Well, I found a website that SAYS the Ship-High-In-Transit story is not true. Here's the link: http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/shit.htm Here's what it says: Origins: This sorry piece of codswallop about exploding ships appears to have begun its Internet life in February 2002. Its cousin, the "bad smelling steamship fuel" tale (second example quoted above), began its online life as an April 1999 post to the USENET discussion list rec.humor. Akin to the faux etymology of the word 'fuck,' a specious acronym has once again been claimed as the origin of yet another term beloved of potty-mouths everywhere. We could launch into a long, involved discussion of ancient shipping practices, methane production and properties, and Internet leg-pulls, but we'll spare you all that, as the fanciful stories listed can easily be debunked as the product of someone's wild imaginings through linguistic means. The word shit entered modern English language derived from the Old English nouns scite and the Middle Low German schite, both meaning "dung," and the Old English noun scitte, meaning "diarrhea." Our most treasured cuss word has been with us a long time, showing up in written works both as a noun and as a verb as far back as the 14th century. Scite can trace its roots back to the proto-Germanic root skit-, which brought us the German scheissen, Dutch schijten, Swedish skita, and Danish skide. Skit- comes from the Indo-European root skheid- for "split, divide, separate," thus shit is distantly related to schism and schist. (If you're wondering what a verb root for the act of separating one thing from another would have to do with excrement, it was in the sense of the body's eliminating its waste -- "separating" from it, so to speak. Sort of the opposite of today's "getting one's shit together.") Barbara "shit disturber" Mikkelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Please-someone tell me if this is TRUE or NOT: > Dear Members, > > I realize this topic is slightly off kilter, has nothing to do with our families genealogy [really] but it's a history matter and I wanted to know if anyone else at all knew about this terminology and how it was created? If true, please explain and if not true, how do I prove it? IN other words, where do I go to find the answers for this one? Shipping sources or other? > > Please, forgive the topic, I truly don't know the answer and am grinning from the explanation. I received it from another source mailing list. > Shelia > ------------------------------------------ > In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything was transported by ship. It was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas. > > As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! > > Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them, which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane. > > You probably did not know this true history of the word SHIT. > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >

In a message dated 1/16/2003 2:58:40 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Please, forgive the topic, I truly don't know the answer and am grinning > from the explanation. I received it from another source mailing list. > Shelia > ------------------------------------------ > In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything was transported by ship. It was > also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure > were common. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once > water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, the process of > fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas. > > HI Shelia, According to the Urban Legends site it is just a story - a funny one but just a story... <grin>. Give this URL a try: <A HREF="http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/bl-s-word.htm">Origin of the S-Word - Netlore Archive</A> Take care - Emma

Could I get someone to do a lookup for a John W. (Wesley) Hill in the 1910 census? He was living in Howard Co AR in 1889. William J Hill was head of house in Ark, but can't find them. If possible, I would also like names of families living in surrounding Homesteads in AR and OK. Thank you for your time and help. Gladys

Your exactly right Shirley :) Alli Researching: ABRAM, McCALL, McKAY, ADAMS, LOVELL, WHITE, THOMPSON, JOHNSON, PHARISS Indep. Educational Children's Book Consultant www.ubah.com/D1525 Brand New Indep. Pampered Chef Consultant www.pamperedchef.com Indep. AdvoCare Distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: "Indian princess" > I read somewhere that the term originated with the English in America. They > didn't know what to call the daughter of a high chief and, based on their > royalty in England, referred to her as an "Indian princess." > > shirley

Alli, Yes, I know that. I've known that for a long time. My granddaughter is a card carrying Indian baby, and she IS a PRINCESS. So there!! <grin> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Benefits > Becky, > In the True Traditional term of Indian Princess....at least > Cherokee....there is no such thing as an Indian princess. Now, in modern > times......yes there is. Its a contest...but wasn't a part of our ancestor's > "titles" > Alli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Benefits > > > > Well, Rebecca, I beg to differ with that. There is such a thing. I have > a > > granddaughter - and I gaurantee she's a little Indian Princess!! > > > > Becky > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > OKGenWeb - http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/index.htm > PhotoGallery - http://marti.rootsweb.com/photogallery/index.htm > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ >

