Posted on: Carter County, Ok Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Ok/Carter/1331 Surname: WILLIAMS, WARNER, GAMEL ------------------------- My father Howard Thomas Williams (Red) recently past away and I am trying to discover who his grandfather was. His father was Hayden Williams born Dec 5, 1900 died Feb/1967 in the Holdenville cemetery. I was able to get a death certificate on Hayden showing his mother as Minnie Gamel. When she died her married name was Minnie Warner. but I was wondering how to proceed to find out who Haydens father(my great grandfather) was. Any ideas? I know that Hayden Williams was born in Ardmore but lived in Holdenville at least through the 40's as I found a in the courthouse a school record with His name as the parent and my dad (Red) and his two sisters Katheryn and Martina listed as attending Holdenville school. At that time Hayden and family lived at 616 West 8th st in Holdenville. I got a list from the Holdenville Cemetery and there are a number of Williams buried there. Some in the right age group that could have been Haydens father. Some of the names are very close to my dads name of Howard Thomas Williams. I found two names that were Thomas H Williams that would have been old enough to have been Haydens father and my Great Grandfather. If you can give any ideas or lead would be so thankful. Or forward to anybody who could. regards, Terry "Harry" Williams email: tlwilliams@kmg.com Phone: 405-270-2417