Bob, I hate to butt in, but somewhere I missed the original post concerning these murders. How or where are you finding information. I'm looking for information regarding a murder in the Happy Corner area, which I understand is not far from where you are talking about. Happened in 1917-20. Any suggestions on where to access information. I'd appreciate any ideas. Thanks Lauri in Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Robert Marden <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 3:18 AM Subject: [OKCREEK-L] murders >Ona, all 3 murders took place in the early 1920's. Bob Marden > > >==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb makes OKGenWeb possible. > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Friends: I know of someone who is searching for a sibling in Oklahoma City. I am wondering if Oklahoma has a county birth register which lists all births on any given date. Any help on this appreciated. Sincerely, Bob Marden

Dear Robert, What state are you speaking of? If it is Oklahoma and Southern Baptist, the address for the offices is 3800 N. May Okc OK 73122. They have a list of pastors who have been licensed with the church in Oklahoma. Cindy Yocum Robert Marden wrote: > Thanks, Marti. Now for a quick question. Is there anyone out there who > is daring enough to work with me in trying to find any hidden files on > the Baptist preacher who vanished into oblivion? There is also the case > of Kenneth Garven Williams who was kidnapped and murdered. Would like > to hear from anyone on this. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/

Kathy, I think you are right. I had their name and address in a notebook which has been mislaid. I don't know if they have a lot of copies or not, but I think you right about it being the Huffs. So, I really appreciate it. Are you in Drumright? Sincerely, Bob Marden Kathy Williams wrote: > Bob, > Would that have been Howard and Eileen Huff? > Regards, > Kathy > > >Friends, to anyone interested. I purchased my books by D. Earl Newsom > >from a wonderful couple in Drumright. I have mislaid their name and > >address. I will try to find them when I am in the area for Memorial > >Day. Do we have have anyone on the list who might know who I am talking > >about? > > Sorry for all the postings. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > >>>>>>> NEW TIME <<<<<<<< > JOIN OKGenWeb IRC Chat - Saturday at 9pm CST > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm

Bob, Would that have been Howard and Eileen Huff? Regards, Kathy >Friends, to anyone interested. I purchased my books by D. Earl Newsom >from a wonderful couple in Drumright. I have mislaid their name and >address. I will try to find them when I am in the area for Memorial >Day. Do we have have anyone on the list who might know who I am talking >about? > Sorry for all the postings. Sincerely, Bob Marden

Friends, to anyone interested. I purchased my books by D. Earl Newsom from a wonderful couple in Drumright. I have mislaid their name and address. I will try to find them when I am in the area for Memorial Day. Do we have have anyone on the list who might know who I am talking about? Sorry for all the postings. Sincerely, Bob Marden

[email protected] wrote: > > Hi Wilma, > Could you post the address for the Sapulpa Public Library on line, so > that those who want to write for information will be able to? Do you > know if the library does lookups for people? Thanks so much. > -- > Alisa in Beautiful British Columbia > [email protected] > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > Oklahoma Vital Records Information - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/vital/vital.html 27 West Dewey, Sapulpa, Ok. 74066

Walker, thanks for the info. I have always used the ancestry.com one, but maybe I can find more on the one you mentioned. Thanks again, Sincerely, Bob Marden WALKER T RUSSELL wrote: > Robert, > > Go to http://www.socialsecurity.gov and you can access the social > security index. This is the Social Security web site. > > Walker Russell > Tucson, AZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Marden <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 12:36 AM > Subject: [OKCREEK-L] SSDI > > > Friends, does anyone out there know where one can access the Social > > Security Death Index other than ancestry.com. I mean free sites. I > > understand there is more than one site to access the SSDI. Apparently, > > the SSDI is not completely accurate. All recorded deaths after 1961 are > > not there. Any help appreciated. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > How to Locate a Town or County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/locatetown.htm

Walker, we have both vols by Newsom on the Drumright-Oilton area. He also has one on Payne Co. which we have. Great books. I am glad you mentioned them. I have been told that there are some unsolved murders in the area in addition to the ones above. Sincerely, Bob Marden

Ona, all 3 murders took place in the early 1920's. Bob Marden

Ona, I guess I really didn't answer your question. Yes, all three cases involved people from Drumright. Bob Marden. The Baptist minister and the little boy were living in Drumright at the time of their murders. I believe the Catholic priest was also, but he was murdered while on a trip. Bob Marden [email protected] wrote: > Did this all happen in Creek Co. Do you know where they were living at the > time. There might be something in one of the News papers. Do you know the > date or some thing near to when it happened. Ona > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > >>>>>>> NEW TIME <<<<<<<< > JOIN OKGenWeb IRC Chat - Saturday at 9pm CST > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm

Ona, if you are referring to the Baptist preacher and Kenneth Williams, evidently all that is available is newspaper files. What I would like to know is if there are, for example, any old police files stored away. I am told people have searched for such files, but nobody has ever found such, if they exist. It would take someone who really likes to dig. The problem is in knowing where to dig. By the way, there was a Catholic priest from Drumright about the same time as the above two people. He had been receiving death threats. He was murdered in Evansville, Ind. while on a trip from Drumright. This case was never solved either. Any ideas appreciated except one advocating dropping the thing. Sincerely, Bob Marden [email protected] wrote: > Did this all happen in Creek Co. Do you know where they were living at the > time. There might be something in one of the News papers. Do you know the > date or some thing near to when it happened. Ona > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > >>>>>>> NEW TIME <<<<<<<< > JOIN OKGenWeb IRC Chat - Saturday at 9pm CST > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm

Bob, The book, DRUMRIGHT! The Glory Days of a Boom Town, by D. Earl Newsom, Evans Publications, Inc., Perkins, OK 74059, copyright 1985, pages 110-112, discusses the missing minister. He was the assistant pastor of the Baptist Church. His clothes were found near where a new bridge was constructed four miles north of Drumright. People think that his body is in the concrete of the bridge. Some people thought that the killer or killers were really looking for the head minister because he had given sermons critical of the Klu Klux Klan. The head minister, Reverend Lackey called Reverend Montelius' disappearance an assassination. Walker Russell [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Marden <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [OKCREEK-L] Oilton > Walter, Nice to hear from you. Pardon the reply button, but had trouble send > email. Drumright is right in there Oilton. My condolences on your brother. > Will be at the Oilton Cemetery and will pay my respects to your brother. Have > you ever heard the story of the Baptist minister who disappeared in 1921? His > name was B. H. Montelius. He was never seen again. Kenneth Garven Williams > was kidnapped and murdered in 1922. His killer was never brought to justice. > Thanks for writing. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > WALKER T RUSSELL wrote: > > > I am not from Oilton, but close by in Drumright. I went to Drumright > > schools. > > > > I have been gone from there since 1962; however, I was in Drumright for the > > funeral of one of my brothers on May 5th. He was buried in the Oilton > > cemetery. > > > > Walker Russell > > Tucson, Arizona > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Marden <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 1:13 AM > > Subject: [OKCREEK-L] Oilton > > > > > Friends: Anyone out there on the net from Oilton? Would love to hear > > > from you. Thanks, Bob Marden > > > > > > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > > > Have you visited the main OKGenWeb page lately? > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/ > > > > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > > How to make OKGenWeb your browser home page - > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/homepage.htm > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > How to make OKGenWeb your browser home page - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/homepage.htm >

I do not find one Helen Thompson on the Dawes Rolls who would not be the right age. Under WILEY, I found Bertha, Worcester, Davis, Nannie, Mouse, Nancy, Annie, Linnie, Theodore R. and Rachel. Any of those sound familiar? There are also several Wiley's in Creek County who are Creek Indian. I don't have the Creek Rolls. If any of the Wiley's above ring a bell, let me know and I'll send you the rest of the info on the Dawes'. Wanda

Thanks to everyone for there contribution on Paden... I'm assuming most of the information I need will be in Drumright City Hall, Sapulpa at the County Courthouse and the OK Historical Society. I'm also on the Okfuskee mailing list, so luckily I haven't lost any ground searching here in Creek County. Besides, this list seems to be more informational than the Okfuskee list is at this time. TO: Ona If you have the time, I would like to find where Jim (or James) Johnson buried. Unfortunately, I don't have his exact birth or death day, but I would say he was born around 1875 and died about 1949, or 1950. He should be buried in one of the cemeteries near Paden. Possibly, next to his wife, Effie Johnson. Thanks once again. Sincerely, Eric Clay Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric C. Johnson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [OKCREEK-L] Paden > Kathy, > > Thanks for the location of Paden. Unfortunately, my Great Grandfather's farm > was five miles Northeast of Paden and said to be in Creek County. In fact, > he leased property there from Creek Nation Subordinate Chief Jackson Night. > > Of course, those county boundaries may have changed since the late 1880s, > but I believe Creek County's boundary was just East of Paden. Do you know > anymore about this??? > > Thanks for anything you can offer. :-) > > Sincerely, > > Eric Clay Johnson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kathy Williams <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:22 AM > Subject: [OKCREEK-L] Paden > > > > Hi, all! According to the USGS, Paden is indeed in Okfuskee Co. The > > population is listed as 379. The county seat is Okemah. Hope this helps. > > > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > > >>>>>>> NEW TIME <<<<<<<< > > JOIN OKGenWeb IRC Chat - Saturday at 9pm CST > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/chat.htm > > > > > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > How to Locate a Town or County > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/locatetown.htm > >

Robert, Go to http://www.socialsecurity.gov and you can access the social security index. This is the Social Security web site. Walker Russell Tucson, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Marden <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 12:36 AM Subject: [OKCREEK-L] SSDI > Friends, does anyone out there know where one can access the Social > Security Death Index other than ancestry.com. I mean free sites. I > understand there is more than one site to access the SSDI. Apparently, > the SSDI is not completely accurate. All recorded deaths after 1961 are > not there. Any help appreciated. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ >

Marti, I may have forgotten to say thanks for the sites. So, thanks. Sincerely, Bob Marden

Thanks, Marti. Now for a quick question. Is there anyone out there who is daring enough to work with me in trying to find any hidden files on the Baptist preacher who vanished into oblivion? There is also the case of Kenneth Garven Williams who was kidnapped and murdered. Would like to hear from anyone on this. Sincerely, Bob Marden

Did this all happen in Creek Co. Do you know where they were living at the time. There might be something in one of the News papers. Do you know the date or some thing near to when it happened. Ona

Bob, This site also points out some of the surname errors found in the SSDI http://www.familydetective.com/ssdierrors.html available online at Ancestry.com - http://www.ancestry.com/ and Family Tree Maker - http://www.familytreemaker.com/ and Sierra http://www.sierra.com/sierrahome/familytree/ssdi/ and Everton's http://emh.everton.com/ssmdi.html and Cyndi's List http://www.cyndislist.com/socsec.htm has several links Robert Marden wrote: > > Friends, does anyone out there know where one can access the Social > Security Death Index other than ancestry.com. I mean free sites. I > understand there is more than one site to access the SSDI. Apparently, > the SSDI is not completely accurate. All recorded deaths after 1961 are > not there. Any help appreciated. Sincerely, Bob Marden > > ==== OKCREEK Mailing List ==== > Have you visited OKBits? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ -- I am an Angel - R U? http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ ____________________________________________ mailto:[email protected] eCode: http://marti.eCode.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"