1910 Woodward Co. Webster twp. OK Oliver E. Grove, 38, IL OH OH wife, Ethel A., 30, IL IL OH married two years, 1 child dau. Jennie E., 7 mos. OK IL IL -- The surnames I could make out of the census sheet: Gasten Birttles Allison Moon Ruse Morrison Roberts Reynolds Sharon C -- --- Donnie Fowler <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like a lookup please for; > > Oliver Grove, born 1872, IL. He was living near > Mutual. > > If possible, I would also like names of families > living in surrounding Homesteads. > Donnie > > > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html > Oklahoma Census Records - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/census.htm > ===== Sharon Burnett-Crawford, Guthrie, OK OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ Pontotoc Co.OK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpontot/pontotoc.htm Comanche Co.OK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcomanc/ __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

http://www.nansemond.nativeland.com/history.htm Sandy [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: "Indian princess" > I read somewhere that the term originated with the English in America. They > didn't know what to call the daughter of a high chief and, based on their > royalty in England, referred to her as an "Indian princess." > > shirley > > Alli wrote: > > > Becky, > > In the True Traditional term of Indian Princess....at least > > Cherokee....there is no such thing as an Indian princess. Now, in modern > > times......yes there is. Its a contest...but wasn't a part of our ancestor's > > "titles" > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >

I read somewhere that the term originated with the English in America. They didn't know what to call the daughter of a high chief and, based on their royalty in England, referred to her as an "Indian princess." shirley Alli wrote: > Becky, > In the True Traditional term of Indian Princess....at least > Cherokee....there is no such thing as an Indian princess. Now, in modern > times......yes there is. Its a contest...but wasn't a part of our ancestor's > "titles"

I love it!!! Well now we know... It's one of those questions you wonder about, you just never admit it. Hey mom? Why do they call it s$%^?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Please-someone tell me if this is TRUE or NOT: > Dear Members, > > I realize this topic is slightly off kilter, has nothing to do with our families genealogy [really] but it's a history matter and I wanted to know if anyone else at all knew about this terminology and how it was created? If true, please explain and if not true, how do I prove it? IN other words, where do I go to find the answers for this one? Shipping sources or other? > > Please, forgive the topic, I truly don't know the answer and am grinning from the explanation. I received it from another source mailing list. > Shelia > ------------------------------------------ > In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything was transported by ship. It was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas. > > As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! > > Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them, which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane. > > You probably did not know this true history of the word SHIT. > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm > >

Becky, In the True Traditional term of Indian Princess....at least Cherokee....there is no such thing as an Indian princess. Now, in modern times......yes there is. Its a contest...but wasn't a part of our ancestor's "titles" Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Benefits > Well, Rebecca, I beg to differ with that. There is such a thing. I have a > granddaughter - and I gaurantee she's a little Indian Princess!! > > Becky

no I didn't, but we got Posh that way, had something to do with loading one's luggage in a certain place on the vessel. Would love for someone to illuminate me. Carole Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelia Bachelder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: [OKGEN ] Please-someone tell me if this is TRUE or NOT: > Dear Members, > > I realize this topic is slightly off kilter, has nothing to do with our families genealogy [really] but it's a history matter and I wanted to know if anyone else at all knew about this terminology and how it was created? If true, please explain and if not true, how do I prove it? IN other words, where do I go to find the answers for this one? Shipping sources or other? > > Please, forgive the topic, I truly don't know the answer and am grinning from the explanation. I received it from another source mailing list. > Shelia > ------------------------------------------ > In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything was transported by ship. It was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas. > > As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! > > Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them, which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane. > > You probably did not know this true history of the word SHIT. > > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm > >

"I am just trying to educate myself".---We all are. " The only stupid question is one that is not asked"----exactly.......I am always asking questions about a subject, even if I think I already know the answer. "Like I said before, I was told all of this and want to seperate fact from fiction"---and that's what I am trying to help you do, as well as other's (trying to help) Alli :) is no such thing as a Cherokee Princess, that is why I > asked about everything else. Just wanting to educate myself. > > Rebecca

Dear Members, I realize this topic is slightly off kilter, has nothing to do with our families genealogy [really] but it's a history matter and I wanted to know if anyone else at all knew about this terminology and how it was created? If true, please explain and if not true, how do I prove it? IN other words, where do I go to find the answers for this one? Shipping sources or other? Please, forgive the topic, I truly don't know the answer and am grinning from the explanation. I received it from another source mailing list. Shelia ------------------------------------------ In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything was transported by ship. It was also before commercial fertilizer's invention, so large shipments of manure were common. In dry form it weighed a lot less than when wet, but once water (at sea) hit it, it not only became heavier, the process of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is methane gas. As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to build up below decks and the first time someone came below at night with a lantern, BOOOOM! Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it was determined just what was happening. After that, the bundles of manure were always stamped with the term "S.H.I.T" on them, which meant to the sailors to "Ship High In Transit." In other words, high enough off the lower decks so that any water that came into the hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the production of methane. You probably did not know this true history of the word SHIT.

