation.html http://www.cherokee.org/Culture/HistoryPage.asp?ID=14> http://www.geocities.com/bigorrin/cher.htm http://napanews.tripod.com/id39.htm http://www.thefurtrapper.com/indian_disease.htm http://members.tripod.com/TopCat4/frame.htm Also, read "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee". Becky York

Rebecca, A lot of this could also be answered on the mutual list we're on, but I don't believe the Cherokee Tribe draws Oil money, but you could find out for sure by connecting the Cherokee Nation of Okla. either via their web site or by calling them. I'm curious about the "benefits" your asking about. There is no financial gain from living in the Cherokee Nation.......being a tribal member helps you to get some medical, housing & food benefits & some Educational. You have to live w/in the Cherokee Tribal boundaries to get any help w/housing & food. Depending on the State you may or may not be recognized (even as a Tribe member) to get any Medical (For instance: Idaho doesn't acknowledge your tribal card, but Nevada does). There isn't any money that you will get for being a Tribe member (from what I was told from the office) and there are some scholarship's given out by the CNO & it may help you get looked at more closely for Pell grants for College......but doesn't guarantee them. The "benefit" from being a Tribal member is what you learn & seek from your heart.......not what you can gain for your wallet. Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Question > I have heard many people tell me that they are enough Cherokee blood to be > drawing Oil Royalties. Can someone please explain, (In simple terms!) what > this means? Also, some have told me that if you are a certain blood degree > there are alot of benifits to be living in the Cherokee Nation. What is meant > by that? > But I am really curious about the oil royalties thing. > Thank you in advance. > Rebecca Wa Chi > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >