You might want to check out Emmett Starr's books about the Cherokees. They are available in most libraries. Pat

How about a link to your site????? Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, Hembree, Hemby. Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] YORK > That's me. My grandaughter will be 2 on Feb. 16 - already!! > > And yes, I have the Url of York website. > > I've been on this list for a few years now. Just don't say much. > > Becky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> > > > > > Becky: > > > > Is this the one that is researching and has the website? Idaho? Just > became Grandma within the last year? > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > Oklahoma Census Records - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm >

My family has always said that one of the greats was born on the Trail of Tears. Don't know. Do know that I had some family in OK that had oil wells that the government paid to keep them capped. I now live in Tennessee and have found a lot of information in the local libraries on the Trail of Tears.

Becky: Can you tell how long I've been on the list [looking for YORK - relations in Okla] to of known those few facts over you too? *lol* <wink> Shelia

Did anyone get the chance to view the movie that I believe Kelsey Grammar created? It was on twice that I know of Sunday night. It showed how the Revolution effected the country and in particular a single man by the name of Benedict ARNOLD! It was absolutely fascinating and interesting if he based all his details and facts about Arnold in the movie from information gathered through Genealogy and History!? It was fabulous if not accurate in it's portrayal of and then his ultimate betrayal of the country, by a famous name from our own history books. Shelia Bachelder [email protected] EMERY, MITCHELL, HARBISON, YORK, VAUGHT, TWEEDLE, HATFIELD TRIMBLE, SMITH, BAKER, HOLDREN, McCOY, SHIMER, LANTZ BACHELDER, AUDET, MERRIMAN, RAYMOND, SIMS, BELANGER, COPELAND

Becky: Is this the one that is researching and has the website? Idaho? Just became Grandma within the last year? >That would be Syliva Kranik. She's also a potential YORK cousin, right >Shelia.? >BTW, Shelia, I like your name. I've never heard or seen that variation >before. Not Sheila but SHELIA. >My names are YORKs and STEWARTs in OK. They lived all over the bottom half >of the state but seems mostly in Jefferson, Stephens, Pontotoc, and Carter >counties. I don't know of Indian roots with the YORKs yet, but my paternal >grandfather married a Cherokee woman, Hattie Juanita LEE, b. Brown Co., TX. >Also have COLEY, COUCH, LEE, TUNSTALL's in TX. >Becky< I BLAME my mother for that spelling and have paid for it twice over through the explanation as to WHY! *LOL* Mom felt, 'yes' ... mother knows best ... *lol* that the traditional spelling of Sheila was incorrect and that my spelling, which is how she spelled it on the birth certificate and forever more is the correct spelling. No, it didn't dawn on her that she was incorrect. *lol* Oh well, all mother's make mistakes with their children. I just never imagined it to be over a simple case of spelling. *lol* Then, the majority of you have seen my last name ... currently, it has over 54 different variations of spelling and the topics over that thing is enough to dwarf my first name issues. "Grin and Bare It". Should be my quote for life! :o) Shelia C. BACHELDER (pronounced as a single guy - BACHELO[E]R) another form of spelling! :o)

I would like a lookup please for; Oliver Grove, born 1872, IL. He was living near Mutual. If possible, I would also like names of families living in surrounding Homesteads. Donnie

That's me. My grandaughter will be 2 on Feb. 16 - already!! And yes, I have the Url of York website. I've been on this list for a few years now. Just don't say much. Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> > Becky: > > Is this the one that is researching and has the website? Idaho? Just became Grandma within the last year? >

Sunday, January 5, 2003 Rev. Lee "Sonny" CALDWELL, 83, of Vian, was born May 6, 1919, in Bluff community, to Sam CALDWELL and Lucy CALDWELL. He died Thursday, Dec. 26, 2002, in Tahlequah. He married Veda WATERS on July 30, 1940, in Sallisaw. SCOTT, Christine J. CAVES, 69, of Sallisaw, was born Dec. 26, 1933, in Pine Bluff, Ark., to Katherine HELM . She died Wednesday, Jan. 1, 2003, in Sallisaw. MANOUS, GIRTY, MEGINESS, Donald Ray CHRONITSTER, 49, of Roland, was born March 30, 1953, in Charleston, Ark., to Wallace and Pauline CHRONISTER. He died Saturday, Dec. 28, 2002, in Roland. RANNEY, JONES, Matthew Gene DAVISON, 19, of Vian, was born Jan. 11, 1983, in Tahlequah, to Ronald Gene DAVISON and Debbie (ROLSTON) CATO. He died Friday, Dec. 27, 2002, in Sallisaw. He married Chasity ROSS on July 6, 2002, in Vian. DETELLO, BREWER Thelma HAWKINS, 77, who died Dec. 30 at her daughter's home in Oologah. Born Dec. 22, 1925, in El Paso, Texas. SCOTT, . Margaret Ann HOUSE, 60, of Alma, Ark., died Thursday, Dec. 26, 2002, in Alma. DUNCAN, ALMOND, CASTEEL, . Ruth A. KENNEDY, 71, of Pocola, was born June 17, 1931, in West Virginia, to Coble BURROUGHS and Maysel (WOODS) BURROUGHS. She died Wednesday, Jan. 1, 2003, in Pocola.. Mrs. KENNEDY married Albert J. KENNEDY on May 12, 1951, in Pickett, Ark. He preceded her in death on Oct. 9, 1999. WATERBURY, FANN, CAPPS, Patsy Ruth McDONALD, 78, of Sallisaw, was born June 18, 1924, in Higgins, to James W. HANNA and Edna Marie (JACOB) HANNA. She died Thursday, Dec. 26, 2002, in Vian. She married George McDONALD on March 12, 1960, in Wichita, Kan. GARCIA, WALTERS, LONG, MERCER, HANEY, SANGER Opal PHILPOT, 89, of Sallisaw, was born Jan. 23, 1913, in Brushy community, to Marvin Lee PHILPOT and Bartie Elizabeth (BREWER) PHILPOT. She died Tuesday, Dec. 31, 2002, in Vian. JAMISON, PERRYMAN, CHANDLER Sim Simon WATTS, 91, of Gore, was born Dec. 13, 1911, in Bear Creek, Ark., to James Ausborn WATTS and Ann Melinda Jane (KING) WATTS. He died Sunday, Dec. 29, 2002, in Sequoyah Memorial Hospital in Sallisaw. He married Helen APPLEGATE in Braggs 66 years ago. TREADWELL, CHISUM, DAVIS, MANNON,ROGERS. John Franklin WHISENHUNT, 51, of Roland, was born Dec. 12, 1951, in Fort Smith, Ark., to Leroy WHISENHUNT and Wilma Ethel (MONTGOMERY) WHISENHUNT. He died Sunday, Dec. 29, 2002, in Roland. Mr. WHISENHUNT married Brenda Faye ALLEN on May 23, 1991, in Hot Springs, Ark. FREEMAN, OELKE

Sounds like a bunch of cousins have found each other. I am also descended from Emory, Grant, Buffington, etc. Love to hear directly from anyone who would like to share. Pat Kramer

I don't care about benefits!!! I'd just love to know my Indian heritage. Until I began genealogy research the Trail of Tears was a sad story about someone else, in another time, with no relevance to me. I didn't care about history (an attitude common to the young). Now, with recent study, I realize my great-grandmother was probably in the Trail of Tears (or her parents were). It's a trail that dead-ends, because no one living remembers (or ever knew) enough to make the connections. My mother and her sister are 80 and 84, respectively, and they think we are Cherokee, but they don't know how much or even for sure from which ancestor. It just wasn't popular to be Indian in my parents' youth. The Indian blood probably came through my great-grandmother, Mary J. Renfro, who may or may not have been married to my great-grandfather Whaley. What's certain is that they had a son, Jesse Monroe WHALEY, in Arkansas in 1877. Jesse died as a young father, in 1924. Pretty much whatever he knew died with him. He was once offered Indian land but didn't take it; we don't know if that was in Arkansas prior to 1919 or in Oklahoma the 5 years he lived here before he died. According to oral history he refused the land because his half brother George Gordon wasn't offered any. Nothing documents Jesse's life except the census and a gravestone and the fact that he did have a wife and children; by the same token, nothing documents Mary Renfro's life except the 1880 census and a marriage license to W.H. Gordon. This gap in our family history has a lot to say about the plight of Indians in American history. Maybe Mary RENFRO wasn't "important" enough to have history preserved about her? I could tell another story, about the same dearth of information from my dad 's line, where we also have Indian blood (SLIMP name and/or CRONISTER), probably Cherokee. There are just no details to find the Indian heritage of any of these people. Judging from family photos, I'd say a full-blood Indian relative is no more than 3-4 generations ago on each side. Shame on our American history...and isn't it funny that we now presume to be the world's policemen on human rights. Bev Graham > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:[email protected] >

If you have Indian blood in your tree....you are part Indian. The amt. will be unknown until you find the ancestor that first married into Indian blood. To be a 'legal member' of a Federally Recognized Indian Tribe (Cherokee Nation of Okla., Eastern Band of Cherokee for example) you have to have a direct ancestor on the Dawes Roll or the Revised Baker Roll of 1924. Now...The CNO goes by the direct link on the Dawes Roll. The Eastern Band of Cherokee goes off of the Baker Roll 1924. BUT!!! To be a registered card carrying member of the Eastern Band you would of had to 1) had ancestor's on that Roll, 2) be registered at birth or 3) registered by your 18th Birthday. Otherwise you will not be a "registered Tribal member". Because once they opened their casino they closed their registration to prevent just "anybody" from being a member & getting a Casino check. I don't know if you can get "recognized" or "registered" w/o receiving benefits. But I'm sure they'd have something on their web site. I'm not sure about the Eastern Band, but with the CNO you can get a CDIB card....which is Certificate Degree of Indian Blood (or something like that...not sure what the C...stands for..been too long) and then this enables you to "benefits" I believe there's also a Tribal Card....but I'm not sure if that's just to acknowledge your Blood.(I have to dig thru my papers to get it all straight) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > Alli, please explain the difference between being legally a member of the > tribe, and thus, legally an Indian, and registering with the tribe. I am > confused.Thanks, Leona

Thursday, January 3, 2003 Nicholas Lane MORO, 4, of Spiro, was born Oct. 5, 1998, in Fort Smith, Ark., to Christopher John MORO and Leonda Louise BAGLEY. He died Saturday, Dec. 28, 2002, in Fort Smith. SANDS, CANNON, HAWKINS, ANDERSON, POLLARD, YOUNG,LINDSEY, ALBERT. Ken VANN, longtime Sallisaw resident , was born April 9, 1938, to Orville H. and Georgia (LEATHERS) VANN in Eldorado. VANN died Monday, Dec. 30, 2002, in a Fort Smith, Ark., He married Joy CROSS on Nov. 14, 1963, in Fort Smith. KEEN, GOSSO, GONZALES, GOLDTRAP, OSBURN

In listening to one of the Learning channels on TV not long ago about those condsidered Traitors for selling our country's secret info to another Country. In the 20th Century the penalty was death the reason I rember this is this struck me as so?? Then I thought well I guess they did this because maybe those very secrets could get a lot of thier fellow country men killed? Then like our American fighting for the Taliban in Afghanistan just last year at first the thought of punishment was death? Yet selling government secrets is a bit different but with the possible outcome is it? Sure does make one wonder? Charlotte

*G* That would be Kralik.....She's only a Kra-nik when she accidently lets garage doors hit her and lawn mowers run over her....which she has been known to do...and yes she is doing some work on the York's. If you run into a link between the Yorks and Daugherty's in southeast Tennessee please let me know. Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, Hembree, Hemby. Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] YORK > That would be Syliva Kranik. She's also a potential YORK cousin, right > Shelia.? > > BTW, Shelia, I like your name. I've never heard or seen that variation > before. Not Sheila but SHELIA. > > My names are YORKs and STEWARTs in OK. They lived all over the bottom half > of the state but seems mostly in Jefferson, Stephens, Pontotoc, and Carter > counties. I don't know of Indian roots with the YORKs yet, but my paternal > grandfather married a Cherokee woman, Hattie Juanita LEE, b. Brown Co., TX. > > Also have COLEY, COUCH, LEE, TUNSTALL's in TX. > > Becky > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <[email protected]> > > > > > Sheila > > > > Contact [email protected] > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, > > Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, > > Hembree, Hemby. > > Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, > > Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, > > Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:21 PM > > Subject: [OKGEN ] EMERY / EMORY > > > > > > > I too have an EMERY search within my hunt for YORKs and the lineage. > > > > > > My EMERY's are connected someway through the Howe, community. I believe > (?) that both boys [called EMERY] were bn in that general > > area of the state. Clifford EMERY or Theodore R. EMERY, brothers only > 1/2, to my Grandmother Jewell Dean MITCHELL ... all 3 > > children are children of Addie / Allie / Maddie-Mattie / [possibly] Maud > E. YORK, d., September 1918, Howe, Oklahoma. The death > > certificate of Grandma's states that the name is only, Addie YORK as a > maiden name ... that's all I have. Sad, Sad, Sad history to > > track. Gramma's obit lists that she was raised predominately in the Howe > Area ... doesn't say the community, doesn't say outside or > > in a neighboring town just in the area of Howe! > > > > > > Those are the names connected to each other by one person and that one > person is a YORK. > > > > > > Shelia Bachelder > > > [email protected] > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >

> I am not asking this because I want to draw anything. Or line my pockets or > whatever. Rebecca.....I never said or even hinted that was the reason for you asking.......Didn't even come into my thoughts & I'm a little surprised that you have thought this. I am just trying to get to the facts. Nothing wrong w/getting the facts.....that's why I SUGGESTED that you contact the CNO either via their website or by phone. What better way to get the facts then from the horse's mouth? was a Cherokee Princess No such thing in the Cherokee Tribe. I just asked the question to gain insight not gain financially from being a tribal member. > > Rebecca Again......I never said, stated or hinted that you were asking that question to gain anything financially. Alli

Ok, then Southern Idaho (like everything else) is behind the times & doesn't recognize the cards LOL Well, they might down here too if there was an Indian Hospital but I think I'd have to go up to Blackfoot or Idaho Falls, before that happened. :) If they taught History the way we are learning about it doing Genealogy.......I would have passed History & government w/flying colors. I'm not sure what kind of Educational help they give......but I was told it kind of puts you up front on the Pell Grant list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> > Actually, Alli, > Idaho does acknowledge tribal cards. At least this part of Idaho up here in > the North. If someone has a card and is not Coeur d'Alene tribe, they can > still go to the Tribal Clinic in Benewah County for free. , but having fun > learning! > > I'm not sure, but I think there is college help, too. But, the tribe has to > have that organized and together to help. This one doesn't seem to. My son > in law is CDA Tribe and is not getting any help from them for college. > > Becky

I don't think they truly betrayed their people....but off hand I don't remember. But I do know that there are 2 list's that I would recommend joining to 1) do your Cherokee Genealogy....there are a lot of helpful people on that list, some have rolls or books at hand that can help.....I usually offer to help to do research as I have some rolls available. the other list (which is the sister list to the Gene) talks about the Cherokee Culture before & after the White man became "involved" w/the Cherokee's more. Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Beth Arnette" <[email protected]> > Yes, all 3 betrayed their people. Their murders were heinous by today's > standards. But, as the tribe/nation met out the punishment, I can't judge. > When nations punish a person today, what method do they use? Thank you to > everyone, who shared info. > Carole Beth

Sheila Contact [email protected] Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, Hembree, Hemby. Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] EMERY / EMORY > I too have an EMERY search within my hunt for YORKs and the lineage. > > My EMERY's are connected someway through the Howe, community. I believe (?) that both boys [called EMERY] were bn in that general area of the state. Clifford EMERY or Theodore R. EMERY, brothers only 1/2, to my Grandmother Jewell Dean MITCHELL ... all 3 children are children of Addie / Allie / Maddie-Mattie / [possibly] Maud E. YORK, d., September 1918, Howe, Oklahoma. The death certificate of Grandma's states that the name is only, Addie YORK as a maiden name ... that's all I have. Sad, Sad, Sad history to track. Gramma's obit lists that she was raised predominately in the Howe Area ... doesn't say the community, doesn't say outside or in a neighboring town just in the area of Howe! > > Those are the names connected to each other by one person and that one person is a YORK. > > Shelia Bachelder > [email protected] > > Researching: HARBISON, MITCHELL, YORK, EMERY, VAUGHT, HATFIELD, TWEEDLE > all in the Southern States. > > Surnames being Researched in Northern States: TRIMBLE, BAKER, HOLDREN, SMITH, McCOY, SHIMER, LANTZ > > Others related to either side possibly in North or South: BACHELDER, AUDET, CARNAHAN, DeMOTTE, RAYMOND, BELANGER, COPELAND, SIMS > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! >

Rebecca I descend from the Emory lineage also. Joyce Gaston Reece Rootsweb mail list minder: Gilbreath, Galbreath, Raper, Knuckles, TN-Meigs, Southeast, TN., Northeast, TN., Shields, Hembree, Hemby. Ancestry Message Board Admin for: Daugherty, Galbreath, Gaston, Gilbreath, Hembree, Hemby, Knuckles, Raper, Reece, Shield, Shields & Polk Co., TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:58 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Digest V03 #14 > In a message dated 1/13/2003 1:40:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Carol-What were your husbands family's names who were Cherokee, and > > where were they from? > > Do you have any Birth dates, other information, about them? > > Where any of the surnames-Williams/Gentry/Emery/Buffington/Due/Grant? > > Sandy [email protected] > > I have those surnames in my tree. Jenny Due, Ludvic Grant, Susannah Emory, > William and Mary Emory. just a few. > > Rebecca > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Accidentally unsubscribed from the OKGenWeb list? Simply resubscribe. A > full mailbox, computer error, or spam may cause you to be unsubscribed. > mailto:[email protected] >