Saw the post mentioning STINNETTs. My great-grandfather's brother (my great-uncle), Jacob GRISSO, married a Martha STINNETT in AR, guess in either Fulton or Baxter County. She was born in ca1854 and died in 1916. Her parents were Rufus and Sarah GOODIN STINNETT. Contact me if there is a connection. I have alot on the GRISSO side. Howard Grisso Medford, OR _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Helen! I don't recall you having YORKs (but then again my memory isn't super) My YORKs came from AL to OK. Never know when there might be a connection. Seems the STINNETT family came with them. The Stinnett's were from Limestone Co. I've been told. Only reason I know of the Stinnett's is from an old picture my paternal grgrandmother had (never met her or my paternal side) Could be coincidence or ???? Guess time will tell. Becky' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen C Davis" <[email protected]> > Hey Girls, > > Don't leave me out. My YORK line lived in Limestone Co., AL. I don't > know if any ended up in OK. > > John YORK married Mary GRAY. Both were born in NC and died in Limestone > Co., AL > > Helen Currie Davis

Well, Rebecca, I beg to differ with that. There is such a thing. I have a granddaughter - and I gaurantee she's a little Indian Princess!! Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > I understand all of that. I am just trying to educate myself. The only stupid > question is one that is not asked. Like I said before, I was told all of this > and want to seperate fact from fiction. > > I know that there is no such thing as a Cherokee Princess, that is why I > asked about everything else. Just wanting to educate myself. > > Rebecca

I understand all of that. I am just trying to educate myself. The only stupid question is one that is not asked. Like I said before, I was told all of this and want to seperate fact from fiction. I know that there is no such thing as a Cherokee Princess, that is why I asked about everything else. Just wanting to educate myself. Rebecca In a message dated 1/15/2003 4:16:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > >I am not asking this because I want to draw anything. Or line my pockets > or > >whatever. > > Rebecca.....I never said or even hinted that was the reason for you > asking.......Didn't even come into my thoughts &I'm a little surprised that > you have thought this. > > I am just trying to get to the facts. > > Nothing wrong w/getting the facts.....that's why I SUGGESTED that you > contact the CNO either via their website or by phone. What better way to > get > the facts then from the horse's mouth? > > was a Cherokee Princess > > No such thing in the Cherokee Tribe. > > > I just asked the question to gain insight not gain financially from being > a > tribal member. > > > >Rebecca > > Again......I never said, stated or hinted that you were asking that > question > to gain anything financially. > > Alli >

When it comes to MisPlaced, lost or brickwall YORK's ... we don't leave anyone out of the question or the mix over research. Do we Rebeccah / Becky YORK?!? Shelia Bachelder :o) [email protected] TRIMBLE, SMITH, HOLDREN, BAKER, LANTZ, SHIMER, McCOY HARBISON, MITCHELL, YORK, VAUGHT, EMERY, HATFIELD, TWEEDLE BACHELDER, AUDET, MERRIMAN, RAYMOND, BELANGER, SIMS, COPELAND

Hey Girls, Don't leave me out. My YORK line lived in Limestone Co., AL. I don't know if any ended up in OK. John YORK married Mary GRAY. Both were born in NC and died in Limestone Co., AL Helen Currie Davis On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 07:05:49 -0800 "Rebecca York" <[email protected]> writes: > That's me. My grandaughter will be 2 on Feb. 16 - already!! > > And yes, I have the Url of York website. > > I've been on this list for a few years now. Just don't say much. > > Becky ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

And also keep in mind that even though his book may have a lot of info. in it. Its also filled w/a lot of mistakes. Its a great resource book to use to start off your search, but its nothing that you can bank on as accurate. Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: [OKGEN ] Re: OKGEN-D Digest V03 #20 > You might want to check out Emmett Starr's books about the Cherokees. They > are available in most libraries. > Pat > > > ==== OKGEN Mailing List ==== > Indian Pioneer Papers > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm >